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    Whatever happens on my browser is client side, which is hardware and software I own. I can make what I own do what I want. It’s a right.

    It’s like Google saying that I can’t skim a magazine in my home, and that I must read the ads. Google can do what they want server-side, and I’ll do what I want client-side.

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      They’re not saying you can’t have an adblocker. They’re saying their software will try not to serve you their data if you do, or at least make it inconvenient.

      You have a right to your computer. You do not have a right to their service.

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          Me after reading the 1st comment: “OK. True. Fair.” Me after reading the 2nd comment: “OK. True. Fair.” Me after reading the 3rd comment: “OK. Also true. Also fair.”

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            Me reading you:

            Fourth gosh darn level of agree

            I’ll never disable my PiHole or turn off ublock tho

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            There was a rabbi arbitrating a dispute between neighbours. One of them complained that the other one gathers apples that fall off his apple tree and into the other neighbour’s garden. “Those are my apples grown on my tree. He’s stealing them!”

            “You’re right,” says the rabbi. But the other neighbour counters.

            “But the branches of the tree are above my property. If he doesn’t want them to fall on my garden, he can cut off the branch. But he lets them fall into my garden making them my apples.”

            “You’re right,” says the rabbi and adjourns the diapute to be able to think about it. He’s at his wit’s end and tells the whole story to his wife when he gets home.

            “That doesn’t make sense. They can’t both be right.”

            “You’re right.”

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        No, you don’t have a right to it. If they want to they can put the entire site being a subscriber paywall. That’s their call. But until they do that i will continue to access the site with my adblocked browser.

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          You do have a right to your computer. After content is delivered to you, you have downloaded data, and your own hardware and software acts to consume said downloaded data. After it is downloaded, even if it is in a browser in a cache, it is considered offline content. This also applies to streaming media chunks, too: once it’s downloaded, you have acquired it locally.

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        They don’t have the right to disregard my right to privacy either, yet here we are.

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        But their software is just blocking based on browser. Their message to you is not “don’t use an ad blocker”. It’s “use chrome and you won’t have this problem”. Theyre literally just hoping to abuse their position as a monopoly in video to try and strengthen their monopoly on browsers.

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          Is that why I haven’t had any problems? I thought it was either Google A/B testing again or my ad blocker updating often enough to keep up, but I do have a user-agent changer installed in Firefox that’s configured to tell YouTube I’m on Chrome…

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      And as a service provider, they can choose to degrade your experience. It goes both ways.

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        Except they want to send you videos. The power is with you, the viewer. Without you, advertisers will have no reason for buying ads. Google can’t collect your data either. Realise that you have this power. Youtube is not like electricity or clean water. We can live without it if push comes to the shove.

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          To be fair, what they want is to make money off of you, be it through metadata or through advertising. It’s just that sending you videos happens to be the model which they use to get the metadata or advertising income.

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            If they wanted to make money off of me then they should have kept the Pixel Pass as a thing so I’d have a reason to have YT premium

            Or make YT premium worth it

            But nah, they’d rather ruin the product I was paying for, so now they get nothing. At least then I’m not paying for it to get worse

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          They don’t want to send us videos, they want to serve us ads and annoy us into buying Youtube Premium, which someone using adblocker won’t see, or need. From their point of view they would win either way - if they successfully block adblockers it either converts us into ad watchers, premium subscribers, or we fuck off and stop using their bandwidth.

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            It’s funny because I pay for premium and have noticed a worse experience since this was revealed. They don’t seem to check if a user has adblock and pays.

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              They don’t seem to check if a user has adblock and pays.

              They definitely seem to have checks in place for it. I have Family Premium and so far no issues at all.

              Edit: to clarify, not a fan of any of this. Just saying it does work for me

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                Well, I don’t pay for premium, and I use an adblocker, and I haven’t had any problems. Not having a problem doesn’t prove anything if they’re only targeting a subset of their users…

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                The article says that this isn’t happening for all users, which indicates that they’re still experimenting with it and haven’t fully rolled it out yet.

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          You have no value to advertisers if they can’t serve you ads. By not doing so, they’ll also cut down on bandwidth costs, so it’s a double positive for them.

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            You have no value to advertisers if they can’t serve you ads. By not doing so, they’ll also cut down on bandwidth costs, so it’s a double positive for them.

            When you take your comment to its logical end though your comment makes no sense, as hence there’s now no one to watch the videos and earn money from them doing so.

            You can’t force someone to consume your content, and if you earn money by people consuming your content, then the power is ultimately with them.

            Plus, all this discussion, we’re assuming that serving ads is the only way that Google can make money off you when watching the videos, which is not true. They can do the same kind of things they do with Gmail and make money from that.

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              this assumption is only correct if EVERYBODY is using as blockers. They aren’t - so it makes sense to cut off the proverbial leeches

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                this assumption is only correct if EVERYBODY is using as blockers. They aren’t - so it makes sense to cut off the proverbial leeches

                That’s why I said logical conclusion.

                My bet would be the vast majority of people (what you call leeches) would eventually use ad blockers, as people in general usually do not like to watch commercials. (Again, speaking in endgame scenarios, AKA ‘logical conclusion’).

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                  “Logical conclusion” does not mean that you suddenly add in an unjustified premise of “all people will endure some amount of hassle to use an ad blocker”.

                  I think the best analogy is Netflix’s password sharing, which not only didn’t hurt them, but actually brought them a lot of subscribers.

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          Umm, ok. You were not making them any money before, when you were blocking their ads, why would they care if you left?

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            Because the big channels will get a significant drop in views which lowers their sponsor pay and willingness to work with them.

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              I think you’re overestimating how many people care enough about this.

              Remember when killing password sharing was gonna be the death of Netflix, and then they saw a significant increase in subscriptions and profits?

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      Client side DRM is coming.

      They’re mostly there on Android already.

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        You forgot to mention it’s also coming to all Chromium based browsers (i.e. Chrome, Edge, Brave, etc) as well in the form of ManifestV3

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          Manifest V3 doesn’t really have the real client side DRM. It just has the ad-blocker breaking API changes. The real DRM will be whatever comes of the abandoned Web Environment Integrity API. (It’s not really abandoned just shifted over to only Android WebView.)

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            Usually Brave already strips away invasive/unfavolrable stuff from Google before releasing. OTOH, browsers with inbuilt adblockers won’t be affected by MV3, as the latter only applyes to extensions. Inbuilt adblockers are part of the browser itself and aren’t constrained by whatever rule Google may want to put in place.

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      You can, but as a part of doing what they want serverside they can ask for some kind of proof you don’t have an adblocker on the server-side, you can reverse engineer that and spoof the checks and it becomes an arms race just like we have now… You’re effectively just saying the status quo is a-ok with you

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        I don’t personally enjoy the status quo, but they’re not obligated to serve me any videos if they don’t want to. However, if they have given me media to consume on my devices, it’s up to me to decide how I consume the media that was already delivered.

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      Let’s just hope they don’t start injecting their ads into the video stream itself

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    Remember when every billionaire apologist was telling us how no one would do shit like this when net neutrality was being gutted?

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      Not just YouTube. Now I have to say I’m not a robot when searching from my phone because I dare use a VPN that’s not theirs.

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        This is because scammers and criminals often use VPNs. They actually should be doing that.

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          Do you know the old saying:
          if privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.

          Just because people might do stuff with things that isn’t intended or even illegal doesn’t mean you should be banning said things.
          Otherwise we’d be in a world where we have no kitchen knives, axes, wrenches, food, money, cars, planes, ships, bikes, hands, feet - you know what I mean?

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          You know what else spammers and criminals often do? Breathe. We need to make that more difficult.

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      I still remember Ajit Pai’s dumbass teeth as he smugly insisted that you’ll still be able to “‘gram’ your food” before covering a Chipotle bowl in a mountain of flaming hot Cheetos and an ocean of Sriracha. And that was one of the least irritating moments of that video. That whole fucking video was basically “you can still waste time with your bread, circuses, and creature comforts, you fucking peasants, now shut up and let the corporations do their thing” while ignoring every legitimate criticism of the decision to gut NN.

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    However bad they may make it, it can’t possibly be worse than it is for non-adblock users.

    But hey, if they want to torpedo their own services, have at it. It’s not like they have a reputation for it or anything…

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        I wonder why they would kill old videos instead of just removing those 10-hour plus loops of the same song over and over again that nobody watches. You’d think those giant loop videos would be taking up far more space.

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          10-hour plus loops of the same song over and over again that nobody watches.

          I tend to fall asleep to one of those videos of being on the beach with ocean sounds, so /shrug.

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            So to combat use cases like this, why not just add a repeat option? There would be no break if it cached the beginning again.

            Also just download the audio you want and loop it yourself. It would take roughly 2 minutes and use way less bandwidth.

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              So to combat use cases like this, why not just add a repeat option? There would be no break if it cached the beginning again.

              The first two minutes are an ad, and having a loud voice talking to you all of a sudden in your bedroom while you are asleep tends to wake you up.

              Also just download the audio you want and loop it yourself. It would take roughly 2 minutes and use way less bandwidth.

              With compression techniques being as they are today, I truly don’t even worry about the bandwidth.

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                But manually looping any part of it inside the video which you can do past the first 2 minutes would still not be an ad. Also, who doesn’t use an ad blocker on YouTube? All of those problems that you listed have incredibly easy solutions that you can execute with zero training.

                And realistically if they are looking for profit (and they absolutely are) I still see no reason why they would keep these up. The benefits are absolutely minimal at best and the drawbacks are quite large.

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                  But manually looping any part of it inside the video which you can do past the first 2 minutes would still not be an ad. Also, who doesn’t use an ad blocker on YouTube?

                  My YouTube app on my phone, which doesn’t have an ad blocker. And as far as I know, there’s no way to restart a video at a certain timestamp, it just restarts from the very beginning. I’d be glad to hear otherwise though?

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              10-hour plus loops of the same song over and over again that nobody watches.

              I tend to fall asleep to one of those videos of being on the beach with ocean sounds, so /shrug.

              Not the same as 10hr nyan cat or bacon pancakes

              Definately not the same. Also, what “nobody watches” is in the eye of the beholder.

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      About a week ago YouTube rolled out a new interface for ads. I cannot skip 90% of ads now. Many are around a minute in length. Always 2 ads at the beginning of every video, even if it’s only 10 seconds in length. Always 2 ads at the end of every video.

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    Well that’s only fair.

    It already made it worse for non-adblock users.

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    I don’t know why they think this change is going to get anyone to switch.

    5 seconds of nothing is still way better than a minute-long ad

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      They want to sell their Premium subscription. They want you to compare 5 seconds of nothing versus “0” seconds of nothing. That being said, I think uBlock Origin with up-to-date filter lists completely eliminated this delay for me.

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        At work, we can’t log into personal accounts. And my job isn’t going to buy YouTube premium. So now any video tutorials on YouTube is getting impossible to watch.

        This has now triggered a bunch of lazy developers into action in my entire company. Even our internal newsletters are explaining how to use adblock.

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        I haven’t seen any issues or ads on Youtube across all devices, except my LG tv. I don’t doubt they’re being scummy but the workarounds are working.

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          I use https://github.com/webosbrew/youtube-webos on my LG TV, to watch without ads. I have to sideload it via the CLI tools, but it works. Sometimes I have to reinstall it (I suppose some TV update screws up), but for my partner watching without ads is worth the random sporadic breakage.

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              The procedure to install is very easy, you can also always uninstall it and reinstall the official one, I don’t think it’s irreversible in any way. Note that I am talking about side loading using developer mode. Rooting the TV via an exploit can brick your TV instead.

              Edit: The procedure is basically described in https://webostv.developer.lge.com/develop/getting-started/developer-mode-app.

              I realize I said very simple, but I guess it depends on your familiarity with tech and command line tools.

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                I have no problem trying it, I just didn’t want to brick it is all. I am tech literate but it wouldn’t be in my hobbies so I don’t have much in the way of skillset. Anything I’ve done has been with step by step and tools 😂

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                  Oh no, I get it, I was quite scared the first time I messed with it, and I cursed LG plenty for not letting me install safely what I want on my own TV. I found this technique to be quite safe though. You basically uninstall the official YouTube app, then do the loading and you can always remove the app and reinstall the official one.

                  I hope I didn’t sound condescending, I just realized that I had been a bit too quick labeling something easy, while I understand that for some other person reading, using a CLI tool is in itself a new thing. Good luck :)

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        uBlock Origin

        I still worry that google is going to declare ad blockers against their TOS and shut down my gdrive and 20 year old gmail. I’m trying to move away from alphabet shit but it’s not so easy with such a long history. To that end I haven’t even once used yt except not logged in on a FF private window with ublock since they started pulling this shit.

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          I recently created another google account for youtube just in case. Was a huge pain to transfer over all my subscriptions but worth it for not having to worry.

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          Changing mail providers isn’t easy when you use their domain endings as you’ll probably have to update a bunch of accounts to use a new mail address. For the future, use email providers that allow to use your own domain(s), switching providers is a lot easier then. You can export mails from Gmail with ease though, as long as they provide IMAP you can simply sync your complete mailbox and you could even upload all of it to your new email provider.

          And Google Drive…simply transfer all your files to somewhere else and done.

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        They can try selling me their Premium subscription again when they start suggesting more than one or two videos (if that) on their homepage that actually interest me.

        Not that I’ll ever pay for it, anyway. But get me something that I’ll actually click on to get served ads before trying to sell me something to get rid of them.

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      5 seconds of nothing

      It’s an eternity of nothing for me now so yeah I switched. To invidious.

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    Fuck Google and YouTube, but the title is misleading, and it’s an article from three weeks ago. I’m quite surprised that this post is so upvoted, and nobody else flagged this before.

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      Genuine question (because I’m looking too): without YouTube, where would you go to watch all the diverse videos they host? It’s a really difficult business model. Look at how expensive Floatplane is to the user. Luke and Linus have talked about how difficult it is to run on WAN Show, too: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1mZrsunukUA

      A fediverse platform would almost definitely be a worse experience in terms of speed and video quality because residential internet (at least in the majority of the US) just doesn’t have the upload to support multiple HD video streams. Therefore, it’s not really possible to host at home; a basic server at Hetzner could probably do a dozen or two direct streams with no conversion, but storage is kind of expensive just because there’s so much content, and then there’s the need for moderation, high uptime, security, “good” UX design…

      Then of course on top of all that when you don’t have creators getting paid by ad revenue, fewer will be able to spend the time on production quality because they’ll be doing it after work, so the length and/or quality suffers.

      I dunno dude, I really hope someone smarter than me has figured this out, but it’s a tough problem.

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        You are correct. Fundamentally, it’s the hosting and storage issue that’s the crux of all this.

        And the only choices available are another corporation hosting and paying/passing on the cost, or all of us hosting on a peer-to-peer network, which will be slow, but doable.

        Having said that, the peer hosting method would work though, and shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand. We just shouldn’t expect the same level of service we do from YouTube or any corporation hosting videos.

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          I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video.
          You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding.

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            I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding.

            It would definately be a slog to watch, vs a service that can just deliver the video to you in real time on demand.

            My only point is that you would be able to watch the video, after the slog, so that avenue should not be discounted as an option. Its not a great option, but still, an option.

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      I just read the article and I don’t see how it’s misleading. Google introduced a delay before video starts for adblock users

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      Interesting, it came up in news feeds on other sites. I’ll check more in the future, that’s the first time I’ve had that happen.

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      I wonder if there are bot farms for Lemmy/Fediverse… There must be

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      By doing that you’re wasting bandwidth on all the CDNs that hosts ALL your filter lists. Updating the Quick fixes list should be enough. (Which updates every 5 hours automatically on uBO 1.54).

      How to manually update Quick Fixes (Manual updates push back automatic updates.)

      • Click 🛡️ uBO’s icon
      • the ⚙ Dashboard button
      • the Filter lists pane
      • the 🕘 clock icon next to the uBlock filters – Quick fixes list
      • the 🔃 Update now button.
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        mate, that won’t even scratch a single server’s bandwidth, much less that of a CDN.

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          @Frellwit@lemmy.world is right, the following FAQ is from the uBO’s YouTube Mega Thread on reddit.

          How often should I manually update filter lists? Can I somehow automate this?

          YouTube filters are in a list named uBlock filters - Quick fixes. The list updates every 12 hours. It’s the only list you might need to update - only if this page says it’s fixed, but you’re getting the message.

          If you’re not getting detected. Don’t update. Current estimated cost for just ONE of uBO’s CDNs: HERE. This is with other lists updating every few days. uBO’s not a company, it’s a volunteer project using free services, which have limits that we cannot cross.

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      Yeah, however “worse” it is for adblock users, it can’t compare to how awful the ads are.

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      Exactly. I’ve spent 15 seconds of my life overcoming this three times. Click, click, click.

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        You’d be surprised how sensitive normies are regarding 3 additional clicks.
        For us tech literate folks it’s a regular sunday but they are literally raging internally if they need another 5 clicks more than usual.

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      Something I didn’t even realize I wanted was to not have some eyeball-pulling algorithm recommending things to me. It’s lovely.

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          Now if only Piped wouldn’t error out and be unusable for 10 minutes at a time every couple hours…

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              I have been trying to figure out why since I started using it… searches spin forever, videos spin forever, some videos just spit “Error 1003” immediately, and then they become accessible 10 minutes later. I even tried filing an issue to no avail. I may end up looking for other alternatives.

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        That’s why I’ve been using YouTube without logging in and if using in browser, I have the cookies autodelete after I close the page to start new each time.

        It never really recommended me what I wanted anyway. I guess the algorithm doesn’t work on me.

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      I moved over to new pipe. No more algorithm on regular basis. I have the 20 or so people that I want to see. If one of my existing 20 people recommend somebody else, I’ll go check them out.

      Between getting rid of reddit algorithm and YouTube’s algorithm I’m clawing back huge swaths of time.

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          Saves them money because they aren’t delivering content for free

          And the remaining population won’t raise the issue when they add more

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    As a premium subscriber, it’s definitely gotten worse for me over the last month. Whatever they’re doing on the back end, it’s pretty terrible.

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      I’m not sure what the hell is going on at YouTube but I’ve noticed a significant drop in decent videos being recommended, and a huge uptick in videos I’ve already seen showing up at the front of the feed. Probs gonna drop it when the price picks up and just go to nebula.

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        Honestly: I’d rather pay for YT and pirate Netflix.
        The amount of Entertainment I get from YT exceeds the scale of Netflix and I use it daily at 2-3h per day.

        And while yes, it’s free, I can also support the creators with a better click price than a regular click.
        Is it a better solution then the respective patreon/whatever? Nope
        Do I want to pay 5€/month or video each time? Fuck no. I am not king Midas.

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          Yup, that’s how I see it too. I don’t like seeing ads, the creators do at least get more money, and the actual value I get out of YouTube is pretty high

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          Not to mention not every creator will have a patreon anyway so this covers that scenario as well.

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        There’s a ton of educational content only on YT and so it’s a part of our homeschool curriculum. My kids were getting a lot of super inappropriate ads a while back, so I got premium to avoid all ads.

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          Stockholm syndrome was made up to cover for police incompetence

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              Here’s a springboard article, if you want to do your own research.

              https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-the-myth-of-stockholm-syndrome-came-from-a-media-driven-hostage-spectacle-ld.1752897

              The woman, based on whom the term was coined (the psychiatrist never even talked to her) wrote an autobiography “I became Stockholm Syndrome”.

              There’s also the works of Allan Wade, a Canadian psychologist, who has talked to the victims throughout his career.

              Basically when you’re at the whims of an armed lunatic, you might cozy up to them in order to appease them. The victims were also really afraid of the police coming in and shooting them. Which is pretty justified, considering the police couldn’t even identify the perpetrator before conceding on his demands and bringing in his prison buddy.

              The guy with a gun, whom they’ve been talking to for days and has not hurt them in the slightest looked much less dangerous than the impending doom of the police barging in and shooting the wrong person.

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    WHAT?! I didn’t believe it for a second when the whole planet immediately noticed at the same time!

    But then again, they DID admit it. Which means they have nothing to hide! And that’s transparent, and bold. We should reward companies for doing the right thing. Not only criticize them when they didn’t do wrong!

    Tinkle Fingerent!

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          How’s that different from purchasing YouTube Premium?

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              was an obvious attempt at humour

              One thing I’ve learned from my time here on Lemmy, never assume anything when you’re replying, be explicit, even bordering on legalese, when discussing with someone else here.

              People and conflict bots will nitpick the fact of things not said and use it against you.

              At the very least conclude your subtle joke comment with a “/s”, the universal signal for “please don’t yell at me, I was just joking around”.

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                Is lemmy your first social media ever to use? Random people on the Internet don’t get jokes or even worse, they intentionally ignore it

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                  Is lemmy your first social media ever to use?

                  The level of true insightfulness of your reply comment is so incredibly powerful and accurate (and wise!), that its hardly readable by a normal human being. /s

                  Random people on the Internet don’t get jokes or even worse, they intentionally ignore it

                  Well, its random, so that means some do ignore them, and others do not. /shrug

                  (Just being playful, but in the future, you may want to click on a user’s name and see their posting history, before declaring them a novice of forums.)