The special efx haven’t gotten more expensive, cameras haven’t risen in price, writers don’t seem to be demanding particular high prices, netflix takes anything that you can pitch without saying the word disney.

So what in the world happened? X-files was an amazing show and watching it you are not only entertained but you care about mulder and scully. The show is genuinely a great time. Why did they stop making them like this?

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    There’s been plenty good shows since X files came out, maybe it’s more of a problem that you’re in a different head space than you were and not as open to like new shows anymore. Happens to me with video games, I keep going back to the ones I played in my early twenties when I had more time over the summer to invest into games. Now I have much less time to start a new game and get over the boring introductory bits before getting to the good parts.

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    I’m in the middle of rewatching X-Files yet again. It’s really hit and miss, even in the good seasons. I think people remember all the good episodes and forget about the bad and average ones.

    You looking for a new X-Files type show? I can’t think of any good ones but I don’t really look for that type of show anymore either.

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      Not neccessarily x-files related, just of the same quality and make. Something that is as entertaining as watching xfiles.

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        I’ve never seen x-files, but it does get brought up a lot in conversation about Fringe (one of my favorites). Fringe starts off as {insert scifi thing} of the week, and then the plot starts to develop later. I recommend giving it a shot.

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    But they still make good shows? I don’t understand your point? There were plenty of mediocre and bad episodes of xfiles. Are you just talking like low sci-fi? Also how old are you - depending on your age - xfiles may have just played a big role in shaping you, so it will be hard for you to find anything that tops xfiles. Like for example - no game has ever grabbed me as hard as Earthbound - there have been so many good games that have come out, but nothing tops Earthbound for me. So i think it would help if you didn’t compare other shows and media to xfiles and try to find something that makes each of those shows worthwhile in their own way - plus, would you really want another xfiles?

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        Twilight Zone is a show that still holds up well. It covered topics like racism very well. Rod di a great job.

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        For example, Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are two series I could watch on repeat. Absolutely solid.

        First few seasons of Orange is the New Black (really ran out of steam after that imo)

        Now, sci-fi specifically … it’s been a while since I’ve seen a good one. Some people I know really, really like The Expanse, though for me it just didn’t connect. Black Mirror is hit and miss, but when it hits, it’s amazing (the stinker episodes are real stinkers though).

        I mean … Game of Thrones. Just not the finale lol

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          The Expanse

          Funny, this is another one of those shows I hated after watching an episode.

          maybe it’s me. maybe I should move on to maybe comics or cartoons or something idk anymore

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            The expanse starts with very little background in my opinion, they barely give you enough info to figure out what is going on.

            I’d recommend trying to stick out a few more episodes if you like sci fi, it gets really good.

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              I’ve also only watched a few episodes, but I hated every single character. Does that get better?

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            The Expanse spent the first three episodes setting things up; it got much better after that, although eventually it stopped being as good to me; kind of like Battlestar Galactica in the day.

            Give The Expanse another try; it does truly get good before it gets derivative in later seasons.

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            You have to give The Expanse a chance. I had no idea what was going on for most of the first season, but I really enjoyed the world-building and character development. It pays off later.

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            S1 is good, though a bit rough imo. Later seasons (after Bezos bought the rights, said “finish the story”, and threw money at it to make it happen) do have a much more polished feel. Overall, I found it to be a very good adaptation of the source material.

            The books are excellent - can’t recommend them enough.

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          I tried Breaking Bad - hated it. I never gave Better Call Saul a chance as there is nothing that seemed promising about it. I guess I could watch an episode of Better Call Saul, I just don’t see this being a good idea. Now I can’t hate it because I never watched, it once I watch an entire episode, I have a hunch I won’t remain so indifferent… :/

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            It might not be your thing, and that’s okay.

            Like I said, I’m surrounded by people who love The Expanse, yet it just isn’t my thing.

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              yeah it’s the worst when you hate something and society insists it’s the best thing since sliced bread…

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                Ok then… can you explain (in detail prferably) what got you hooked oh X-Files, the things you live about the show?

                I like it too, but saying Breaking Bad is a bad show, just… IDK… doesn’t sit right with me. And I don’t watch just any show, I’ve probably watched like 5 or 6 in my entire life (I’m 38 BTW).

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          edit2: I hate HATE HATE game of thrones with a passion, I gave it a shot twice! (2x) What’s worse is the entirety of society gaslighting you into it not being an awful show.

          Admit got is no-where near as good a time as x-files. I just watched a humanoid leech escaping through a system of sewers. I witnessed alien abductions. Intrigue within the fbi. Secret allies, even more secret conspirators and classified government units on even more classified government missions.

          got is like a bad off brand xenia warrior princess…

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            got is like a bad off brand xenia warrior princess…

            It has nothing in common with Xena other than being in the fantasy genre.

            You may not like GOT, but that doesn’t make it awful.

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            Things like good an awful are subjective, so yeah. Sometimes I feel like a lot of people insist something is good based on their own connection to the media, but nothing is really objectively good or bad.

            People warned me against playing Final Fantasy 15, the critics trashed it, yet it’s one of my favorite games in the franchise.

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                There are 16 actually, and that’s only including the mainline games.

                Each game is standalone, but shares certain attributes. Think similar to the Legend of Zelda series.

                For me, 15 was just a great escape. I often call it my “bro roadtrip simulator” because it’s a lot of driving around an open world and getting to know the characters.

                The last segment was rushed in development, and it shows, but for me it works because by the time I enter that segment, it’s because I’m ready to be done.

                I’ve played through it 3 times.

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        Firefly. Watch the one season before the Movie. Then there are 8 novels now and comics by both Dark Horse & BOOM! Much disagreement about BOOM!'s but they got canceled too. It’s at least critical to read up on Wash’s family history and more, I think, but whatever.

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            You like it enough, gimmie a buzz and we’ll set up signal and video chat you into participating the original board game.

            Here in a couple months or so I’ll be excited to do exactly that as the decade celebration of the original publish of the game has been conducted to issue an upgrade with minor extension elements, a make on quality parts for the game, and some extra things like options for player ships and whatnot.

            Then there’s Firefly: Adventures which is a co-op game I got a friend who is excited to learn and play as I am seeing as we haven’t gotten to do so successfully yet. I have all the extensions and all that for everything too.

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    I’m going to interpret the question more as "why don’t they make shows like “The X-Files” any more than on specific quality.

    The 90’s was the last hurrah of quality serialized television. You were seeing a lot of improvements in the quality of writing and willingness to push against norms and standards. You could still make a shallow serialized series and they still do today, but you could make a show back then with a lore tied together from callbacks.

    So why did these kinds of shows stop? DVD sets and ubiquitous time-skipping technology meant that writers could shift from good serialized content to longer form and continuous stories. You started seeing shows filled with “previously on…” because it became the expectation that viewers watched all the episodes up to then. Streaming make it the default.

    There has been a recent push to go back to a serialized model, but the economics of the industry has changed. Writers rooms able to churn out 26 shows a year have been whittled away. You also have some actors that don’t want the work schedule that comes with it. You also had a time where a show that lasted a year found it easier stay on air to get to the 100 episode minimum to make syndication valuable; there isn’t that profit motive any more.

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    Have you seen Fringe? It’s a tv show from about a decade ago, very similar vibe to the X-files.

    If you don’t like that and combined with all the other stuff in this thread, then I think you might just not like TV as a medium anymore.

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      Fringe ended weird though. I chalk it up to JJ Abrams getting bored (yet again) with his wildly successful project and letting it sputter to an end instead of letting it go out with a bang.

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        I watched Fringe when it came out and loved it but for whatever reason never saw the final season. Last year I finally went back and finished it. I will concede the ending was a bit rushed but also I’m grateful it did get an ending. A lot of great shows get axed and don’t get to wrap up anything. So while not perfect, I’m going to say it was decent enough and does wrap everything up.

        It’s a great ride along the way too.

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    Shows like that are still happening.

    The real issue is that instead of 5-15 channels, there are dozens-hundreds, plus a dozen streaming service, and intellectual property is constantly pinging back and forth between them all.

    No media has a reliable “home” you can consistently access it from. And when it does you still run into the discoverability issue. So many shows are made that you can’t reasonably scroll through all of them, so personal recommendations and algorithms ultimately dictate what we find.

    If you want unusual and stand-out sci-fi then I’d recommend Twin Peaks: The Return, assuming you’ve seen Twin Peaks.

    Also the show “Dark” on Netflix is incredible.

    I still have a cue of newer stuff I haven’t gotten to because there’s so much to try.

    I think what we’ve really lost is the social element. When FAR fewer things were on, and everyone had to “tune in” to see new episodes, it meant a ton more people would be watching the same thing at the same time.

    Now the default has become everything on demand, and released in full seasons at a time. “Dark” is actually from several years ago, but became big in the US just a few years ago, and I just found it last year.

    The viewing and Fandom experiences are just more fragmented and scattered now.

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    They still make amazing shows, it’s just a matter of taste and preference.

    You can try Fringe, it’s obviously inspired by X-Files. I even prefer Fringe but I don’t think it’s a popular opinion.

    There’s also From, it’s like the only mystery horror TV show that gets horror right in a series setting. It gave me some similar vibes though it’s a very different show.

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      Updoots for Fringe. Season 1 is very monster of the week but it’s laying groundwork for everything that’s coming. It’s a fun ride all the way through and it got a decent conclusion. Watch it if you haven’t already.

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    OP, are you sure you’re not conflating the X-Files being your favorite show with it being good? Because Breaking Bad exists and that came out after X-Files. Also is arguably better than the X-Files lol

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      I hate breaking bad. Take that for what it’s worth. I hate it even more after people recommended it to me specifically praising how good of a show it was.

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        Fair enough - everybody’s tastes are different. Fwiw I didn’t really enjoy the X-Files that much when I watched it, but I have heard the same thing that it’s a really good show.

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    there have been good shows since but ill admit there is a lot of crap to wade through as the various media streams pump out anything they can.

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    I’d just like to point out that the Stone Angels episode of Doctor Who came out after X-Files.

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    I think a lot of shows are AWESOME, but then late-stage capitalistic enshittification happens and they become… far less so, and often quite TERRIBLE even, though ostensibly still have the same title, even though nowhere near being an identical show.

    One super-good example is Stranger Things, where the first season was really quite good! So many homages to nerd culture like E.T. and D&D - it was fantastic!:-) As I read though, the pair of creators had 2 rules: never use CGI, and absolutely do not “sell out”, i.e. a story should want to be told, not sold merely for the sake of cash. So after the first season where they made it b/c of their love for the craft, you can guess how the subsequent seasons played out (I believe one of the pair even quit over it).

    Arguably a better example is The Walking Dead - it started off REALLY good, but then… well… it too “sold out”. Actually I keep trying to force myself to get through it, I even started watching it over again from the start (a couple times now) thinking that would help, but have yet to accomplish this feat.

    Another is Designated Survivor. It had some big-name actors, most of whom quit (I think the show was sold to a different network… or something?), and the last season was just terrible, limping along before they finally put it out of its misery and ended it.

    The really fantastic shows - like Star Trek - had to prove themselves, then the creators were given leeway to subsequently make great sequels and spin-offs and even entirely unrelated titles. Fun story: Gene Roddenberry even created shows after his death, as his wife took his unfinished notes and lead their creation under his vision, like Earth: Final Conflict.

    TLDR: why offer you a good show when they can offer you a crappy show that they made for a tenth of the price, yet charge you the full amount?

    (though stupidly enough, they also seem to be trying to offer us even more terrible shows that cost 50x the price to make, and yet somehow suck all the more for that!? anyway it all seems to be based on greed + arrogance - they want to make money, but they do not want to put in the effort to actually earn it, e.g. by paying the actors a decent wage)

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    Less money in tv nowadays, the whole medium is dying. Plus they figured out they don’t need to put in nearly as much effort for reality tv stuff. Streaming wars might have been able to drive quality stuff, but most places did a scatter shot approach instead.

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      xfiles, star trek (kirk, picard), twilight zone from the 1960s, twin peaks (first season), honey mooners, I did like the first season of true detective with mathew maccaughnahey and woody harrelson. I watched the first season of apple invasion before giving up after season 2 started (I just couldn’t do it anymore). I am a big fan of broad city though, a show that is very underrated, also workaholics was fun.

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        Reading through all your comments, you have tastes like my dad. He didnt like thrones or breaking bad, but he does like the expanse.

        I’m gonna throw some things out here for you.

        Mighty Boosh (comedy)

        Lexx (absurd sci-fi)

        Voyager (give it another shot you might like it this time)

        Severance (low sci-fi)

        Barry (dramedy)

        Faulty Towers (comedy)

        Farscape (sci-fi)

        The OA (if you watch this, you need to just Believe everything you are being told, question nothing and accept it)

        Dark

        American Crime Story (season 1 and 2)