The planet’s average temperature hit 17.23 degrees Celsius on Thursday, surpassing the 17.18C record set on Tuesday and equalled on Wednesday.
I think it’s important to note that this also coincides with the start of what’s predicted to be a super El Nino (we’ve had a couple of those already). If the model holds true then 2024 will be even hotter than this year, and (again, if the model predictions are right) will shatter all previous records. Then come 2025 or 2026 average temperatures will settle down a bit.
The issue isn’t the seasonal or even the yearly hottest temps. It’s the overall trend that’s a concern (which is what the article is talking about), which are trending up.
Not sure if any of that made sense.
Makes sense, but the idea of a “super” El Nino is a symptom of the same problem. Super implies unusual or abnormal, and it’s only getting worse.
Well yes, the super El Nino’s are part of climate change. They are getting worse each time. All I was saying is that it’s not a straight year over year increase. It comes in waves or heaves in a periodic manner.
right so considering we’ve been seeing alarming loss of ice mass over the last couple of years and we know that has an exponential effect on climate change. We already hit the tipping point just most people didn’t realize it.
Ya probably. I’m still hoping that there’s some global mechanism that we don’t understand yet that will limit or reign in the effects. But that’s just wishful thinking.
Of course there is a limit. The question is how high it is. For instance, at high enough CO2 concentrations, the greenhouse effect doesn’t get much stronger anymore. Also, the more CO2, the faster it dissapears by eroding rocks. That happens on a geological timescale, though.
If we did something to lower temperature, I’d be very worried about the CO2 concentration’s other effect: feeling like suffocating all the time.
The problem is when the temps come back down, climate deniers will go “WhAt HaPpEnEd?”.
I used to worry about this a lot, I still do but I used to too.
Joking aside, it’s a shit show that us plebians can’t really do anything about but I still try. I’ve driven a hybrid for the last 6 years, I have a smart thermostat to try to save energy, I try to eat less meat more often. I recycle a lot more than most. I even make my own bread and nut milks and many other things which is not only cheaper and healthier (and WAY more delicious) but requires less transport related greenhouse gas emissions than buying premade breads and nut milks. Nut milk is especially better than dairy milk in that matter.
Oh yeah! And yesterday I picked up 10 large trash bags of litter:
Bro you’re doing more than most of us, thank you.
But yeah, our carbon footprint is minuscule in comparison to corporate footprints. We need them to fucking play ball.
What’s more profitable: Exceptional profits for 30 years until civilization collapses, or sustainable profits forever?
All I could think about when reading this post is corporate footprints. It’s great for us to all do our part, but sadly the corporations not doing their part is screwing everybody. We need more regulations on them, idc what product they’re making or how much profit they’d like or even how many people whine about not receiving that product it needs to stop.
Honestly, corporate footprints is all that needs to be thought about when thinking about climate change.
The shifting of blame to the individual or even putting it on the individual to “help” is avoiding the real issue. And even if individuals are contributing, which I acknowledge they are but at a much lower rate of impact, then probably the best way to change individual consumption/waste is once again by abolishing capitalism which guides the production of the material reality utilized to create such individual waste in the first place.
Sure, but it’s our fault too, at least in part - we’re the one’s buying the stuff that the corporations produce. Of course some of it is due to there not being any alternatives (for example decent public transport so you don’t have to own a car) but some of it is also because we actively choose cheaper products, buy new things instead of second-hand and so on.
What we need (which we all seem to agree on) is more regulations so that corporations have to their part and then the individuals simply won’t have the option to choose the more polluting product.
Corporate footprints are done on our behalf, in order to manufacture the goods and services we buy.
The real problem is that “vote with your dollars” fundamentally doesn’t work because human nature is selfish and short-sighted, so regulation is necessary.
Amazing work! I would also like to note that the biggest contributors to the problem are corporations. Individuals couldn’t out pollute corporations if they tried.
btw note that the carbon footprint of one person’s lifetime is equiv to 1 second of worldwide factory emissions (source: kurzgesagt), so it’s not a necessity to do some of the things you’re doing, but i would recommend that everyone in the world do some farming, even if it’s a small garden of radishes or smth, or tomatoes on a windowsill
also this is only tangentially related, but i still drink cow milk, because: -A it tastes good
-B I am allergic to all nut milks
-C soy milk sounds like crap, soy is already in basically everything (rip the few people who are allergic to it), so i wouldn’t want to consume more of it
btw note that the carbon footprint of one person’s lifetime is equiv to 1 second of worldwide factory emissions (source: kurzgesagt)
I love kurzgesagt but this comparison is… it’s like two abstractions multiplied.
What a chad you are
“sooner than expected”, “tipping point”, “nonbinding resolution”, “climate scientists warn”
Everything is fine…
Nothing to see here!
My local oil exec said that it’s fine.
I feel like one sad thing is you could go back ten or twenty years and it was the exact same and it not much has really changed. The same warnings that everybody has seen but nothing has really come of it. The same almost pointless resolutions that almost no country sticks to. We have more wind turbines and a few electric cars, but mostly it’s the same non-action as before.
I remember reading a geography textbook at school twenty years ago and it was warning of climate change but here I am two decades later and everything is basically heading in the same terrifying direction as it was then.
A toast to everyone in this thread that decided to not have kids! 🥂
a toast to everyone in this thread that will be burnt to toast because unchecked greed and capitalism.
Hear hear!
Yeah, it’s great to know we’ll die off!
I mean, it’s also great that we’re not leaving behind offspring to have progressively poorer lives until it’s just Event Horizon: Earth.
If we all had this point of view, that’d be the end of us.
The consequences of inaction in the late 20th and early 21st centuries will be the end of us. 😀 To hope otherwise or lament over is just wasting time. Enjoy life before it gets worse!
That’s a rather pessimistic view. Yes, it will be hard as fuck. Yes, unfortunately it will be the end of some us. But I think we as a race will prevail and I don’t think simply giving up right now is an option.
I thought that too until I learned about what could happen if ocean acidification gets a lot worse.
I do agree the human race will prevail, but honestly I just wish we didn’t. like wtf just look around us and all the shit we caused.
I will never create and subject a human being to the world our negligence has created.
About 15 years ago I was going somewhere with my family. Stepmom and I were talking about Climate Change then, how if things didn’t change that massive starvation was likely, that crazed weather would be irreversible, etc. and she noticed that my 10 year old niece’s eyes were getting huge. She was genuinely disturbed by the conversation and began to say is this really going to happen? Before I could plainly reply my stepmom reassured her that no, things were going to be fine, and we changed the subject.
Niece is in mid twenties now and subject to the reality of the situation as it slowly unfolds, like an asteroid headed toward the earth at 5 mph. The future is dreadful to her.
that’s one of the biggest reasons for my decision not to
I’m never having kids. Had things been easier, maybe I would’ve had kids but it’s hard enough to look out for myself as it is and having kids anyway like many people do is the worst move I could possibly make. Not having kids will have consequences against the absolute tyrants in charge of it all some day. Not having kids in protest to the system (or at least until things improve for the common person) is just doing your patriotic duty at this point.
As a side benefit, I also have all the money and free time to spend with furry children instead!
Ditto. Not that I’d have the opportunity, but decided I’d only adopt if I desired to raise a child.
That’s a good call! If I ever get the hankering to have kids I’ll just do that. We do that with dogs (rescue), why not humans?
Exponentially increasing heat is when toddlers amirite
(also you should still adopt kids)
Reminds me of a story I read about how if you had a can of food and bacteria got into it, and every day the bacteria doubled in size, and somehow this bacteria had conversations with itself with all of the other bacterias in the can about how long the food would last.
How long would it be before everything ran out?
At some point, the smart bacteria would stand up and say, “Hey, my fellow Amoebas, we’ve used 1/4 of all of the food in the can! If we’re not careful and if we don’t manage our resources we will run out of food!”
And the politician bacteria would say, “Don’t worry, everyone, we have 3 times as much food as we’ve ever used in all the months of our existence still in the can!”
And the bacteria was fruitful, and multiplied.
And when they hit the halfway mark the next day, the smart bacteria would stand up and say, “Hey my fellow Amoebas, we’ve used half of all of the food in the can! If we’re not careful and if we don’t manage our resources we will run out of food!”
And the bacteria politicians would say, “Everyone! Don’t worry! We still have as much food left as we have used in our entire existence to this point!”
And the bacteria was fruitful, and multiplied.
And then another day passed, and all of the bacteria died.
There’s also a good example of exponential change described using a doubling drop of water in The Power of Compounding
Meh.
It’s doubling each step.
If course it’s at
1/(2^n)of the final volume atnsteps before the final step.- At half of its final volume one step before the end
- a quarter of its final volume two steps before the end
- an eighth of its final volume three steps before the end
- a sixteenth of it’s final volume four steps before the end
Mathematically it’s obvious and straightforward but the point is that it’s not intuitive from a typical person’s subjective perspective. It’s easy to underestimate or dismiss the rate of change until a situation becomes unmanageable.
This summer is the coolest summer you’ll experience in the rest of your life.
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Yeah, I have the windows open right now and yesterday I wore a sweatshirt. Its usually 110+ right now.
so basically, the distribution of heat is less even than before
It’s more that climate is the long-term average, while weather is the variation around the average. So while there is an trend in the average temperature, the variation means that there will still be hotter and cooler periods.
Yes. The average temperature of the globe is higher, but global warming is not applied evenly and the chaos caused to global weather currents does actually cause some regions to get colder.
On average, it will be.
Just happened in the north of Spain.
Nah, that’ll be 2026-2027 some time. The overall trend takes a decade or so to exceed the smaller scale ~3yr oscillations.
Graphic of ice cover for the Antarctic is truly terrifying
Source of source: https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
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Source please! It’s super pixilated.
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…and decreasing the utilisation of their coal fleet to the point where their coal consumption for electricity is flat and set to start decreasing next year.
And their renewable energy share is higher than the US (and most of the world) and increasing faster.
Stop whatabouting and fix your own shit.
Stop whatabouting and fix your own shit.
Seems hard, no thanks.
China’s also building a lot of nuclear plants and what they claim will be the biggest nuclear plant in the world.
Not that it negates building coal plants, but it’s not a simple issue. They’re growing faster than the energy industry can keep up with.
And like others have said, the rest of the world is at fault too. Germany shut down all of its nuclear plants, which forced them to go heavy into coal. And not just any coal, but lignite which is considered the dirtiest of all types of coal.
Germany in particular pisses me off so much. No country bought into the fear mongering about nuclear energy after Fukushima as much as Germany did. Shutting down nuclear power plants in the face of climate change is so incredibly irresponsible. For all of their faults, I give a lot of credit to the US and France for not shying away from using nuclear energy.
cough Italy cough
Ugh, I knew a lot of other European countries overreacted to Fukushima, but I hadn’t heard much about Italy specifically. Sounds like they didn’t have as much nuclear energy to start with (unlike Germany), but they had big plans to increase their usage of nuclear energy to around a quarter of their energy grid until they halted it all in response to Fukushima. The Wikipedia page about it is tragic.
No country bought into the fear mongering about nuclear energy after Fukushima as much as Germany did.
Germany bought the fear mongering BEFORE Chernobyl (which of course accelerated it). Also their “green” party was founded on the goal of getting rid of nuclear in the 90s. Real Engineering on Youtube has a great video on this whole thing
And like others have said, the rest of the world is at fault too. Germany shut down all of its nuclear plants, which forced them to go heavy into coal. And not just any coal, but lignite which is considered the dirtiest of all types of coal.
That’s a weird way of spelling wind and solar
Looks like coal has increased from 2021 to 2022 as nuclear decreased.
Nothing else happened at all in 2022 that could explain this, and it is definitely the trend. /s
How fucking stupid do you think people are?
It was your source man. Don’t get mad at me that it shows the opposite of what you claimed.
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If they had nuclear… They wouldn’t be falling back on coal. 🙄
Does Chinese inaction absolve all responsibility of the West?
Classic whataboutism
Who’s engaging in whataboutism?
…of course it doesn’t? Like what kinda point is that?
Unless you’re Chinese, there’s very little you can do to stop that, as opposed to encouraging your country’s politicians who have proven commitment to curb climate change.
So “China builds 5 coal plants every day before breakfast” is the whataboutism here.
China produces a lot of stuff. The whole capitalist consumer drive force is world wide. Not sure what you expect to be able to do though.
The point is that this poster is a WuMao and will say anything to try and support the Chinese government. Sad that they have wormed their way in here already.
I am not WuMao. I simply don’t appreciate useless finger pointing and implied righteousness to justify doing nothing just because some other country isn’t doing what they can either.
We’re all watching the world burn and this finger pointing is doing little else but assure a very painful future.
But this user isn’t diverting attention from an American policy or whatever. The original post was on how we have the hottest days so far and they rightly pointed out that a government was building lots of coal plants in that context. Others have chimed in and said that the government also is investigating in renewable, though I question if that makes building coal plants okay.
None of this is whataboutism. No one is above criticism or scrutiny.
What I see is directing attention at China as a polluter and placing effectively sole blame on them.
I feel like my point stands and it’s a perfect example of strongly implied whataboutism.
What I see is directing attention at China as a polluter and placing effectively sole blame on them.
Sounds like a “you” problem then. No nation should be expanding coal burning.
Well, Australia is selling them all the coal.
National pride ✨
But I wanna blame China.
Same same same. It’s all their fault for manufacturing all of our shit and still having half of the CO2 emissions per capita compared to the US.
We’re paying them to produce this pollution.
Dumbasses
This is going to be painful for us as a species. I don’t think it will render us extinct, but the weather will get significantly worse and we will probably see widespread coastal flooding in this century, which will lead to hundreds of millions of refugees. We still have plenty of time to prepare and to change course, but I fear that we will wait until a global crisis is on our doorstep before we make serious changes.
Millennials had the honour to participate in wars for pil. The coming generations will have the pleasure to kill over fresh water
Also climate refugees will become a regular thing, people doing anything to pass borders as it’s life or death for particularly exposed nations. This is already happening but will no doubt get even worse, breeding even more extremism and nationalism that bring onto a whole other slew of issues as a package deal of extreme nationalism. Fun times.
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I don’t think it will render us extinct.
Oh, it probably will, though the memory of us may live on after that.
In fact, arguably it happened long ago, and we’re currently in an echo of the past in a very immersive history lesson simultaneously teaching the grandeur and folly of humanity.
I mean, even if we went extinct tomorrow our mark on this planet is permanent because of all the damn plastic, much of which will probably fossilize. Even still, the extreme weather and extinction events on the way I don’t think are enough to end us, there will probably be some stragglers that struggle by in the ashes of the old world if nothing else.
NOT COOL
Pun intended?
Unfortunately yes
This is the coolest summer you’ll have for the rest of your life
Cool
Well when you put it that way…
Doesn’t matter, I’d be dead before the world ends. - some asshole probably.
literally an entire generation of them
Just about the entire ruling class who refuse to give up power and retire.
FYI reincarnation exists. We’re all fucked.
At least we can live in the real life set of Mad Max, which may be pretty cool for 5 min
Carl Sagan on reincarnation - https://thetattyjournal.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/the-astonishing-evidence-that-made-carl-sagan-believe-reincarnation-deserves-serious-study/
“FYI reincarnation exists”
Says who?
Woopty doo. As if anyone should ever give a fuck about what some random thinks about reincarnation. He isn’t an authority on any subject.
Show me the science. If you can’t then that’s more then enough for me to say you’re all full of shit.
Many spiritual movements.
For a more modern assessment, have a look at Mark Viber’s audio series “Where is my mind”
There is evidence that NDEs are real, the conclusion being that one’s clnsdio9can leave the body.
Past live experiences have strong evidence.
Have a listen to the podcast and make up your own mind.
Hell no. Show me the science. Prove it.
Problem is you can’t. Your pod cast isn’t proof. It’s just someone giving you some janky opinion and you gobble it up.
You haven’t heard it yet you judge.
I don’t care whether you, an anonymous person ?though you may be a bot) believes in it or not.
As a medical doctor I was a total akeptic until I looked at the evidence with an open mind.
Good luck with your closed minded attitude in life.
Thanks. Good luck with your religion. It’s always worked out so well for you folks.
The podcast I referenced gave evidence.
If you’re to closed minded to listen to it that’s your loss.
And, no, it’s not a religion lol
I am one of these “assholes”. Explain to me why I should care. Don’t want kids, don’t have much influence in what is gonna happen, just wanna enjoy the time I have on this planet. Don’t think this population growth is sustainable in any scenario, and humankind would do better with a few billion fewer.
Fatalism is not gonna change a thing except making your experience on Earth less enjoyable. Turn off the news, live a good life, otherwise you will regret it.
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Exactly this, because there is literally fuck all any of us can do to change this. Climate change is largely the result of a couple hundred mega corporations, not the masses choosing plastic drinking straws.
Downvoted but right. Average people did play a part of this though. The part we played was supporting the big businesses that were fucking us over. Oh, a new sports car even though my old one works fine? COOL. Give me that, I’ll pay whatever you ask.
Excess. We live a life of excess. They provide it, we accept.
Unfortunately people are greedy and material oriented. Even the good people have so much excess. They don’t think twice to see anything wrong with it. Everyone driving brand new cars to keep up with the “Joneses” played a big part. This never should have been a thing. Vehicles should’ve been for transport and nothing else, vanity should have never been a factor but… people.
Same with fashion. Never should’ve been a thing. Clothes are for covering your body. Never should’ve mattered so much how we look. Again, vanity.
Makeup. Same story. People want to look a certain way so resources are obtained, money is spent, excess is gained. Vanity satiated.
Sports stadiums? Malls filled with bs no one needs?
Wants vs needs. People don’t know how to separate the two anymore.
Even those that claim to. Often especially not those people.
Excess. So much excess.
My area used to be filled with farms. All you’d see is trees and farms.
They sustained themselves. Grew their own food, mowed their own grass, usually had a creek for water etc. Self sustainable and produced an abundance of food.
Now the entire fucking area is just… businesses to provide the excess. No need to rely on ourselves anymore. The corporations got our back right? Bought up all the land and replaced farms that could feed hundreds with… A smoke shop. Grocery stores everywhere. People aren’t growing their food anymore, they’ve got corporations to do that for them as long as they work for the corporations enough to earn the funds.
It’s so fucked up. I miss the trees, miss nature. It amazes me that people aren’t outraged and protesting this. They’re turning my entire region into a massive strip mall and the people are…
Okay with it because it provides the excess.
Okay with it because they lost touch with nature long ago and can’t fathom the value of it.
We’ve traded self sufficiency for reliance on corporations.
We’ve traded strength for dependency.
We’ve traded church for Twitter.
Clean water for fluoride laced tap water.
Roaming buffalo for cars.
It’s fucked up. Everything is fucked up.
We just don’t know it yet because our needs are met and then some
Cool. Nothing to see here. Totally fine. It’s not like western Washington is needing AC in the summer every year now for the first time in literally ever.
Should we take a moment to recognise that battling climate change with air conditioning is not a long-term winning strategy??
So just broil to death in the name of ‘climate religion’?
Oh no… people in the PNW might not have great weather all the time anymore.
Oh no…
All the time lol? I guess if you like 9 months of grey full sky’s then sure.
Did you want to see the sun? If I can see the sun, its bad weather IMO.
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It would be irresponsible to stop drilling more oil.
Source: shell.For one brief moment, stocks were at an all-time high… What else could matter?
/s for anyone who can’t grasp sarcasm
Green energy companies have shareholders and profits too. So yes, definitely think of the shareholders and profits
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Which, hey, bonus, amirite? Nothing beats a BLT with fresh, home-grown tomatoes to watch the much-quicker-than-anticipated demise of Earth.
For real! My porch garden is already a jungle and I need to build some kind of A-frame support.
