It’s a shame how shabbily reddit’s board and u/spez (and his lackeys) have treated reddit’s users and mods. They benefited enormously from free content and hours of unpaid moderation, yet they chose to throw it all away.
This screams “Please stop this and go back to doing work for free.” They keep threatening but know they need the free labor.
Exactly. And it’s driving me crazy how many mods are caving. Like, I get that you care about the community and want it to continue on, but will it even be the same now that you know how little control you actually have? Will it survive the next insane, profit driven decision Reddit makes and refuses to negotiate on? Just rip the band-aid off now like /r/interestingasfuck and others did and let them remove you. We’ve seen that they can’t actually replace what was lost, so let them try.
“But if I lose my fragile grip on this iota of power, I’ll have nothing, and I’ll BE nothing. I can’t start over again from nothing!”
I strongly believe that that is exactly what is subconsciously going on there. The human mind is addicted to power, no matter which form.
I never really thought about it but I totally see which mods were actually protesting and which mods used it to “protest” and add some spice to their mundane non-medieval memes
Power over something is appealing to humans. I notice it in myself as well.
If you look around in general, at all different human communities and situations, you will see how it manifests itself almost everywhere. In the government bureaucrat that lets someone wait just because they can. In the child that takes another child’s toy even though they don’t even want to play with it themselves. In the teenager that participates in mobbing. In the owner that overly scolds their pet. In the politician that doesn’t have any values and just says whatever is necessary to get votes. In the parent that tries to make their child behave in a certain way. In the boss that micro manages their employees. In the community moderator that can ban anyone they please.
I could keep going.
Power is a means, but it is very often also just an end. I think it’s really important to be aware of that, because power just for power’s sake is imo one of the most dangerous state of minds one can have.
Oh yeah I probably didn’t articulate my point well enough because I need more coffee but for better or worse power is… well… empowering and there’s both good and bad examples of this. I also think some of the users were too defeatists about it saying we can’t change anything and to that I say, “it’s not about the
moneychanging stuff, it’s about sending a message”. But when that message is r/memes going “oh unm ok we’re gonna protest by making all our memes medieval TAKE THAT REDDIT!! Please don’t remove us.”Looking back I saw which mods used their power for the better to drive a community they cared about and which were more in it for the power
Using a game I play r/planetside may not be the best example but it’s a decently niche game. By indefinitely blacking out our toxic little echo chamber ultimately had a ton to lose and very little to gain given the odds of protests succeeding. Given how our community wasn’t massive I’d bet it’s still blacked out. But despite us always flaming each other and developers I think the mods cared becuase they didn’t cave on their community and go “post planetside but add a cat to the corner that’ll show Reddit how mad we are”, no, they shut down and I’m still looking for a stable planetside community but they stuck to their guns
I kinda went on a rant and forgot my point was so I’m just gonna end here
Them replacing mods is what scares me the most. My subreddit is for advice for stretching piercings. If I continued to protest or even outright deleted my subreddit, and they restored it and replaced the mod team, what quality of moderating should I expect? Like I get it on meme subs, not hard to moderate that sort of content. But I know damn well they aren’t going to get people with experience relative to the more specific subs.
You can never delete a subreddit once created. Ever. That’s why many are editing, then deleting, their comments.
The best you can do is to create a community on Lemmy and invite your redditors to the new community.
That’s where we are now, the migration has begun. But now, I’m stuck with a foot on each boat while I spread the word.
I get that, and respect it very much. You care about others and the community you’ve helped create. But Reddit is now actively exploiting that care for their own profit. Reddit draws value from your community and the advice it offers others. If that advice is poor then yes, people will suffer, but that’s on Reddit for allowing this all to happen how it has, not you.
If Reddit goes down, what articles will pcmag decide to write about then?
And what will people post on lemmy about?
I mean sure posts about Reddit makes us seem like the bitter ex, but they are to be expected, since it’s the only thing all Lemmy users have in common: Being ex-Redditors. It will stop naturally with time.
Although, on Reddit we were always talking about musk and Twitter. Dumpster fires when the AIC (asshole in charge) deserves the harm coming to their profits and their website, it’s newsworthy and juicy content.
Although I do agree that it will slow to a trickle and then eventually stop. Not because the content stops being interesting to us, but because reffit will ultimately probably win in the end, they’re IPO will be profitable, they’ll continue down this enshittification road until FB make a Reddit competitor and then everyone that didn’t care about the API thing because they were too busy watching reruns of the Big Bang theory will move there. It’s the circle of tech life, eventually fb will own the internet
Though if Twitter goes under, I’m sure Facebook will have a hard time explaining why they aren’t a monopoly. That has been taken seriously before.
Has it? In the last 30 years? White collar/corporate malfeasance enforcement has dropped like a fucking landslide in the 21st century.
It was the same with Digg on reddit back in the day. Like you say, it’ll die down.
The Reddit thing is also extremely interesting to follow and is absolutely newsworthy.
Lemmy is already busy complaining about meta
Don’t worry we’ll find something
I found a cool rock while I was on a walk this week edit: my dudes you’re going to have to give me time to go back there it was a pretty big rock
Pics or it didn’t happen.
He’s holding out content, let’s get him!
pic?
Post the rock. Please I need it
Just leaving additional peer pressure here. WE WANT PICS!
Hilarious! You gotta admit though, it’s kind of like Watching Pawn Stars on the History Channel. Like wtf is this?
Beans, apparently.
Probably things posted here, except they’ll have some trouble sorting out the instancing stuff at first
I got quotes by a PC gamer article after commenting about a random , obscure battlefield rip off was announced for steam a couple of months ago.
I was very surprised upon finding it after a username google.
Thanks….I guess?! My comment was just a random nothing burger (well what’s changed there). Well done ‘journalists’!
They can always rely on AI-written shitpost articles.
RIP EmKay videos lol
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Honestly I’ve been addicted to reddit for several years, and it even had negative consequences for my life. When I was depressed I just used reddit all day and became obsessed with the subreddit moderated. I deleted that account and now I’m in a much better place but that constant urge to open reddit is still there.
Before July 1 my reddit usage was around 2 hours every day, now it’s been 0 for 5 days.
So I’d like to Thank Reddit admins for this.
I used reddit for 11 years, founded multiple subreddits, and was a head mod on even more. I had over 150,000 karma. I spent hours a day for over decade in that shithole. I recently walked away. My account still lives but it is no longer a mod of any sub and I have deleted every single comment I ever made. I struggle every day to stay off reddit.
Happy for you friend! I also went from a few hours a day to nothing. Wasn’t trying to improve myself, it was just out of sheer rage at how things were being done over there. Any time I would log in I would feel self hatred and just end up making lengthy comments about spez being an asshole.
Question, have you tried replacing the hobby? I’ve found hiking and writing - (writing lyrics/other things as I hike/walk) to provide even more enjoyment than I was getting online 24/7
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the only thing I miss about reddit is how much more diversity it had. cause let’s face it, there just isn’t as much content here. it’s also how I stayed caught up on current events
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that’s a good point. I’ll probably do my part and post a bunch just to fill stuff up a little more
I put a time management app on my phone for that. After 5 minutes, reddit was blocked for an hour. Max time on app, 30 minutes a day.
Yeah, they also cured my addiction
It’s a shame because there’s so much good stuff on the site. (So much bad stuff, too, don’t get me wrong.) All that stuff is looking more and more likely to go up in smoke.
I’m disappointed how few subreddits are daring to call their bluff, or put their full weight behind migrating. It’s clear they actually aren’t able to replace moderators that easily.
r/interestingasfuck still doesn’t have moderators. It’s been closed for 18 days now.
not so easily to find free labor when you bully them right u/spez
Seriously. I never want to hear how hard it is to mod a subreddit with existing mod tools again. They’ve rolled over for spez (which is their right) and they don’t get to complain about it anymore.
It’s for the reason you names that I’m extra disappointed in the mods that “stepped up”.
“We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die”
Feels to me like they dug their own grave and now complain that the user’s are problem.
What are they expecting after they remove moderators and remove the nsfw status? That the users keep posting? They aren’t dumb and I could imagine that some or most people will probably stop posting there.
They think people are there because they love the site. They forgot they love the site because of the content and community. Reddit management dug their grave and jumped in it.
There is a whole set of users who apparently think the mods are in the wrong and that Reddit is right. Whether these are real users, and not armies of bots using ChatGPT to generate content, is up for debate. (But they’re definitely bots lol)
I very much fear there’s a lot of real people. Ones that act like asses and get banned from dozens of subs, then complain about mods being dictators or something. Others who think anyone can be a mod and they’re throwing a “”“temper tantrum”””. Others that think it’s just about losing apps with no ads.
It’s full of people who don’t understand, and don’t want to understand the extent of the problem, and I really doubt it’s all AI unless they’re actively giving prompts like “make a comment against the protest, but in the most entitled way possible”.
Honest question: Where are these people? I’ve never seen someone go to bat for Reddit the way you describe.
I’ve mostly seen it in r/ModCoord, where a lot of discussion around Reddit protests goes down. Lately I think the mods there have been trying to stop it, but it definitely shows. These are the ones I assume are bots, or at least some of them, judging by the way they argue.
The other random place I saw it was r/PokemonROMHacks when it reopened. People there were super critical of the mods, and I think it’s mostly because they aren’t users who normally use reddit and are only there to try to download and troubleshoot Pokemon hacks. To them, the mods making the sub private seemed incredibly selfish.
Some people I seen against the protests weren’t mods but users who like it’s futile and use the official app
For me I would agree with them but for me Apollo had a good thing going and all the lying and fun stuff whether it’s true or not is what drove me away
The admins were also deleting comments. I had at least a few disappear without explanation or notice. Could be many more, I have no way of even knowing.
Generic moderators on lemmy can also delete comments without us getting an alert or information about who did it. Hard to challenge things like this, but at least we can check the modlog. You would only know its deleted because you check the thread where you posted it(unless I’m mistaken).
Pretty sure that quote was from the mods of that subreddit, not the reddit admins.
Why? Why would you want something you love to continue to exist on a platform that sees you as nothing more than free labor.
People are wayyyy to attached to thier social media identies… I’m like a rat on a ship… any signs of trouble I’m overboard to the next vessel.
I understand the veterans subreddit. While I never went to that sub, I assume it’s a good place for veterans to come and help and support each other.
But the others like Pics or TIHI etc…yeah I’m with you on that.
Oh no, people are quite dumb. There’s a lot still that are unaware or just don’t care about the drama. I’d wager those people are the ones still on Reddit.
How does that make them dumb? If anything, the fact that they’re indifferent to it just means they have other priorities in life.
TPA users were like 3% of the site, dude.
What are they expecting after they remove moderators and remove the nsfw status? That the users keep posting?
Seems like they’re thinking exactly that. However, I expect many communities (especially niche communities) to revolt and start spamming unrelated content and straight up porn (or worse – gore). The current mechanism is to replace the mods with supermods (aka the ones who moderate over 100 communities or something) but I wonder if they will be able to effectively moderate that shit without going private.
It’s quite hard to guess what will damage reddit the most. I hope that many niche communities collapse and migrate, but the issue also lies in mainstream communities. One thing is NonCredibleDefence moving. Another thing is stuff like r/manga (which went for a blackout but didn’t do much beside it).
Lemmy is good, I hope more people move here, but so far it’s gonna be reliant on migrants from reddit and possibly twitter, which is not exactly a good plan
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Reddit admins writing warning letters like I title project files. lastlastLASTFINAL-v1.3forreal.doc warning
What no proper version control does to a mfer.
What no proper version control does to a mfer(2)
It’s amazing how fast Reddit went from my favorite place to be online to a trash heap
It’s somehow worse than ifunny
TBH I Don’t care about reddit now, I’m more into lemmy or squabble now. If its user base grows or declines I Don’t care, I’m out of reddit and I’m not going back.
Yeah after getting used to the not-totally-assholes community of lemmy I’m not going back to reddit. The community there kinda sucks
You have been banned from [random large subreddit] for pointing out something that threatens the hivemind POV.
Honestly, that was my biggest problem with the community. Granted, that’s great when someone is being a genuine asshole, but over the last decade or so, it has become a little ridiculous.
Honestly stopped caring about Reddit years ago. Mostly just used it to keep up to date on game releases. As long as I have a community-ran source for gaming news, I’m pretty happy.
or else what? They’ll bring in paid moderators to do an actual job?
There’s idiots lining up out the door to get a taste of fake power.
The quality of the work is not going go be the same though…
Do they care, though?
I mean, they will when those same powertripping mods begin banning over petty things. That’s how you get people to move from subreddits / Reddit.
That has always happened in Reddit. Nothing new.
Reddit are past the point of no return for me. They could reverse all their API changes but I’m not going back. They’ve show their true colours.
They’ve show their true colours.
For me it was the CEO’s comments.
🤌 For me it was the advocating for death of delivery drivers (poor people)
What was that about?
Basically just “Why I got to tip poor people 🤬”
Weird stuff showing up on popular that ain’t right. Albeit I thread comments by controversial when possible
Wait what?
Yep. Duck those ducking duckers. I’m out.
I’m thinking your name should be Dr. Peking. And I’m not sure why.
for me it was learning there was somewhere else to go. Reddit has been garbage for a long time that if you dont argee exactly with someone with a little bit of power you get kicked out of subreddits
Reddit is slowly dying. Major nerd communities like r/startrek migrated already. And remaining users will soon realize that their feeds are becoming more and more lifeless. Kinda like twitter feels since Elon.
I’ve been hanging around on /r/StreetFighter since the SF6 beta dropped, and I honestly just wish they’d freaking move to Lemmy already or something. I dunno what other forums even exist for the fighting game community at this point outside of Reddit :(
Reddit is slowly dying
But it isn’t. It’s growing and it will keep growing. Only a tiny percentage gives a shit about privacy and decentralization.
That said, I already much prefer Lemmy.
this is sad when years of work, sweat and commitment wasted WITHOUT GETTING PAID to keep a community alive and full of information to get stamped and threatened by a dickhead
The final warning was enough to cause the moderators for r/Military—a forum partly devoted to helping veterans—to stop operating as a NSFW subreddit. “We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die,” the moderator team wrote.
Cowards.
I dont know what everyone was expecting. Enduring nonsensical rules, shitty working conditions and incompetent authority figures is about the most military thing there is.
Fr. Surprises me that military personnel of all people would be so fragile. Don’t give in. Post “hey we’re moving to Lemmy, see you there” and fucking go. It’s 2023 going to a new site is the easiest thing in the world, it’s not like 1999 where most of the forum would have difficulty doing that…
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I mean, they’ve got their priorities right. It’s reddit’s fault that they’re killing their own communities. We should try to reach out in subs like this and help them set up on lemmy.
I don’t think that’s fair. People can come here if they want. They can hate Reddit if they want. Let’s not demonize communities that decided to reopen is best for their community. It doesn’t need to be some judgement “Fuck everyone who didn’t come to here”.
That’s fair. It still makes them cowards though, word definitions don’t change because we want harmony.
It’s cowardly to make a stand against the admins and then just roll over when they tell you to sit down and shut up. Doesn’t matter if it’s Reddit or anywhere else.
Agreed. I’m actually really enjoying the filter right now. I mean, I want reddit to fall apart too, but I am more interested in lemmy succeeding, and they are different wants.
Did you wear the uniform? What are you doing to help prevent the 22 suicides a day among our service members?
This is what the military subs have had to weigh when making these calls.
I have met people who was in the service enough to know the struggle is real.
It’s just hard to believe that they depend on Reddit for their support system.
They can pack it up and move here where they won’t be pushed around like pawns. It’s be pretty easy to leave instructions on how to migrate.
I did not, although my father did. It’s pretty grandiose to claim that a subreddit is helping prevent military suicides.
Did you wear the uniform?
Yes, did you?
Nope, just a civilian, but married to a career Soldier.
What’s the MILITARY doing to prevent the 22 suicides a day?
Not enough. Still too much stigma attached to behavioral health.
That’s why there is so much need for additional support from elsewhere.
So it’s everyone else’s responsibility to protect people subjected to Israeli wars by the lapdog US government?
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Another thing I never see anyone in US is talking about: If US veterans need so much help (and they really do), what is happening to people in counties they were fighting against? And those are not only soldiers, but whole families. Everyone ober there has witnessed same shit they did, kids, elders, moms…
“Developed” countries see “undeveloped” countries (or whatever euphemism you want to use) as Others. We may be the target of their charity or of their pity sometimes, but we remain a mysterious monolith. I’m reminded of that whenever someone says “The US is [generally something bad] among developed countries”.
I’m not angry about it. I get it. I still wish it wasn’t that way.
As trivia, at least one “undeveloped” country has universal healthcare.
Least ignorant Redditor.
How does that compare to Lemmywinkers?
