Linux is a useless hassle for most computer users.
Why would you say something so brave, yet so controversial?
I’d go a step further. Desktop computing as a whole is overkill for most users.
As much as I’m loathe to admit it, my cheap Asus Chromebook is likely more than what 90 percent of humanity requires. And most of them could easily just get away with using a phone or tablet instead.
I’m an old school guy. I love a good tower with a pair of monitors and stuff to do my editing and 3D design. But even those intensive tasks are getting better on smaller form factors.
It’s just not my world anymore. I’ve aged out of it.
I feel all of that. Currently driving an Intel NUC i5, and that’s all I need. Hardly anyone on my block owns a PC, and if they do, it’s ancient and won’t be replaced.
This. You only need more than a Chromebook if you’re doing programming, game dev, doing 3D modelling, professional photo or video editing, AI/ML work or music production.
I wanna disagree with this so bad but I’m willing to bet 90% of the business done on desktops could be done in a web browser without much problem. Though I imagine a lot of proprietary software that keeps businesses going benefits from having a desktop. Not that it couldn’t be retooled.
I’m a fairly savvy computer user and its always looked like a hassle to me. Maybe I’m just lazy and dont want to put the effort into learning it, but MS practices with windows lately are really pushing me into finally doing it.
The hassle is the price of having more control over what’s happening inside your computer. Some people don’t want to care about that, and for those people, Absolutely it’s too much of a hassle.
I think the controversial opinion isn’t whether or not Linux is more hassle than Windows or Mac (it is…of course it is), but whether or not that hassle is worth it. Does the extra control over your computer outweigh the few extra things you need to do to keep it running right.
Fie me, the answer is yes. I don’t find having to be a little extra careful about some precautions before hitting the update button a huge inconvenience, or working through the occasional glitch when an AUR package upgrades past its dependencies.
But would that be too much hassle for someone like my mother, for example, who literally just wants to play games on Facebook? Of course. And there’s nothing wrong with thinking that.
The “hassle” depends a lot on what kind of distro/de you’ve been given and how willing you’re to start hassling around.
When I first decided to try Linux, I was hopping distros and going through every possible way to customize the UX and it was purely TO tinker.Now it’s just a fire and forget with Debian stable and GNOME. Just works and doesn’t have too many unnecessary bells and whistles
Makes sense. Thats about where I’m at. The hassle is worth not having AI sifting through all my personal files and logging every fucking thing I do
Maybe one day you just buy another SSD and give it a try on there… Thats how I did it 2 years ago and I couldnt have guessed how much it would eventually, over time, become worth it to me.
I initially installed PopOS but it worked so well that after 2 weeks I though to myself, “well this is boring, I installed it and now what?” and proceeded to try Arch (unsuccesfully at the time).
To add to this. Most complaints about windows from linux users are just people who don’t know how to use windows, which is kinda embarrassing considering its the most used OS by a really big margin.
Do you have any examples? I dont think I have seen complaints about Windows that are invalid if you knew how to use it.
I have another example from a few months ago where a guy was complaining that he couldn’t uninstall Edge without doing a bunch of registry tweaks and unofficial things to remove it, and that was why he switched to Linux. When the Chrome version of Edge came out though, there’s literally a setup.exe that you can run with an uninstall arg and it will uninstall it no questions asked.
The uninstall button. The game is great and all that, but god it is hard to fully remove all the junk it leaves behind on your system. /s
https://lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/6845923
A few posts down from yours. It’s literally the same on windows if installing the windows store/xbox version.
Linux based OSes are by far most popular globally. Windows is only super popular on desktops and laptops.
I’m willing to bet that 95% of the users using a ‘Linux based OS’ would have absolutely no clue, and if you put them in front of a desktop with Linux on it they’d be as lost as anyone else.
I’m willing to bet 95% wouldn’t care, they have their web browser there and that’s all that’s needed.
I’d even go so far as to say most people would find a stable Linux distro with GNOME easier than Windows. The user experience for most part is closer to that of your Android phone.
That’s kinda my point, Android is a Linux based OS. But go to any random guy with a Samsung and ask him to install Minecraft on a Linux desktop and he’ll have a panic attack.
I wish more distros had flatpak installed by default, so I could just say "same way as on your phone, from ‘app store’ "
I mean, even if the distro doesn’t have Flathub enabled by default, a program as popular as Minecraft will almost certainly be in the repos anyway.
open app store > search ‘Minecraft’ > press install
It’s literally harder to install on Windows
I mean, you just download the jar installer from the website… I do get your point, but things have changed seemingly over the past few decades, as I’ve only been maining popOS for about 3 years. But I was honestly shocked I could still run so much with near negligible hassle: couple steam games liked an earlier version of proton more, web work I would argue has been easier for the most part
Isn’t that mostly due to Linux being widespread on servers, and by extension Android? (And if we’re talking Unix, then MacOS, too)
Yeah, Linux has some high 90s percent “market share” in server space. Android is a “cherry on the top” with vast majority of mobile phone markwt
Practically all servers, Android, and ~11% of the PC market.
As an avid arch linux user… Yeah, but I still love it
Android and ios is easier to use compared to both Linux and windows
I don’t understand iOS. It’s super unintuitive. Maybe it’s coming from the fact that I grew up in the DOS generation and had to fumble around with everything to get it done, that I am just fundamentally incompatible with a hardened and uncustomizable OS? I keep looking for “obvious” functions that simply don’t exist, and am continuously flabbergasted when someone hands me an iPhone to do something.
Linux, Windows, Android? I’ll figure it out in seconds.
I also have this problem with apple products, but I hear people tell me it’s more intuitive. Maybe I just havent spend enough time in the whole ecosystem to learn the hieroglyphs.
If you need to spend time to familiarize, it’s by default not intuitive.
Ah, yes - the typical “I don’t like it/it’s too much of a hassle for me therefore it is useless for everybody.”
Same thinking pattern that prevents the USA from adopting the metric system: I like the old system (because I grew up with it and don’t want to learn something new) therefore the new system is bad.
These people should really try to be a bit less egocentric. Is it so hard to recognize that the world doesn’t revolve around you?
Dude one of my guys got a ticket yesterday where someone couldn’t figure out how to turn on their monitor and they’re in their 30s.
Actual direct conspiracy is usually not necessary to achieve the outcomes of most nefarious things people worry about. Two rich people which both want to protect their own wealth can look at each other and their respective actions and then take next steps working to protect their wealth without ever talking to each other and get basically the same outcomes as if they had coordinated. Shared interests and a reasonable understanding of the likely outcomes of choices can be almost as good as direct conspiracy.
It’s not collusion, it’s game theory. So you can’t arrest me.
I get beat up every time I post something like this. Almost every nasty thing we see in the world is a simple case of an individual or group working towards their own best interests.
But why then do people do shitty things that they have to know will hurt someone? It’s not that they’re evil, they just don’t care if you’re not in their Monkeysphere.
Can’t think of anything I’ve read that puts this together so well. Yeah, I know, cracked.com. Give it a spin, it really changed my thinking about the world. (It’s old so the formatting in kinda hosed up.)
https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html
Very good point.
Remind me of a bit about the oligarchy of various families in early Rome. Even when the families disagreed with each other they never let is spill out into the lower classes. Why ruin a perfect thing?.. then gracchis
That’s why you need regulations: the market doesn’t regulate itself.
I’ll bite: most people don’t give a fuck about the fediverse and the hassle of having to understand it all in order to navigate it is only a barrier to entry that will slowly drive away people until the platforms die a slow, painful death.
Everyone on here saying they like it this way and prefer it over the mess that is Reddit or X are completely missing the point that negative growth will only lead to a failed platform.
The fediverse tries to solve a problem that doesn’t exist for everyone, while promoting itself as the solution to everyone’s problem.
You’re right, most people don’t give a fuck about it, and many of the attitudes on Lemmy aren’t shared by the vast majority of people. That’s not necessarily a problem, but it is if you think that Lemmy is going to suddenly overtake Reddit.
Where I have (mostly) found myself freed of political extremists and bots on lemme, they’ve been replaced by relentlessly hubristic tech pedants who can find fault with anything I can think of to say.
So it’s gone from infuriating to endlessly aggravating. I guess that’s an improvement?
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Marketing should be banned.
Its sole purpose is to get people to buy shit they do not need, in order to make someone more money than they deserve. All through manipulation of your brain.
It’s the sole reason we are over consuming.
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Consumers would just search for those kinds of products themselves if they encounter a problem they feel the need to improve. They don’t need to be told those products exist.
This is objectively not true. Not everyone has every idea to solve every problem. Sometimes someone fixes a problem you didn’t know you had. Happens all the time in hobbying for example.
In a platonic world, marketing is for getting word out to the community of a product or service. For example - “I suddenly need a back doctor and don’t know any”, or - “I wish there was some place in town that had organic shallots and asparagus and watercress, locally-sourced honey”.
In the real world, the tool is used and abused beyond the breaking point; before we even realized how we got there, we were bombarded by insurance ads from all sides simultaneously. Political ads. Male enlargement pills. Online casinos. Pharmaceuticals, with the fast-talking asshole at the end warning about “suicidal thoughts” and “serious risk of stroke” that comes along with their shit product.
The platonic ideal of marketing is always there. There is a flow of useful information. Unfortunately, it’s buried and intertwined with a flood of noise and excrement.
Not as hot a take as you might think. It can’t happen of course, at least not under our current economic structure
💯 on point here. Everyone knows it and doesn’t understand why.
https://bettermarketing.pub/the-great-marketing-deregulation-2125a0efe094
Copyright and intellectual property as a whole is actually bad for artists and authors and only serves the interests of large corporations.
You think that opinion is gonna cause you to be bombarded on Lemmy?
Well it got me bombarded on reddit.
The idea of
coffeecopyright is good, but corporate lobbying and the current most-money-wins legal system makes our implementation of copyright harmful. TL;DR: Interface good, implementation bad.I think even the interface is just intended as a band-aid fix for the current economic system (not gonna say the C word). In a better world art and media would be a public good.
But I do get your point. Could absolutely be improved for the current system.
No copyright need a nearly ideal system, where the people go to the original creator by themselves to get more content.
But in the current reality, without copyright big coperations would just take the stuff of indi creators and get bigger because the masses know them and stay by them.
You are not wrong.
I like the 1990s Super Mario Brothers movie
They went so needlessly deep on the world building while being completely disconnected to the IP.
I’m so glad I saw this cause I’m getting a physical copy of it soon.
Firefly was overrated and was right to be cancelled.
Get out.
I was digging this thread until this post. I am looking for my pitchfork now.
Well done.
I hate that I’m supposed to upvote this comment.
How can cowboys and hookers in space be anything but fantastic?
Fuck you! Fuck you AND the horse you rode in on.
Actually, you seem to one of the only ones to understand the post. But still, firefly was awesome, don’t go there
whats firefly
[TV series](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_(TV_series\))
I saw Serenity before I knew Firefly existed. Love that movie but couldn’t agree with you more about the show.
we’re gonna let religious idiots and selfish fuckwits destroy the entire ecosystem because they’re too fucking stupid to understand simple science and too immature to realize they’re the fucking problem.
It’s not as simple as stupid group of people does bad things. There is a clear and powerful monetary motivation to harm the environment and the people responsible are well aware of what they are doing. They simply do not care.
The climate deniers are not the problem and it isn’t every individuals responsibility to dramatically alter their lives and consumption for the smallest effect on our environment. Your average climate denier denier does not make this better obviously but they are a victim of an intentionally deceitful propaganda campaign
they disproportionately spew carbon into the atmosphere intentionally subverting their vehicle’s emission reduction technology purposely for the ability to offend the libs.
I agree with your premise, but think it’s in addition to the principles I suggested, not instead.
I wish I could tell every single one this. But they are too dumb to get it.
yup. had someone in another thread, today, say that covid was the same thing as the flu and wearing ‘pantyliners’ on our faces was because we were scared.
1.2 million dead americans, 1500+ dead every week for 3 years on average… the only thing I’m scared of is letting morons like that make decisions that impact the rest of society. If only they realized they don’t live in bubbles and cooperating is mutually beneficial, but that would take a modicum of grey matter that they apparently cannot muster.
I did not care for the Lord of the Rings.
Love the movies, can’t get through 2 chapters of the books. I’ve easily read 1,000+ books, and I’m very forgiving, i.e., not picky. But I just can’t get into Tolkien.
Loved the books (read 'em mutiple times) but didn’t care for the movies. Not even the look of them (the film was over exposed with an ugly color palet).
I hear ya. I found the first half of Fellowship to be excruciating to read. Especially the Tom Bombadil stuff. I gritted my teeth and struggled through it. Then when they get to the barrow downs it really picks up, and I enjoyed the second half of the book.
I found Two Towers a really fun read.
I found Return of the King to be okay. Pace was decent but Tolkien’s over the top, grandious writing style in that book got kind of annoying.
Not sure if this helps you, but I thought I’d share my thoughts just in case.
I absolutely hated them the first time I watched them in the theatre. Years and years later I watched them on my sofa, in my living rooms, and finally enjoyed them.
They were too long and drawn out of a story to be engaged by surrounded by screaming children and teenagers yapping to each other.
Watching it at home it went from something I hated to one of my favourites.
The Two Towers remains to this day the only book that I was reading by my own choice that I skipped parts of. Maybe I’d read them if I was reading it today (it was the history lecture part, I wanted them to get on with the story but might appreciate the history more now), but I don’t really care to read Tolkien again. I’ll always appreciate what he did for the fantasy genre, but it has evolved beyond him now IMO.
Black tea is superior to coffee, because the caffeine rush is much more pleasant and the crash is mild. It’s better at helping you focus and improving your mood. Tea doesn’t wreck your stomach lining and turn you into a raving looney when you can’t get it. It’s cheaper than coffee, pound for pound. The people who run the world are all tea drinkers.
takes his daily ritaline
Yeah such a mild crash when I drink tea in the morning
Standard English breakfast? Or something else?
Nay nay! Loose leaf single origin or GTFO! Since we’re being controversial, let’s be a fun type and talk about what really matters. How long of a steep?! COME AT ME TEABROOOOS
I enjoy both but well brewed tea seems to be faster and less work than well brewed coffee. Both to prepare and in cleanup / maintenance of the equipment.
Indeed! High five!
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I like my expensive steak well done.
Let me say that your comment is on topic and a valuable addition to the conversation. I hope you get many upvotes.
Personally I think you should be banned from eating a good cut of meat ever again. The boiled leather of an old worn out shoe should be a feast for you.
The good news is I would argue the most expensive cuts of beef pretty much cannot be “ruined”. So eating them well done is probably ok. I’m talking about meats with insane amounts of marbling like Kobe beef.
Blocked.
I used to eat steak well done until I made it myself for the first time and massively misjudged the timings. Came out medium rare and it was amazing. Do it that way every time now.
But people acting like well done steak is a crime against nature is so bizarre.
Don’t forget to smother it in ketchup
And eat it out of a highchair
With ranch for dipping.
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Not a problem. But it tastes very similar to a cheap steak well done.
Do you also drink single malt whisky with coke?
Personally, I do like cocaine with my Scotch, but I understand most people don’t.
I hate that I have to upvote this…
Capitalism works great. You just need to put in a few guard rails and be willing to step in and fix she once in a while.
guard rails
B…But that’s SOCIALISM!
Don’t get me wrong, I think the tankies and communist are as crazy as the trumpets. A pragmatic center voting base is dead.
As soon as you get even slightly specific about the guard rails, people start moaning.
We just need people to quit bitching about the guardrails
Lemmy has been quite a shock on that front. All these people bitching about capitalism using a machine only capitalism could have provided.
And yes, every excess of the system can be dialed in without trashing the whole thing.
Unfortunately, capitalism requires an underclass of oppressed laborers in order to function. Or at least, every capitalism ever has had one. Maybe it could work without it? We’ll probably never know though.
You should go back to Reddit, and enjoy your capitalist world.
B I N G O
Couldn’t help yourself even on an unpopular comment thread. I don’t like your opinion so get out 🤣
I could’ve not, I just chose to. So, this was helping myself.
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You must be doing something right, capitalist cowboy pigdog! Free ticket to Lenin’s tomb for you. His soul may be in Hell, but his corpse is number one tourist destination!
All this revolutionary technology in the world and yet the masses are dumber
Giving people tools does not make them smarter.
I don’t think capitalism is the worst thing on earth.
Capitalism isn’t the worst, but unregulated capitalism? There’s gotta be boundaries. Capitalism is never gonna care about dumping toxic waste into that river or carbon into the air.
Obviously there are worse things but they doesn’t make capitalism great either
Am I saying capitalism is perfect? Definitely not. But I feel like people tend to blame everything that’s wrong with the world with capitalism. Problems that would 100% still exist in other economic models.
Case in point, I used to hang out in /r/vegan and people there would blame meat consumption on capitalism. I hate to break it to you but there has never been an economic model in history where people treated animals ethically.
“Capitalism sucks” really has become the blanket statement for a lot of people these days whenever they see something they don’t like about the world. I’m sorry but switching to communism, socialism, anarchism, etc isn’t going to make people and the world suck any less.
It probably isn’t. The problem with it is that it will, by its nature, ultimately collapse. But so do states that use other systems seemingly.
In capitalism profits must always improve. You always need to produce more, leading to exploitation of resources or do the same with less resource, meaning you lay off employees.
Ultimately resources run out, you can’t lay off any more people or the economy becomes so awful nobody has the money to pay for your services.
You’re not wrong. The basic premise of it seems fine. We have money, which can be a convenient way to do trades. I work in one career, but it doesn’t give me food. Instead I get food from the store. And they need it from the farmers. But having food doesn’t provide them with their other needs, so they go to another specialist. But that specialist doesn’t get everything they need, so they come to me. So using cash is a convenient way of exchanging goods and services.
And some people enjoy running a company. They see a product people need or want, and maybe it’s something they also need or want, and they enjoy making it, so they make a business out of it.
The basic premise of it makes sense. I prefer us to have another system, especially since I can see the issues with it. But for the most part, I also wouldn’t hate it as much if we weren’t in the over aggressive form of capitalism we have now.
That’s how capitalism gets you. It’s insidious.
Almost all of us here spend too much time addicted to what technology has created, it’s ruining our lives, we know it, but rather than face that fact, we spend even more time on what technology has created to voice blame on anything but ourselves.
And we are mad at ourselves, but it feels even better to be mad at other people, social structures, and the wealthy. But, we’re cheap and easy, so we do the easy thing that makes us feel better, even though it’s a cheap and temporary feeling.
