Fifth of men aged 16-29 look favourably on social media influencer Andrew Tate

Boys and men from generation Z are more likely than older baby boomers to believe that feminism has done more harm than good, according to research that shows a “real risk of fractious division among this coming generation”.

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On feminism, 16% of gen Z males felt it had done more harm than good. Among over-60s the figure was 13%.

The figures emerged from Ipsos polling for King’s College London’s Policy Institute and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership. The research also found that 37% of men aged 16 to 29 consider “toxic masculinity” an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the number of young women who don’t like it.

“This is a new and unusual generational pattern,” said Prof Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute. “Normally, it tends to be the case that younger generations are consistently more comfortable with emerging social norms, as they grew up with these as a natural part of their lives.”

Link to study: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

  • kescusay@lemmy.world
    14624·
    11 months ago

    Seriously doubt this (and most polling these days). Gen Z is particularly unlikely to respond to polls or answer unknown callers in general. Until those issues in polling are solved, I take them with a grain of salt.

    • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      752·
      11 months ago

      Looks like this was an online poll where you get paid if randomly selected:

      Ipsos UK interviewed online a representative sample of 3,716 adults aged 16+ across the United Kingdom between 17 and 23 August 2023. This data has been collected by Ipsos’s UK KnowledgePanel, an online random probability panel…

      https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

      For what it’s worth, there’s a recent Gallup survey showing a similar trend that published a couple weeks ago:

      …Since 2014, women between the ages of 18 and 29 have steadily become more liberal each year, while young men have not. Today, female Gen Zers are more likely than their male counterparts to vote, care more about political issues, and participate in social movements and protests.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1

      • ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world
        231·
        11 months ago

        That’s an interesting thing to note. If the people more likely to approve of Tate and his message are the ones looking for easy money then that could indicate a degree of selection bias.

        • Daft_ish@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          The existence and popularity of people like Tate and toxic dating strategy shit might be an indication of how Gen Z is handling misogyny. It’s possible Gen Z hasn’t been exposed to misogyny in such heavy doses as the rest of us. Seeing your peers undervalued and objectified could sort of be an inoculation. There also might be a perquisite strong belief in equality component.

          For things like feminism, the battle is never over. Insidious ideals like misogyny needs to be constantly kept in check.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        107·
        11 months ago

        Your first link disagrees with the article you posted…

        And while younger people overall have a more favourable view of this phrase, there is a big gender divide in views among them: 37% of men aged 16 to 29 say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the 19% of young women who feel this way. Correspondingly, young women (47%) are considerably more likely than young men (29%) – or any other age category – to find it a helpful term.

        By contrast, views among older age groups vary less by gender – although older men are more likely than younger men to say “toxic masculinity” is an unhelpful term.

        It sounds like the only change is you get women are more supportive of feminism than older women…

        • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          191·
          11 months ago

          The first link is the study the article cites to. Also, I don’t think there’s a disagreement. The portion you cited refers specifically to “toxic masculinity,” whereas the article focuses on people’s reactions to “feminism.” Specifically, it mentions that 16% of Gen Z males felt feminism had done more harm than good, compared to 13% among those over 60, to support its claim.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
            65·
            11 months ago

            Looked at the pdf …

            The public think the oldest group of men are most likely to believe equal opportunities for women have gone too far – but it is actually men aged 30 to 59 men who are more likely to feel this way47% of the public think older men aged 60+ are most likely to believe attempts to give women equal opportunities have gone too far – the top answer given. But in reality, 20% of men aged 30 to 59 hold this view, compared with 13% of men aged 60+.

            For 16-29, it’s 5%

            So yeah, still not sure why you’re using a string of different articles, but they don’t agree with you main post bud…

            • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
              14·
              11 months ago

              I’m not sure what you’re arguing anymore. I said the article focuses on the “feminism” portion of the study. This new portion you cited to is about “equal opportunities.” Look at page 15 of the PDF where it specifically shows 16% for men aged 16-29 vs. 13% for men aged 60+ with respect to “feminism” (the point of the article).

              • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                61·
                11 months ago

                Thank!

                I saw the survey was just British respondents, but I didn’t know that question was specifically about British culture…

                Sorry, it’s really hard to follow all the omissions and misrepresentations a survey went thru to get to the post you decided should be the main one.

                But yeah, older people are going to remember what it was like 40 years ago and can see the good feminism has done.

                A teenager would have know first hand knowledge how bad it was even a decade ago.

                • MicroWave@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                  5·
                  11 months ago

                  No worries! Sorry if my tone sounded harsh. Yeah, I agree with you that new articles can sometimes have tunnel vision.

      • xor@infosec.pub
        21·
        11 months ago

        and how many people will click on an ad or email saying you’ll get paid to take a poll?
        is that a representative portion of the population or a very niche subgroup of desperate, gullible or extremely bored people?
        how/where was it advertised?
        …
        polls don’t have to be bullshit, but they always are…

        • lud@lemm.ee
          3·
          11 months ago

          It sounds like you are sent the poll by snailmail and/or you are “recruited” that way and are then sent multiple polls over sometime.

          https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-knowledgepanel

          It’s hard to get random people’s emails and still be sure that the samling is good. This way seems more reliable. The few serious polls I have ever been sent by the National Bureau of Statistics has always been sent by snailmail (or technically digital snailmail which is connected to my digital ID)

          • xor@infosec.pub
            1·
            11 months ago

            technically digital snailmail which is connected to my digital ID

            do you mean e-mail? or is this some UK thing?

            • lud@lemm.ee
              2·
              11 months ago

              No, it’s a free service you sign up for which delivers all the snailmail you get from governments and others to a digital mailbox instead. It’s like instant snailmail.

              It functions using an app or website instead of email, so you login by verifying your ID and not a password. I think the service is fairly common where I live.

              You can also get some receipts via that service.

              The service automatically organises all your mail into folders for each sender and separately for receipts and payments. Sender folders wouldn’t work well for email because you get email for a lot of people and companies but with this service I have only collected 16 different senders over 3 years.

              You can also share your digital mailbox with other people.

              It’s very convenient and saves time and paper. So I highly recommend checking if anything similar exists where you live.

              I don’t live in the UK so I don’t know if they have anything like it.

                • lud@lemm.ee
                  2·
                  11 months ago

                  No, they send it through the service. Nothing ever gets printed.

                  The different companies and government organisations do have to support it though.

                  There are a few different companies that deliver the same service, the biggest (and first?) one is apparently used by almost half of the country’s population. Pretty much every service supports all the governmental organisations. Company support varies more.

                  One of the smaller (not small) service provider is owned by the goverment. I am thinking of switching to that one but I haven’t bother yet.

                  Apparently at least one of the smaller providers supports scanning of all physical mail but I have never had that.

            • iAmTheTot@kbin.social
              286·
              11 months ago

              You just said you’d answer it however they want you to. The way they want you to is truthfully.

              • undercrust@lemmy.ca
                112·
                11 months ago

                LOL, this dude’s been lucky enough to never read a strategically worded political poll apparently.

                All polls are inherently biased in their wording. Almost no poll-makers are non-partisan, and the people most likely to complete polls are often the most biased.

                Statistics baybeee! They’ll tell you whatever you want if you structure your intake datum properly!

                • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  3·
                  11 months ago

                  LOL, this dude’s been lucky enough to never read a strategically worded political poll apparently.

                  So why did women and men respond completely differently, if not because… they feel that way?

                • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world
                  15·
                  11 months ago

                  What you meant is being communicated clearly. Why you think it’s some sort of conspiracy against big feminism or some shit is the confusing part.

                  They just want you to answer the poll legitimately.

                • iAmTheTot@kbin.social
                  6·
                  11 months ago

                  No, I don’t. You said you’d do whatever they want if they paid you, then immediately said you wouldn’t do it truthfully if they paid you to answer truthfully. It’s nonsensical.

            • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              Of course not. Why would I care about telling the truth as long as I was getting paid?

              So is it just the men who are lying ‘to get paid’, or are the women too?

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                13·
                11 months ago

                I didn’t say they were lying to get paid, I said if someone paid me, I would answer however they wanted me to answer. I speak for no one but myself.

        • astral_avocado@lemm.ee
          10·
          11 months ago

          Good polling can be formated in a way to weed out people giving nonsense answers, it’s like the first thing you learn about polling in sociology or psychology, how to extract quality data.

    • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
      91·
      11 months ago

      Do you have any reason to believe zoomers’ willingness to respond to polls (compared to other zoomers) is correlated with their views on feminism?

    • rambaroo@lemmy.world
      32·
      11 months ago

      There are multiple studies showing the same thing. Denying it isn’t going to change anything.

      • stoly@lemmy.world
        3·
        11 months ago

        That is NOT what they are saying. They are suggesting that the methodology may have been wrong, which is a perfectly reasonable question that EVERY person should ask themselves EVERY SINGLE TIME they hear about a study releasing results.