It’s hard to find “fit” people anymore. Walking around some grocery stores is mind blowing. I honestly feel bad for people. The “food” we have is shit and life is getting busier and busier.
The healthy food options are also usually twice the cost too.
ditch all the sugar drinks and drink plane old water, like out the toilet.
Rice and beans can be made in 1000 different ways. $1/lb uncooked.
Eating out is almost never a healthy option.
Healthy and expensive don’t correlate in my outlook. I spend less eating better. Factor in not eating out and my pockets are fat, but not my ass.
Eating out is almost never a healthy option.
This is a big deal people often don’t realize. Even something as simple as an alfredo pasta will have way too much butter in it when you order it at a restaurant. (Why do you think it tastes so good?) An entire stick of butter for a single serving is quite common.
Not only is cooking for yourself significantly cheaper than ordering food, you are also significantly more aware of the calories you are putting into the food.
And that wouldn’t even be so bad if we ate a reasonable portion of it. But cooking at home is preferable.
Even something as simple as an alfredo pasta will have way too much butter in it when you order it at a restaurant.
Hell no. It will have too little and probably doesn’t contain proper parmesan, either. Also it’s not actually simple, it’s minimalist, but hard to actually get right – Italian cuisine in a nutshell. I almost wanted to say “and be extended by starch slurry” but then realised that pasta water vs. starch isn’t really something one should complain about, if anything that’s a fault of sub-par noodles… anyway:
The butter unhealthy / saturated fat unhealthy thing is due to plant fat manufacturers trying to sell hardened fats as healthy giving us the wonders of trans fats, flanked by the sugar industry’s “fat makes fat”. While I’m at it the cholesterol stuff is the equivalent of “dead firefighters found at conflagration site, thus, abolish the fire department”. Not to mention that dietary cholesterol has no correlation to blood cholesterol. And how could I forget the tobacco industry which was very successful in blaming the cardiac arrest epidemic on anything but smoking by concern trolling the scientific process.
There’s processed foods which are perfectly fine but as an experiment try avoiding anything that has been invented in the last 100 years or so for a while and observe the difference. There’s certainly restaurants around which cook like that but it’s not going to be the ones people with two jobs eat at.
Oh and I don’t think the science is completely in yet but it seems that the “gluten intolerance” epidemic is due to increased use of glyphosate directly before harvest to make wheat grow faster: It’s not the gluten but some people’s stomach just don’t take the residue as well as others. So YMMV on being able to get proper ingredients for that experiment.
But I’m sure the free market will fix everything.
Too many people think eating healthy means broccoli needs to be 100% of your calories.
I prefer plain water myself. Not your bougie plane water.
“If you want to be healthy, you must suffer and just eat beans and drink toilet water”
What a great argument for healthy living.
Go into the produce isle for once, veggies are cheap…fish and chicken is cheap. A single trip to McDonald’s for 2 is like $25 or more now. You can get like 6 or 7 whole chicken breasts for that price and have money for potatoes and fresh veggies.
This is so fucking false its hilarious.
It’s cooking – cooking is cheaper. Cooking anything is cheaper than buying boxes.
Cooking costs time and energy, which not everyone can afford.
That’s a different argument and much more valid.
Beyond the time/energy cost, you’re comparing two different things: cooking healthy food from scratch vs. buying boxed ‘unhealthy’ food. Buying boxed ‘healthy’ food is more expensive than buying boxed ‘unhealthy’ food, and cooking ‘unhealthy’ food is cheaper than cooking ‘healthy’ food.
For example: I could make a huge mess of white rice and oil very cheaply and quickly. Every other ingredient I add will raise the cost and time investment. People say, “oh, just throw in some eggs/grilled chicken breast/fresh veggies and you have a cheap healthy meal!” but it’s still a lot more expensive to do that (in both money and time) than to just make rice.
Until you go on vacation to a “poor” country where it suddenly costs virtually nothing.
Are Avocados a conspiracy?
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Which is why all known “advanced” civilisations (scare quotes for lack of better term) have formed around some kind of grain. Wheat in Egypt spreading to Europe, rice in Asia, Maize in the Americas: All basically don’t spoil when stored properly, because dry they can be transported well, and they’re also all nicely divisible. Ask the Irish whether the English wanted them to pay taxes in grain or potatoes.
Domestically produced crops tend to be much cheaper. Think corn in the US. The stuff is so cheap they even turn much of it into sugar for foods and ethanol for cars.
Perks of living where all the food is produced.
If you need to eat half as much it kind of works out though.
Depends where you live in the U.S.
IME, it seems the coastal states have highest density of fit people.
Ironically, I’ve never seen more jacked dudebros in my entire life. Wherever I go, there are at least a couple guys looking like MMA fighters.
I imagine it would be pretty easy to take the list of what people buy/eat and their health issues and see clearly what foods are causing what health problems.
I bet the average cashier would even be able to point out the worst products.
But never, ever, will that happen. Grocery store is full of dead animals and animal proteins and cancer look to go hand in hand. The other big one is sugar. People are hooked on it like cocaine.
It’s not just any regular sugar, it’s that high fructose corn syrup that’s the killer. Consuming a bit of sugar here and there isn’t that bad, but consuming something that is foreign to the body and accumulates in the liver is a whole new level of fucked up.
Farmer: Scratches crazily Y’all got any more of them corn subsidies?
The irony being that they suffer from the effects the worst.
It’s not really foreign many fruits have an even worse fructose/glucose ratio than HFCS.
The thing about fructose is that unlike glucose the body can’t burn it (pretty much) as-is, it first has to be processed by the liver, and that via turning it into fat. Evolutionarily that wasn’t an issue: Fruit appears in summer, exactly the time when you want to get fat to then have some storage for the winter, what the system isn’t made for is consuming the stuff all the time.
That is, HFCS in winter should be just as suspect to you as strawberries in winter.
True. And lot of these fruits come with fibers, which helps in slowing down the absorption of the sugars. That’s why I barely eat grapes and any fruit that is low on fiber, nor drink any juice, period. You’re right, though.
yeah, It’s processed sugars like HFCS. It is not the same as sugar found in whole foods. Like cocaine is not the same as the plant it comes from.
While high fructose corn syrup isn’t great for you, it’s clearly not the problem. The US domestic use of HFCS peaked in the 90s, yet obesity has continued to skyrocket.
See US Foods vs UK foods. They’re cramming us full of the absolute cheapest, addictive shit they possibly can legally get away with.
https://foodbabe.com/food-in-america-compared-to-the-u-k-why-is-it-so-different/
The UK also has a obesity epidemic…and so does the entire EU basically… it’s not what we eat, it’s how much we eat and how little people are moving these days.
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Maybe but that entirely ignores that capitalism has been marketing to them with commercials and coupon clubs for decades and that these products advertise themselves as things they are not because the government is in cahoots with the ag industry and happily deregulates so JBS can sell more meat to chinas growing demand. How can we over look this? How about the got milk campaign? sugar drink advertised as health food by the government for decades 67% of people are allergic to. More context there is that one particularly marginalized group of americans is 3-4x as likely to be allergic, so it isn’t not a racial issue also.
I cook rice in a rice maker, and beans in a crock pot. It really doesn’t get tougher. Like at some point it has to get put on a plate or in a bowl and then some would have to use tools like forks and spoons to get it into their mouths. Then there are the dishes, oh man who wants to wash dishes, think of all that time saved. /s
Here we go again, giving no accountability. Yes, healthy food is more expensive, but that doesn’t mean fat people didn’t eat themselves fat.
The Internet will bend over backwards to ignore the algebra of calories. Base metabolic rates are basically identical between all humans. The lie of a “fast metabolism” is not why some people are skinny.
People are fat because they consume more calories than they burn. Blaming someone else doesn’t fix it.
“Oh gosh, I don’t drink soda and rarely eat treats, why am I still fat?” Because you eat too much for your daily expenditure.
I get what youre saying, but people are fatter in America than their counterparts in European countries. Is it more realistic to suppose we as humans are different across the pond, or is the lifestyle enforced and the additives allowed within the food Americans eat contributing to the difference?
I think diet is a part of it, but car culture and fast food is the biggest difference. Many developed European countries still rank much higher than the US in steps taken per day. Plus, fast food is usually a treat and not the default with a drive thru. It is back to the algebra of calories in the end.
You’re speaking from your very tiny corner of the world. I understand that there are people who fall under whatever you said, but a big chunk just don’t have the time to give a single fuck about how healthy their food is, or they can’t afford it money and time wise. Some people do multiple jobs and have kids. I get what you mean, though.
Yes, but not thinking about your food choices is the problem. If I get fast food, I don’t get the double quarter pounder, large fries, and a drink. I get a single cheeseburger and an iced coffee with only cream. People act like being hungry is torture, but if you meet your caloric needs, that should be enough.
Personally, I want to get drunk every day and all the time. My brain screams at me to go buy booze. I chose not to drink today.
Yep we all eat too much. I started counting calories and found out that I was eating twice as much as I should have. It’s not obvious and every place serves big portions.
I’ve been counting calories for the last few months, and that was my big realization as well. I could have easily put down a single meal at a restaurant which is my entire (or more) daily intake now.
More than anything it’s just awareness.
I’m counting calories too, it’s not even the amount but it’s that some foods are total calorie bombs. You can pretty easily ingest a day’s worth of calories in a single meal at the restaurant without really feeling like you overate, but if I pay attention and select my foods properly I can feel like I ate plenty and be under 1500cal a day.
One of the subs I miss from Reddit was volume eating- it had tons of tips for low calorie high volume meals so you don’t feel restricted
Try recipes of levante cuisine. It’s healthy, low of calories & fat and eco-friendly.
https://amazingfoodanddrink.com/classic-dishes-levantine-cuisine/
I find the premade mixes from Birdseye (sold basically everywhere that has frozen food) to be a pretty good lazy way to get a big meal. Usually a decent mix of meat, veggies, and grain, but the whole bag (3 servings) is only like 600-900 kcal. Sometimes it feels like an obscene amount of food for the calorie count.
Not bad for what’s basically a microwave dinner.
Personally I am a broccoli freak and as fresh produce it is much cheaper than frozen at least where I’m at.
Plus daikon radish is also available here cheap and that surprised me.
A lot of roast veggies and soups make for a budget friendly filling low cal meal.
It’s not just that we eat “too much” but also that we’re eating too much non-nutritive foods. The United States has entirely too many so-called “food deserts” where people are unable to purchase healthy foods
I was eating twice as much as I should have.
how do you define what a “should have” amount is?
They likely used a metabolic calculator online, but if you track your Total Daily Energy Expenditure you can get a more accurate, personal estimate.
Bought a kitchen scale, bathroom scale and used the “lose it!” app to count calories. Lost weight.
I just used an online calculator. It said something like 1500 kcal a day for my activity level to maintain weight.
I don’t really count calories, but I do look to get a general idea of what a meal or a snack is. Sometimes I’m way over, sometimes I’m way under, it’s all about balance and being in the ballpark.
But we can’t seem to feed all children 3 meals a day in the US.
While I think we should be able to, particularly for growing children, I’m not so sure that 3 meals a day is a healthy diet.
Or at least it’s hard to find small enough meals to be reasonable to eat three of in a day, short of making it yourself.
Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Is that too much?
For me? Yes. At least I gain too much weight. I generally do one or two and still get told I’m overweight by my doctor, despite one of those “meals” being like a salad or a couple of bananas, despite also exercising. Always a bit hungry but still told to lose weight.
It’s really frustrating, in my country not only are we the most obese in the region, we’re also the most diabetic. A huge double whammy that’s burdening the healthcare system
Let me guess, UK?
Nope, Malaysia
Too much nutrition!
It’s not too much nutrition, it’s too much food with little nutritious value
Thank you for the recommendation! I actually make some of these without realizing- one of my go tos is sheet pan shawarma bowls.
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