US consumers remain unimpressed with this progress, however, because they remember what they were paying for things pre-pandemic. Used car prices are 34% higher, food prices are 26% higher and rent prices are 22% higher than in January 2020, according to our calculations using PCE data.
While these are some of the more extreme examples of recent price increases, the average basket of goods and services that most Americans buy in any given month is 17% more expensive than four years ago.
If you want to know why Americans are bummed out about their purchasing power, just look at this chart about how wages abruptly stopped increasing with productivity 45 years ago. People are accomplishing more than ever before in history and being left with less buying power. In many cases wages don’t even keep pace with inflation because companies pay based on what they can get away with, not what the work is worth.
I could work two hours a day and still get all my tasks done. I could do that, go to my next job, and do another two hours of work and double my income. But because I have to have my butt in a chair in an office eight hours a day on the off chance my boss thinks of something additional for me to do, I’m stuck being four times more inefficient than I need to be.
This is the answer. For 50 years now wages have remained stagnant while productivity has gone up through the roof. We are being robbed decade after decade, and by now claims of “strongest economy” feel like slaps in the face. Many of us are earning more than ever before, yes, but also have less purchasing power than ever before.
Remember that in the 1950s a high school grad could support a family of 4 with a house and car on a single income. That’s how much has been taken from us by the rich and corporations.
Except that doesn’t explain how as soon as there’s a Republican president, people suddenly think the economy is great.
Alternate headline: “Why Humans Dislike Being Poor”
Americans are right now at some of the best economic times, so that’s surprising
I’m so tired of repeatedly posting this but you fucknuggets just refuse to learn.
America has a ridiculous growth in the number of millionaires these last 10 years.
And nearly ALL of them are children from wealthy families.
They skew the median income bracket making it look like most Americans are making 65k+ a year.
This isn’t the case, and 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
And people like you are actively trying to hide this.
Look, if the median is 70K it means 50% of households are making this much
That’s what median means
Median as you’re using it doesn’t tell us much beyond a very general bit of information.
For example both of these data sets have 5 as a median. But in the second one you would not say 5 is representative of half the country.
[1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9]
[1,1,1,1,5,5,6,8,9]
The whole point of using median is that 0 is fixed, but the upper bound is not, so median is way better than average.
So sure in your example it is not a good measurement, but your example does not represent the real world distribution.
The real word distribution of wealth is actually kind of insane.
And that’s forcing people into Quintiles. When you look at the income distribution before the median it becomes very clear it’s not a straight slope or at least not in the good way. This was ten years ago. As you can see the median does not represent the mode. Which is what people think of when you say median.
I’ve never heard of anyone mixing up mode and median, it’s always mean and median.
Yes, but the average is HIGHER than the median so it’s more like [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 12, 15, 22]
Well yeah, those weren’t meant to be representative. That would look something like,
[1,1,2,2,5,6,7,15,22]
It’s more like [2x10, 3x20, 4x20, 5x10, 6x10, 7x5, 8x5, 9x5, 10x5, 12x5, 13, 15, 20, 40, 200]
70k is not enough in many states anymore.
I’m a Europoor, and 70k USD wouldn’t be “comfortable” even here. Maybe in Eastern Europe, but rents and house prices are soaring there as well, so I’m not sure.
That’s right, but the average in those more expensive states is also higher. But I do agree the states that don’t build new housing (the states where rents grow faster) are not affordable
I think you are mistaking median and mean.
The median household income is 70K+, not the mean
There is a disconnect between the statistics and reality. I am not sure where, but I suspect inflation is not being calculated correctly. It may be that lower cost items rose at a higher rate, so even though it averages out, it’s harder to reduce spending. 17% doesn’t seem to match the numbers I’ve seen for take out and home prices for example.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what’s on a chart it matters how many things people had to choose to not buy or do because they couldn’t afford it.
Didn’t they just adjust the whole inflation index again to not count a bunch of significant things? It’s a joke.
Same with unemployment. It only counts “able individuals who are actively searching for a job”. A lot of people aren’t included in those numbers when they should be.
The inflation index is and has always been a metric for the rich.
The reason that most of the excluded things are not goods or services the wealthy use is so that those companies can profit more from the already economically burdened all while shaming those same burdened people by saying 'You can’t be struggling, inflation has ONLY been 6%!
Sure for yachts and luxury cars the prices have barely changed but generic meat and fresh vegetables have literally doubled in price in 4 years while the high end offerings have gone up less than 20%.
CPI does not include yachts in its calculation
Food goes up 20%, Consumer electronics go down 20% and they’ll call it zero inflation. Not an exact example but an illustration of why things dont feel right. The things you have to buy most often are rising faster than the luxuries. Education, Healthcare, Housing it’s a similar story there.
Correction: Food goes up 20%, housing prices go up 80%, Consumer electronics go down 20% and they’ll call it negative inflation. The things most important to people and their biological survival are intentionally not part of the CPI so, they get ignored in most inflation reports.
EDIT: To be clear, the CPI tracks “in-place” or active rent paid by tenants plus utilities (and subsidies, where applicable). It does not track current asking prices or purchase price as it considers purchasing a home to be an investment. This means that it is a very poor way of measuring the housing situation.
Rent/housing is like a third of CPI, it’s already being taken into account. Remember, CPI already talked into account these numbers, including higher food costs. But it also takes into account that energy costs did not increase as quickly. Even if some things went up 30%, if other things go up 10% the average can’t possibly be 30%
Also consumer spending is very strong in America right now, so even if some people can’t afford things, other people are way outspending them
The CPI only takes rental prices into account, not home purchases or rental values. Additionally, it only captures active rentals, not asking prices, meaning that it has significant lag and is a poor indicator for trends in rental prices.
This is true, but the average person is paying a mortgage or rent, not moving every single month so the current rental price is the most relevant to people’s expenses
There is a disconnect between the statistics and reality.
No, there is a disconnect between statistics and perception.
The statistics are reality.
That is a shocking take in my opinion, one that borders on delusional. Statistics are the result of specific metrics collected by people who chose what specific data points to collect, the methods of collecting those metrics and chose the methods of presenting the data. They can reveal interesting aspects of reality that aren’t otherwise obvious and can depict a fairly accurate representation of reality as a whole if they are created in ernest using sound data collection techniques, but I’m pretty sure that the most qualified data scientists will disagree with the statement that “statistics are reality”. Especially if anyone in control of any part of that process has significant motivation for them to depict something specific.
Statistics are only meaningful when you put them into context of their intent, limitations and error rate.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics
And even if the statistics hold true in aggregate, it’s not the full picture and can’t accurately describe or predict individual experiences. Perception is anecdotal, so it is not a perfect depiction of reality either. But if perception does not match the data, it’s an indicator that the data might be suspect.
but I’m pretty sure that the most qualified data scientists will disagree with the statement that “statistics are reality”.
Only because scientists are absurdly cautious in nature.
Statistics are reality when compared with a different interpretation that is wildly diverging from all statistics. Fuck the equivocation and the “maybe” and the “suggest that possibly”. On something this stark, we can use very clear language:
The statistics represent reality. The complaining about the economy represents perception.
I feel like you’re putting me in a position to argue against the scientific method, but I don’t think that’s actually the case. Statistics can be scientific, they can also be wrong. The scientific process allows for skepticism. To not consider questioning the methods given opposing perspective is not scientific, it’s dogmatic.
The statistics may very well be accurate, but your level of faith in them is disturbing.
You’re suggesting that since statistics are fallible, it’s entirely possible that the sun doesn’t shine during the day, despite the wealth of evidence that the sun does in fact shine during the day.
No. Fuck that. The cautiousness of the “global warming is just a theory” scientists enabled the regressive anti-science bastards. I’m not placing the whole of the blame on the scientists. I’m just saying that equivocating when there is a preponderance of evidence can have real world harm by giving credence to fabrications.
If we were in a situation where we all agreed on a basic level about the general accuracy of the statistics, then we could drill down into what, specifically, is more accurate than others. I definitely have my qualms about how the CPI is calculated for example, and how the unemployment rate is calculated.
But when we’re in a situation where bad faith actors are trying to discredit the broad findings that all the stats and scientists agree on, we need to close ranks and tell them in no uncertain terms that they are wrong.
Corporate price gouging
Ding ding ding. I have no idea where they’re pulling these numbers from when my grocery bill has doubled since the pandemic. I wish it was only 26% higher.
Yeah I agree, anecdotally my wife and I spend roughly $200 a trip when we used to spend about $100. It may not be exactly double but it’s very close.
That’s pretty much exactly my experience. I’m a perpetually single dude so it’s just me, but my weekly bill went from ~$60 to ~$100 and it hasn’t budged since.
Supply and demand is such a fucking disgusting “theory” that is only used as an excuse to raise prices, never to lower them…
Amen to that brotha.
Middle class is the new poor. Shit broke in the 70s and it ain’t likely to get fixed. Get used to it.
Yeah, y’know, just kinda bummed out.
Bit mitted about it.
I’m not a R but the Democrats seriously need to stop pushing this shitty “economy is awesome” narrative. Because everytime someone hears it who isn’t feeling the economy, it makes them hate the Democrats a little more. Staying home and not voting because your candidate has pissed you off, is just as bad.
For anyone who hasn’t recieved a 20% pay increase, the economy is not good. In fact you’d need about a 35% to 50% pay increase to be feeling the same as you did pre pandemic. If you job hopped during the super awesome fun times of Covid hiring and got a boost in salary, then yeah you’re new salary offset by new higher prices makes the economy feel better than it was.
But if you’re the majority of people who did not get 50% adjustments, you are having a bad time. You are factually worse off financially than you were.
The idea of blaming who or what made the bad economy is a lost game. Bush tanked the economy, Obama got the blame. Trump tanked the economy, Biden got the blame. But just because Biden didn’t tank it, doesn’t mean it isn’t tanked.
There is nobody, not a single person, I know of that is doing better today than 2020.
It’s the gaslighting that’s pissing people off. “The economy is great!” … “For who?!”
I’m doing better. Though I did switch jobs in 2020 and 2022, which offset most the inflation.
Yes you’d be one that job hopped during the best time to. Before layoffs with huge increases. For you with 2 hops even with high inflation, you’re probably better off. Which is awesome. But abnormal.
I did increase my salary by close to 50%! I still hate it. I still can’t get out of debt without spending the next 5 years repaying it and you bet your ass I’m not seeing a possibility to ever buy a house unless I land a unicorn local first time buyer scheme which I imagine has a massive demand for.
Shit is fucked. I’m in the top 1 or 2% but so much of my money goes to rent in a tiny ass village with a 30 min commute that the situation is just depressing.
So you’re making 200k+ a year and can’t afford to pay your debts? Sounds like a money management issue with that kind of salary. To put it in context a modest rent of $2000 a month would be about 24000 a year out of your 138000 take home pay. So either you’re not in the top 2 percent or something’s fishy.
People accrue debt during bad times then have to pay it during good times, but often couldn’t have made it through to those good times without spending on the way. I am still paying off the accrued deficit from when we had a family of 4 living on 15k a year, then later 6 on 50k, we were always so close to ok but not quite and year after year it accrues. Well during that time I went to university, made more but still not enough for a family, eventually split with my ex, now in a functional 2 earner plus couple of part time jobs situation we are sorta raking it in now but both still paying for when we were not.
People who make good money probably didn’t always make good money. People who raised other people also take a financial hit for awhile. I’m assuredly better off from having kids, wouldn’t have bothered getting the degree and better job without them, but the payoff is slow not immediate.
That’s why there are bankruptcy protection laws. If you have a debt you cannot pay off you should strongly consider bankruptcy. Your credit can recover in a couple of years.
Because capitalism inherently brings corruption, and when a bubble bursts the fever goes down and we think things are OK… until the next bubble
The bubble will burst eventually, it’s just a matter of when. Unfortunately it’s not next week.
Yep, then enter goverment “action”, the regular news cycle and then once everyone calms down shit will just go back to business as usual until the next bubble
Looking at history, Id rather say humans bring corruption regardless of the system we’re using.
There was no time or system ever where corruption wasn’t a thing.
This is true and Socialism isn’t a silver bullet, it always falls on the people to make whatever political model work.
That’s why you gotta buy high and sell low, like I do!
My rent is 93% higher than it was in 2019
80% higher for me. It went up 29% from November alone
They really be cherry picking the numbers to tell us everything is fine and we’re the ones who are wrong.
They’re taking averages, that is literally the opposite of cherry picking. If your experience doesn’t match the national average that doesn’t mean the average is wrong
Yea, most of these estimates I’ve seen are wildly understanding the increased costs of everything.
Tbf these are national averages and rent increases are highly localized.
My rent gone up 11% since 2019. Which is good, because I already can’t afford medical care.
My sister’s rent has gone up almost exactly 50% in the same time period.
bummed out just seems like a wildly inappropriate phrase for this topic
the average basket of goods and services that most Americans buy in any given month is 17% more expensive than four years ago.
That’s 4% per year
And now much has pay gone up?
They claim it’s gone up more than that, but I’m very curious where they’re getting these numbers.
Here’s US bureau of labor statistics:
Pay went up faster than inflation compared to before the pandemic
It’s gone up more than 4% per year for the past 3 years. Even the article mentions a 5% increase when accounting for inflation. Though that seems high; the article is a mess.
BLS:
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Compensation costs up 4.0 percent from December 2020 to December 2021
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Compensation costs up 5.1 percent from December 2021 to December 2022
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Compensation costs for civilian workers increased 4.2 percent for the 12-month period ending in December 2023
Obviously this is flawed as we don’t have data for December 2024. 2019-2020 wasn’t a great time overall, but really we need the data for March to March, etc.
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This was at my grocery store the other day in the LA area.
It’s literally just wheat meal with honey, it costs literally 12 cents a box to make.
The packaging is more expensive.
But capitalism says ‘lol it’s ok to charge whatever!’.
And 1/3 of the internet will defend them for ‘reasons’.
And 1/3 of the internet will defend them for 'reasons
I’m one of the people that often jumps in on posts like these. It’s hardly defending them, hear me out.
I’m not in the us, I looked at that picture for 45 seconds straight to understand what’s wrong with it, I assume it’s the price but I have no idea what that shit is so I had to read all the words on the package to understand if it was another issue…
The good news is that your life doesn’t depend on eating this shit. Don’t like the price, don’t buy it.
I hate how a serious issue, prices are going up is diluted down by people bringing in stupid arguments like Starbucks “coffee” costing a fortune or Netflix jacking up prices. My point I am not defending Graham, Starbucks nor Netflix, just stop buying overprinting that you don’t need or if you really do, stop complaining.
Now if we want to talk about the price of actual groceries, like fruit vegetables and meat we can all have a serious convo
hear me out.
I don’t think I will.
Well that 1% guy wasn’t joking when he said “You will own nothing and be happy.” Except for the “you will be happy” part. They’re doing this to us on purpose and they have their reasons.
Is it because of the economy? That’s my first guess.
No, because we have some of the best economy ever
We’ve had higher median real incomes than Q4 2019 since Q3 2022
The whole 2020 decade so far has higher incomes than any point in US history
It’s because we’ve let foreign agents control the social media narrative.
