The state of Missouri on Tuesday executed Brian Dorsey for the 2006 murders of his cousin, Sarah Bonnie, and her husband, Benjamin Bonnie, after an effort to have his life spared failed in recent days.
Dorsey’s time of death was recorded as 6:11 p.m, the Missouri Department of Corrections said in a news release. The method of execution was lethal injection, Karen Pojmann, a spokesperson for the department, said at a news conference, adding it “went smoothly, no problems.”
The execution of Dorsey, 52, occurred hours after the US Supreme Court declined to intervene and about a day after Missouri’s Republican governor denied clemency, rejecting the inmate’s petition – backed by more than 70 correctional officers and others – for a commutation of his sentence to life in prison.
Dorsey and his attorneys cited his remorse, his rehabilitation while behind bars and his representation at trial by attorneys who allegedly had a “financial conflict of interest” as reasons he should not be put to death. But those arguments were insufficient to convince Gov. Mike Parson, who said in a statement carrying out Dorsey’s sentence “would deliver justice and provide closure.”
This is what happens when you give the state the power of life and death over its citizens. Even the people who make up the low levels of power in the state have no actual voice when it comes to the state committing legally-sanctioned murder.
The state always has this power. How naive you are.
Really? Then why is Anders Breivik still alive?
Somehow, Norway has not murdered him despite the fact that he murdered dozens of children.
The death penalty is appropriate for child rapists.
And you believe you can prove every single time beyond any reasonable doubt that the accused child rapist you are putting to death is not innocent of the crime? How would you be able to do so?
Are you trying to argue that it’s okay to imprison innocent people but it’s not okay to execute them? Because even without the death penalty, these innocent people you’re referring to would just spend life in prison. I guess that’s acceptable to you?
What if they die in prison? Even if their case gets overturned, they could’ve spent decades in prison. Is that okay to you?
You can let someone out of prison. You can’t unkill them.
What about people who die in prison?
They generally do so when they’re older than the people who get executed for the same accused crime. Meaning there’s a chance they’ll have a life outside of prison if they’re innocent.
Again, you can’t unkill someone. You can, however, not intentionally kill them.
Meaning there’s a chance they’ll have a life outside of prison if they’re innocent.
Yeah, but what about those who don’t get that chance?
Nothing about what they said implies that this would be ok.
Problem with homicide is that it’s final. Someone falsely imprisoned has the chance of being let go. Anyone who is killed immediately loses that option.
Nothing about what they said implies that this would be ok.
False. He said we shouldn’t execute them because they may be innocent. That implies imprisoning them is okay, unless he thinks we shouldn’t imprison child rapists because they may be innocent.
Problem with homicide is that it’s final. Someone falsely imprisoned has the chance of being let go. Anyone who is killed immediately loses that option.
Okay. So it’s alright to punish innocent people as long as it’s not permanent?
Unless of course they die in prison, in which case…?
And also, losing decades of your life in prison is permanent. You don’t get that time back.
That implies imprisoning them is okay,
No it doesn’t.
So it’s alright to punish innocent people as long as it’s not permanent?
Nope.
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He was murdered by the state. That’s what the “death penalty” is. It’s state-sanctioned murder. Barbarous.
We also have state-sanctioned kidnapping, wherein the convicted are taken from their families and held against their will, sometimes for years at a time.
There are many good arguments against the death penalty. I don’t think those that just rephrase what is done in an emotional way are good ones.
And the whole property seizure without due process thing (civil forfeiture) although each of these is somewhat less important than the last.
no, you’re right, especially as nearly every single independent study agrees with your first paragraph.
Prison generates profit first, solves crime… well not second, maybe ninth? Sixteenth? A hundred and twenty eighth?
I mean, you could argue that even if the criminal justice system in the US were massively improved, there would still be no reason to have the death penalty. And yet there could still be good reason to keep imprisonment as a consequence for many types of crimes.
I’m curious what your alternative is.
I don’t think you want to tie getting rid of the death penalty to current inequities and private prison corruption unless in your ideal system it should make a return.
it’s not about “me” or “my” alternatives as I am not an expert. however, look at Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the Netherlands and New Zealand.
The kidnapping analogy also applies to the Nordic countries, the Netherlands, and New Zealand. They all have governments which detain people against their will.
you have absolutely lost my interest in this conversation if you’re going to flat out state that the Nordic system is identical to the US
But they didn’t say that though?
They pointed out those countries also have jails/prisons that detain people against their will. That isn’t the same as saying the systems are identical.
Murder means an unlawful killing, a lawful killing as in this case is the opposite of a murder. For an example of a true murder, look no further than the actions of the executed man: he killed his cousin and her husband after calling them for help.
He also had a well-documented history of mental illness, which would have been a defense to the death penalty, and an exemplary record as an inmate. More than 70 correctional officers signed the petition begging for him not to be murdered by the state.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being. The fact that someone signs a piece of paper that says it’s okay doesn’t change the nature of the act.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being.
I looked it up and every definition website includes that it has to be illegal to be considered murder. By your definition every instance of self-defense is murder.
And murder is the intentional killing of a human being
No it isn’t. Murder is illegal killing of someone else. No reasonable person is going to call you a murderer if you kill someone who is trying to kill you and you reasonably believe you have no other choice.
You’re thinking of the term homicide, which isn’t always murder.
Too bad they couldn’t kill him twice. Seeing as how he’s a double murderer.
Ex ept this smells like they got the wrong guy.
Oh well, more meat for the pile.
When I take control of Missouri, I will make existing as a human in Missouri a crime mandatorily punished by death.
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Something tells me you won’t be so gung-ho about saying that in the real world.
Probably because rational people will start looking at you funny, lol.
Why would he have problems saying this IRL?
Probably because rational people will start looking at you funny, lol.
Not sure what sociopaths you hang out with, but as long as you didn’t actually say it like a lunatic, I don’t think most people would look at you funny.
I’ve said a similar thing many times in the real world. Most people agree the state shouldn’t be deciding who lives and dies, a lot just because they are known to make mistakes and murder innocent people.
Rational people are actually the people against state sanctioned killings usually. Not the other way around.
Yeah, no.
Mention child rapists and they change their tune, real quick.
Nope. That’s just your terminally online experience.
Not really.
People who are in support of the death penalty baffle me. Next to no one is happy about the government right now, and you trust these people with the power to kill whoever they want?
You trust them to imprison whoever they want?
At least imprisonment can be ended.
There’s lots of countries without the death penalty so I don’t think you thought this out.
It’s insane to me that he couldn’t appeal on the basis of not having been provided an attorney with an incentive to work on his case.
This is why rich people so often avoid prison time.
… but poor people don’t.
Sorry, it was implied but felt unfinished.
Ya, it does not sound like he was given a fair trial.
it went smoothly, no problem
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I’m sure this bastard is a shit stain that deserves to be locked away for the rest of his life. Don’t let the state murder people, though. No death penalties, it’s a bad, bad idea that has been outlawed in civil nations. If the US ever wishes to become a civil nation, it needs to outlaw it too.
There are still states that carry out the death sentence by firing squad, and others that still use electrocution.
It may just be Oklahoma if I’m remembering correctly about the firing squad, and I think in these instances, it’s actually the prisoner’s choice, I have no idea how it actually works out.
But still, my point is, the states can’t even agree on a “humane” method of carrying out the death penalty, and some openly choose brutal methods… I can’t imagine a US completely free of the death penalty any time soon unfortunately.
We need to abolish the death penalty in this country. This simply should not be a thing we do.
is it really that much of a surprise that the most conservative and conservative christian states really love imposing the harshest old testament level punishments on as many people as possible?
forgiveness and rehabilitation? that sounds like something christ would do. fuck that, string him up on the old maple tree in the park so we can make an example out of him.
notice the same states proudly claiming to be pro life lead the nation in infant mortality, post birth mortality, and death sentences. it only shows that “pro life” only emphasizes the developing life, not any of it fully developed.
The death penalty is anti-christian imo. Man’s judgement is fallible and we are all made in the image of God.
And the masses that use religion to abuse others don’t give a shit.
Jesus would also be a raging socialist.
And the [blank] that use [blank] to abuse others don’t give a shit
Anyone can misuse anything to harm someone
Jesus would also be a raging socialist.
Jesus was more or less apolitical in the gospel (e.g. “render unto caesar what is caesar’s” )
He clearly states that to whom much is given much will be required though ergo almsgiving is a critical part of the faith.
He may have been apolitical for his time (you’d have to ask him personally to know), but many teachings align with socialism. It just relies on the individual to do it themselves instead of being state enforced. “you do you but also heaven won’t accept you if you don’t share wealth”. Final judgement would stand in for corporeal laws in this case. When people don’t subscribe to that and it actively lets people suffer, teachings might not be enough.
It just relies on the individual to do it themselves instead of being state enforced.
Pretty much this. Christ’s teachings focus on prayer, fasting and almsgiving at a personal and corporate (church) level regardless of which government is in power.
Shows how important branding is.
The state should not have the right to end your life if you pose no immediate harm to anyone.
Death isn’t justice. It’s just death.
I strongly agree with you. I’m not against assisted suicide the same way I’m not against it for non incarcerated people. The only time I would agree with nonoptional state enforced death penalty is if the person is such a danger that they can either not be contained or are somehow able to continue to do direct harm despite all efforts of containment. This would be like trying to imprison evil Superman or professor X. Extremes only fiction has been able to create. This person wasn’t even close. I am wary of assisted suicide for the incarcerated only because consent isn’t a strong value for prison systems and could be faked/forcibly encouraged etc.
Our country has gotten grim over the last decade, and if you don’t see it, that’s scary.
Conservatism has been on the rise. Conservatism is death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Missouri
Spoiler, it’s illegal
You just gotta wait till it commits 3 felonies.
I heard of this one. I can’t help but think that this guy was just killed because it will be cheaper in the long run to excute him rather then pay to keep him in prison. I dont think this was about mercy, rehabilitation or justice it was about profit and the value of human lives.
Karen Pojmann, I hope someone finds you smooth and no problem in a dark alley.
“Hey, now don’t kill anyone, or else we’ll kill you.”
It really is a weird take. Also, our justice system routinely jails people who are innocent. This reason is why I oppose the death penalty in most cases.
murica
ITT: Users who regularly advocate for actual physical violence and bloodshed over differences of opinion in the name of the “Paradox of Tolerance”, suddenly clutching their pearls in defense of a literal murderer and rapist.
Good riddance, shithead. Maybe should have thought twice about committing double murder and then rape.
