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    There is no way that murdering top Iranian officials in an Iranian embassy on Syrian soil was ever going to be anything but a gauntlet thrown down. If it was almost any other country than Israel the world would be outraged. Countries like the USA and Germany didn’t pull support because of things like destroying hospitals and killing innocents, so bombing the embassy of a country as reviled as Iran inside Syria wasn’t going to stop them.

    Netanyahu knows his days in power are done very shortly after Israel leaves a condition of all-out war. Biden has told him that, his polls tell him that, and protestors tell him that. I think he’s poking the local bears to escalate and stay in power by extending the conflict. Both Biden and Trump have promised support so Netanyahu is acting with the backing of the world’s largest military no matter who wins. Pulling the USA and other Western countries into another war in the Middle East is his best bet of pushing that day of reckoning way down the road.

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      This was a completely blatant provocation in order to move the theater to Iran and keep the war footing going. If Iran were smart, they’d make a quick foray to quiet home pressure then just pull back and let Bibi wind down and face his corruption trial if he gets forced out of leveling Gaza because of international condemnation.

      Israel, you can do better than this prick. Get your shit together or you’re going to get left to your own devices and the rest of the world will just come in and pick up the pieces afterwards.

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        I must admit my own ignorance about South American parallels, but I’m legitimately interested. I wouldn’t ask you to do my research for me, but do you have a good starting point to recommend?

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    Thanks, Israel for dragging world into a war just because your genocide.

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        No, I’m gonna thank the people who attacked an Iranian embassy. Fucking zionists and genocide apologists really love to jump at the chance to blame Hamas for everything, especially Israel’s own fuckups, huh.

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          Hamas could stop the invasion of Gaza at any time by releasing the hostages and disarming. Instead the Hamas leadership are big chillin in Qatar living the good life escalating the violence every chance they get.

          If Hamas hadn’t attacked Israel on October 7th, Hezbollah wouldn’t have ramped up rocket attacks on Israel in response to the Gaza invasion. Then Israel wouldn’t have needed to target the Iranian general helping to fund and coordinate the attacks from Syria.

          The middle east is a giant cluster fuck of bad actors being funded by Iran in an effort to destabilize the west and eradicate Israel. The west defends Israel because if they didn’t then the surrounding Arab states would absolutely destroy the country of Israel and do their best to enact a second Holocaust of any Jewish people they could get their hands on.

          There are no “good guys” in any of these conflicts, especially not Hamas or Iran. Because of Israel, Hamas, and Iran the Gaza civilians are being punished.

          Don’t say any stupid shit like I’m a Zionist or genocide apologists just because I understand that Hamas doesn’t really give a fuck about Palestinian civilians.

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            Hamas could stop the invasion of Gaza at any time by releasing the hostages and disarming. Instead the Hamas leadership are big chillin in Qatar living the good life escalating the violence every chance they get.

            I’m going to go out on a limb and assume you haven’t heard Netanyahu repeatedly say the hostages aren’t the end of it? That they have to destroy Hamas too? And that’s a pretty glib statement for the guys currently standing on the wrong side of the border.

            Just like the Russians saying Ukraine can end the war at any time with total surrender. Just let them win and do whatever they want then it will totally be over, we swear! There’s no way they will continue to kill civilians, occupy land that isn’t theirs, and bring in more settlers. /s

            The oppressors would love it if any resistance just went away.

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            I have oppositional defiance disorder. You are a zionist and a genocide apologist, big time.

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        Hamas did not bomb an embassy on foreign soil. Hamas has not been committing war crimes for the last 6 months.

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            Israel did bomb an embassy on foreign soil. Israel has been committing war crimes for the last 6 months.

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              I agree.

              I’m confused with the statement that Hamas has not been committing war crimes though: clarification about the last 6 months seems to be added for manipulative reasons.

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          Blindly shooting rockets at the civilian population in Israel for years, raping and murdering civilians on october 7th and using their own civilian population as human shields are few that come to mind.

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            IDF drops bombs on the homes of any man, killing entire families at once. “Human shields” do not exist, there is no point. The IDF has shown they will happily shoot through the civilians anyways.

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                Well most of it is unsubstantiated lies propagated by Israel, so yes. It is probable that Hamas has fired rockets into civilian areas, but I don’t think there’s any evidence on the rest of it.

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          Hamas has been launching missiles at apartments in Israel, for years.

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            Okay, well Israel glassed half the strip and killed 33,000 people. They went past self defense or even basic revenge about 32,000 people ago. Any other half-assed attempt to justify a genocide?

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              Biden has been on Netanyahu’s ass since the beginning but Israel keeps digging the hole deeper. Israel will discover, too late, that they doomed themselves - Biden tried and tried to tell them. Netanyahu, Putin and Trump are all cut from the same cloth. They are all losers waiting for the curtain to close on them.

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                Biden kisses Bibi’s ass you mean. Biden could have stopped this at any time by withholding weapons and money.

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              genocide

              According to the 1948 international genocide convention, genocide constitutes “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.”

              There were around 250,000 people in Gaza in 1948. There are now more than 2 million.

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                Holy shit, wow, it’s the exact same thing Nazis say about the Holocaust, just with different parties involved.

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                  Wow really? I must be a nazi then and you can just dismiss everything I said. Good catch!

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                There were 16 million Jews in Europe before the Holocaust. History tends to focus on how many were lost.

                I’m not waiting until after Israel succeeds at this before I call it what it is.

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              And Iran is sending dozens of drones and missiles because 16 Iranians were killed.

              Nobody is interested in limiting themselves to self defense.

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                On an embassy. And Iran’s targeting non civilian infrastructure. Which Israel hadn’t had the decency to do. Man, wherever you live has an education system that failed you completely.

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                  So? Human lives in embassies are not more precious than whoever Iran is trying to kill right now.

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            Do you think the IDF wasn’t murdering Palestinians before Oct 2023?

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              Whataboutism doesn’t change the fact that Hamas has been targeting Israeli civilian population with rockets for years. Two things can be true at the same time.

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                Did hamas limit the food, water, and electric going into Israel too? Was Hamas making settlements inside Israel? Was Hamas controlling the border and movement of Israelis? Was Hamas controlling the outcome of Israels elections?

                Hamas bad, but Israel made Hamas.

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                  Did hamas limit the food, water, and electric going into Israel too?

                  They would if they could. Instead they took the aid meant for their population and used it to build tunnels and rockets effectively resulting in the same thing except they’re doing it to their own population.

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                Not before they were created as a response to Israeli occupation in '87… Israel forced Palestinians into gaza and the west Bank in the late 40s. So around 50 years of trying to deal with occupation without Hamas. That’s a long time to be subjugated and not have some sort of extremist group gain power. So if we do the math… yeah israel and the colonial powers that helped create it have been the bad guy far more often than Hamas. By raw body count alone Israel comes out looking like a monster.

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          Moron. Hamas commit war crimes as a matter of course. How can you be so intellectually dishonest in your arguments?!

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        Fuck Hamas. But fuck Israel also. They’re not crazy idiotic islam nuts. They simply used what those islamist fuckers did to start genocide of innocent people. Fuck Netanyahu, fuck whole state if Israel. They got down to nazi level.

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          Yes, I think both sides are full of hatred for the other, they have been at de facto war for years, and they both think escalation is a good strategy.

          The results are predictable.

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    Nutshell:

    • Iran has launched more than 100 drones toward Israel.
    • The Biden administration expects Iran will also launch dozens of cruise missiles and dozens of ballistic missiles.
    • It will be hours before the drones arrive.
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      The Biden administration expects Iran will also launch dozens of cruise missiles and dozens of ballistic missiles targeting Israeli government sites, not civilians or religious sites, a US official said.

      TFW Iran is doing war stuff more humanely than Israel has been for the last seven months.

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        What if Israeli government sites were located inside the homes of Israeli civilians? What if Israeli military sites were located underneath Israeli hospitals? Would that grant Israel immunity against Iran? Because your line of reasoning would be that the only way to prevent war is to put civilians in harms way, as Hamas has done repeatedly.

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          Since we’re 'what if’ing, what if we bombed the shit out of every Israeli embassy in every country?

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          What if some people were giving food aid to Israel and they told Iran they were going to give aid…then their aid vans were bombed by Iran anyway?

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    Holy shit, the thread about this on .ml is absolutely disgusting. Masks are completely off.

    And I see all the hexbear .world alts are out in force in this thread as well.

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      I never understood why people constantly bring up other instances in threads. Why even mention it? If there’s no external attention on it, then it can be quarantined there

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    This entire war is a lesson that politicians who promote “security” over peace will end up with a less secure country than what they inherited.

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        Effective tactics but I’m not sure they have the strength to pull it off. Its extremely high risk so unless you have a critical mass of protestors only the most ardent supporters will show up and probably be outnumbered by cops.

        But I’m arm chair generaling here. I want to believe. Hope they have a bailfund set up.

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    I worry we’re weeks or months away from nuclear war at this point :( Sad day for humanity that these wars keep getting bigger instead.

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    I hope they’ll get what they deserve for everything they did in the last months. Genocidal state.

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      I hope their government does, however I do not support the inevitable impact this will have on their civilians.

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        Why? Fuck 'em I say. More ethnic Jews live in America, the rest of them could have just come here instead of insisting on that stupid chunk of contested desert. The settler types over there are the WORST.

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      I have a huge issue with the government of Israel, but I support the people of Israel. If piss poor government was grounds for total destruction then the US should’ve been annihilated during Trump’s presidency.

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        LMFAO do you think id disagree with the destruction of the us govt? nope burn that shit to the ground fuck the usa and fuck israel both deserve death

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      I agree.

      It’d be nice if the occupiers just left.

      I’m sure the world would be a much better place if they moved to the US.

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    It’s not retaliatory unless Israel has (recently) attacked Iran, which they haven’t. It should be considered revenge, not retaliation.

    Presumably Israel will respond in force. I’d hate to be living in Tehran right now.

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      unless Israel has (recently) attacked Iran

      Um, did you not see the part where they blew up a fucking Iranian consulate in Syria is which Iranian sovereign soil?!

      If you don’t consider that an attack, what would your thought be if someone attacked a US or Russian consulate in another country.

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      Didn’t Israel attacked Iran’s embassy in siria like 2 weeks ago?

      It should be considered revenge, not retaliation.

      Those are synonyms.

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      Isn’t attacking an embassy effectively the same thing as attacking directly on that country’s soil?

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      Tehran will be fine, but all of the power plants and other critical resources? if Israel can stuxnet the uranium enrichment system how difficult is it to take out basic infrastructure?