• Woozythebear@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is absolutely not something you want to happen. This could have devastating effects and I think enough is enough and the government needs to step in and take over running the airlines. It’s too important to leave gold hoarding dragons in charge of it.

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      Having the public lose trust in the safety of flying is something I absolutely want to happen. This will have devastating effects on carbon emissions, and push more people (and governments) towards trains.

      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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        Devastating is a bit of an exaggeration with it being responsible for a whooping 3% (at most) of emissions and arguably helping raise the albedo a bit with their contrails.

        So it would help a bit, it wouldn’t be a game changer though (except if you live near an airport, sound is another pollution that’s often ignored).

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        7 months ago

        I mean, I don’t think that’s the way to go about it. Trains don’t take me to my family across the planet in 11 hours. I’d prefer to feel secure when flying there.

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          Airbus will still be (mostly) safe. And I’m more concerned with the number of flights - particularly short flights that can be substituted by trains - than with flying per se. For long-distance travel, we don’t have a comparable alternative (yet).

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      Why promote flying? Why not invest heavily in really fast ground transportation? Let’s build a bullet train between major hubs so people have a choice. If there’s a serious competitor to flying, Boeing will have to improve or they’ll lose a ton of business.

      If the government takes over airlines or airplane manufacturing, we’ll just end up with lots of cronyism.

      I say start with LA to SF and LA to LV. The current infra there sucks, and there’s a lot of worthwhile stops along the way. Then perhaps upgrade NYC to DC and related lines. It’ll be incredibly expensive to roll out, but should be very cheap to run and maintain.

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        7 months ago

        Yeah, here we go. Trains are so much more pleasant. If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.

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          If they weren’t 10 times as slow I would never fly.

          We have the tech for high speed rail, we just refused to build it because of lobbying (bribery), regulatory capture, and forced dependence on cars and planes.

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          No, planes are good for that. But there’s a ton of domestic travel that could easily be replaced with a decent rail network.

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          Yes, it’s always going to be unfeasible to cross the Atlantic or Pacific by train.

          But the vast, vast majority of air journeys taken every day aren’t trans-oceanic ones. Most journeys are between destinations within the Americas or within Eurasia and Africa. There are an awful lot of journeys by plane that could be moved to trains if the infrastructure was right.

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      It’s not about trust in flying it’s about trust in Boeing. Slight difference.

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        Boeing was being brash until they got caught with their pants down.

        You know for sure that shit happens at other manufacturers but they kept it low, and they probably are tightening their QA to not fall to scrutiny.

        I hope that this will trigger heavy scrutiny from the different bodies across the world to make sure that this shit doesn’t happen anymore, but that hope is naive.

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          That seems to be a rather unfair assertion to make. Boeing seems to be unique amongst the big airlines in having these problems; and they’re relatively new problems for them too, in the grand scheme of things.

          I’ve never once heard of systemic issues of this sort at Airbus, and it seems lazy to do a “they’re all the same!” when this really does seem to be a Boeing problem first and foremost.

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          This happens every time a company focus shifts from building a good product to appeasing the shareholder gods. Capitalism kills.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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      The government already heavily subsidizes the “struggling” industry (that somehow still makes outrageous profits). The government really should exercise more control over the industry, given that they (we) pay a very high annual price for it to exist.

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      7 months ago
      1. Normal people work on planes
      2. Government takes over
      3. Government hires contractors
      4. Contractors are normal people
      5. Profit
    • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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      Welcome to this Boeing 737, thanks to government regulations each seat is fitted with a cop that will feel you up through the flight. If you don’t put your phone in airplane mode he or she will shoot you in the back 10 times only. 7 crashes per year is the legal limit and we already had 6 so you are all lucky!

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    I’m just waiting for the warcries of WWIII so I can buy Boeing stock as it bottoms out before daddy Warbucks saves them, and hopefully me! 🤞

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      I’m watching it since the door fell off, but it’s barely moving. It’s still in the price range it was in the last 4 years 🤷

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          yes, but the door fell off while it was already halfway down that slope. in fact, days after the door fell off, it stopped falling until about march. so i assume this is within it’s normal mid term volatility. when you look at the last 3 or 4 years, it’s going up and down around the range it’s in now. so if you buy now, considering only it’s past developments, it’s completely uncertain where it will go.

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      I’m just hoping fares go down so I can get s cheap holiday. As long as it cradhea on the way home I’m fine with it

  • WhyDoYouPersist@lemmy.world
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    I’ve had a lot of trouble searching for a concrete answer to this, but does anyone know what percentage of commercial jets in the US are made by Boeing? I know it’s a duopoly between them and Airbus, but to what extent is Boeing’s domination?

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      Unsubstantiated guess, but based on a cursory search for flights on Delta, it seems like 90% are Boeing.