• kshade@lemmy.world
    53·
    4 months ago

    For real though, containerization isn’t the only way to separate applications from each other but totally fine, it’s the “It works on my machine, so here’s my machine” mentality that doesn’t fill me with confidence. I’ve seen too much barely-working jank in containers that probably only get updated when a new version of the containerized application itself is released.

    • thehatfox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      4 months ago

      I like containers. But they do have a habit of nurturing cludgy temporary hacks into permanent infrastructure, by sweeping all the ugly bits under the big whale-shaped rug.

  • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
    493·
    4 months ago

    Weak one. Let’s ideate on a better version

    STOP DOING DOCKER

    • Virtualization was supposed to reduce the overhead, not create entire DevOps departments.

    • Years of containerization yet no real use over make clean; make build

    • Wanted to deploy your app in the “cloud” anyways for a laugh? We had a tool for it, it’s called rsync

    • Let’s run a virtual container in --privileged mode, so we can manage system resources from it – Statements dreamt up by utterly Deranged

    Look at what tech interviews have been demanding your Respect for all these years. (These are real documentation examples for how a simple virtualization supposedly works)

    ???

    ???

    ???

    –

    Hello, I would like to put 20 Terabytes of “images” into my /var/lib/, please!

    They played us for absolute fools!

  • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca
    262·
    4 months ago

    Docker exists because most programming languages don’t give a shit about producing easily executable outputs.

    Nobody cares about your stupid python egg or ruby gem. How do I run it on my local?

  • gencha@lemm.ee
    22·
    4 months ago

    Containers are a great way run applications.

    Docker is a piece of garbage by a company way too far down the enshittification slide.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    202·
    4 months ago

    Why does this feel like it’s a flat-earth slide? I haven’t looked at any flat-earth propaganda, but I strongly suspect that it looks a lot like this.

    That said, I’ll stick with my VMs regardless. I like simplicity.

      • namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev
        12·
        4 months ago

        I would vote for docker as well. The last time I had to inherit a system that ran on virtual machines, it was quite a pain to figure out how the software was installed, what was where in the file system, and where all the configuration was coming from. Replicating that setup took months of preparation.

        By contrast, with Docker, all your setup is documented. The commands that were used to install our software into the virtual machines and were long gone are present right there in the Docker file. And building the code? An even bigger win for Docker. In the VM project, the build environment for the C++ portion of our codebase was configured by about a dozen environment variables, none of which were documented. If it were built in Docker, all the necessary environment variables would have been right there in the build environment. Not to mention the build commands themselves would be there too, whereas with VMs, we would often have developers build locally and then copy it into the VM, which was terrible for reproducibility and onboarding new developers.

        That said, this all comes down to execution - a well-managed VM system can easily be much better than a poorly managed Docker system. But in general, I feel that Docker tends to be easier to work with than a VM. While Docker is far from flawless, there are a lot more things that can make life harder with VMs, at least from my experience.

        • Norgur@fedia.io
          16·
          4 months ago

          The absurd waste of resources VMs bring… LXC and Docker a godsend in that regard.

    • PoolloverNathan@programming.dev
      4·
      4 months ago

      Nix has flakes; nix run can contain pretty much all of the needed dependencies. If that’s not enough, you can set up an entire container as a module.

  • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
    12·
    4 months ago

    Meme gave me a laugh. XD

    I see people not happy with Docker as a company, and, I get that, tech co. Lol

    But I gotta admit, it’s definitely been awesome for self hosting. My home server would probably just be OpenMediaVault and a Samba share if I couldn’t just spin up compose files and had to worry about every app wanting its own database and stuff!

    Are there better alternatives for newbs who just wanna self host stuff?

  • Captain Howdy@lemm.ee
    12·
    4 months ago

    If you’re doing it right, containers are less like VMs and more like cgroups. If orchestrated correctly it uses less system resources to run lots of services on a single system/node.

    That said, I’m a devops/infrastructure/network professional and not a developer, so maybe I’m missing something from the dev experience… But I love containers.

    Docker does kinda suck now, though. Use podman or another interface instead if you can help it.

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
      5·
      4 months ago

      If done correctly, it also forces devs to write smaller more maintainable packages.

      Big if though. I’ve seen many a terrible containerized monolithic app.

    • slabber@lemmy.ml
      5·
      4 months ago

      That’s one of my dilemmas. Due to using BSD and relying on jails I have a hard time using lots of possibly nice apps being released nowadays because they only offer the docker way of installing.

  • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    124·
    4 months ago

    I don’t like containerisation because it leads to bullshit like atomic distros. I don’t want a spicy Android.

    Steam OS has some cool elements like the menu, the in-game side panels and the game mode/desktop dichotomy, but incremental rolling release is utterly deranged from my POV as an Arch user (btw).

    • Reawake9179@lemmy.kde.social
      161·
      4 months ago

      If stability is deranged then yes.

      As someone having used Arch, stuff does break at times and Valve can’t link a Wiki link with the fixes

      • 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        Say Plasma “breaks” - a wiki will not help fast enough.

        I’m not trying to defend rolling release for a gaming console, but give me at least the option to decide for myself whether I’m ok with breakage or not. There is this kernelspace NT driver that I wanted to try, but I couldn’t because pacman is locked.

    • SpeakinTelnet@programming.dev
      7·
      4 months ago

      I’m currently trying Fedora Kinoite and from the get go the hassle of getting a proper Firefox+codecs to watch online videos feels like a major step back.

      Then you have the issue of installing software in flatpack (is: vscode, texmaker) that are either not fully working of need to have their access tweaked. Atomic distros appeal is to “just work” it doesn’t seem like it does.