Almost every time I restart my Windows PC from an update, it sits on the “closing apps screen” or “restarting” screen then gives up completely and I have to force it to shut down/restart
And, just about every other time I restart with an update, it closes apps and then just fully shuts down after the update!
It’s super graceful! 😭
EVERY TIME!!
“A program is preventing Windows from shutting down”
The program : A generic non-descript white box icon with no title.
Clicking
shutdown/restart anywaybecomes standard procedure at this point.When I first saw that I was like “great, I have a virus”
Nope, just Windows
Windows is preventing Windows from shutting down
“restarting” for 15 minutes. Then crashes. Now I have to reinstall updates and go through it all over again. I hate how crappy the windows update process has become.
Except for the immutable versions I have, Linux almost never needs to reboot after an update. Upgrades, yes, but not standard updates. And even after upgrades, it just works [(except for one of the immutable versions I have)].
I usually close all programs before shutting down / rebooting, anyway (a habit I picked up from Win95 days, where it would crash if programs prevented it from shutting down), so I don’t really feel this SIGKILL issues.
I was doing my project while system updated itself from sources. Шindows should take notes here.
And I’m not even talking about CRIU, where you can save entire progtam state on disk, reboot and restore it back in the state before reboot.
Linux almost never needs to reboot after an update
Doesn’t it often need a reboot to apply some updates?
I rember reading something along those lines then I was researching why Fedora installs some updates after a reboot. Most
Fedora is the immutable I was referring to that does need to reboot. Linux Mint and OpenSuse only need to reboot after an upgrade. I’ve never had to reboot them after updates. Mileage may vary, of course, as different people have different software, tools, and libraries installed.
I was talking about regular fedora. It’s not that you have to reboot, but you don’t get to use those updates until you do. The most obvious example is updating the kernel and its modules.
You’re correct. A kernel update would fall under the umbrella of a system upgrade, where the system needs to shut down to allow underlying components to be reloaded.
to be fair, fedora downloads and apply the update before reboot, windows download, apply and then reboot, that’s why it take so much time
Right, but Fedora failures allows me still to boot. Windows failures forces an uninstallation of the update, killing even more time. There are good and bad things to each approach.
As Microsoft adds ads in more places more and more, I consider moving over to Linux but I just have too many files and weird Windows only programs that I use that I can’t
I also haven’t really found a desktop environment I really like yet, so I’m open to suggestions for dual booting!
I pretty much always recommend Linux Mint Cinnamon for anyone entering Linux for the first time or anyone who wants something to just work 98% of the time. I use Mint Debian Edition (testing it out. So far, so good, and it’s quickly entering first place in terms of recommendations, as it seems just as stable and uses Debian packages instead of Ubuntu’s), OpenSuse with KDE (less for beginner’s and more for those who want “eye candy” and some nostalgia), and Fedora Silverblue (currently have an update issue with its certificates, so can’t really recommend it yet). I’ve found very few Windows programs to not work within WINE (more complex, system file dependent programs generally are those that fail), so you may find that all of your Windows-only programs work perfectly fine under WINE.
With Mint (and others, I’m sure), you can install multiple DEs and test them out, then remove those you don’t like. Or keep them all and play DE roulette I guess lol
I’ll definitely check some of those out, thanks! I have a little experience with Linux since every self hosted server PC I’ve built has always had Ubuntu Server, but even then I was tempted to try and dual boot Mint
Windows’ might be complex, but it is NOT graceful. If you have notepad open with unsaved text, then shutdown will never shut down - but nothing on the screen will make this obvious to a non-technical person.
Unless there are security updates to install, then everything will be mercilessly killed
Praise be Cortana and IE’s reinstallation!
F’ing notepad every time.
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Linux actually also has a graceful shutdown process. It tells apps its shutting down by sending SIGTERM, and its up to each process to flush data asap, do whatever they gotta do, and then shut down.
If they don’t listen then linux will indeed pull out the
baseball batchainsawkatana and make processes die whether they want to or not.But for some reason Firefox doesn’t do this properly, so it offers to or just outright restores all my pages on startup. I’ve never been able to make it stop doing that.
Have you tried this:
I’m pretty sure I have, but I’ll try again to be sure
The number of times I have had the Windows shutdown process tell me “please close <some windows process that I never opened> before shutting down” is fucking annoying. Wipe your own ass, Windows.
Bonus points if that exact dialogue is the cause. Had that happen more than once. No idea how
The funniest one is when it tells you this but by the time you get back to close the ones that didn’t close they’ve already closed on their own. Confused Travolta.gif
EarlyOOM is your friend. Tweak it to save the most important stuff and kill irrelevant stuff first when low on memory.
Why can’t browsers discard tabs to disk instead of this ridiculous assumption that the server will still exist to redownload the tab content rom.
Autodiscard. Its a plugin i use that helps most of the time.
Well… though there are reasons to save pages to disk, the server being still up is a fair assumption, really.
It isn’t on a mobile device where you might go out of wifi or cellular coverage. But it’s probably a good thing as I don’t want my tab habit wearing out my disk
When people have hundreds of tabs open i get it.
In windows open command prompt type
shutdown /f /s /t 0
Better yet, put this in a batch file set to run at start up. On your friends PC of course
Firefox is becoming the villain.
Meanwhile Windows regularly gets hung up for several minutes on the “shutting down…” screen for no fucking reason. Only happens when I’m in a hurry too.
i love it when the “this program is keeping the computer from shutting down” program is the shutting down program
In theory it is a good thing because it’s usually programs with unsaved stuff.
Then randomly reboots anyway even though you said don’t install updates and reboot.
Meanwhile I click that “shut down anyway” button immediately. Fuck you Outlook.
echo b > /proc/sysrq-triggerI’m guessing that simulates alt-sysrq command inputs?
Yes
“Remember: No PID”
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No Mercy
Where do you go, my lovely?
Alt+print screen+i 😎
SIGTERM is a graceful request to the application to terminate itself and despite their names
killandkillalldefault to SIGTERM (also useful to send other signals to processes, like START, STOP and NOHUP).kill -9though…“You should terminate yourself, NOW!”
