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      I think this is bad news tbh. Harris can be as capable as she wants, but if the broadcaster doesnt stop Trump from a endless ramble or cut off his mic if he escalates to intolerable levels of behaviour, then this could end badly.

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        Don’t give Fox News respect. Start talking shit about it right now. Call this what it is, a scared old weird man who will only debate Harris on a “news” network currently paying billions for lying to everyone about the last election. Harris will treat Trump and the “journalists” playing moderators like children which is how we should’ve been treating them for years. Talking to them like adults validates their lies and bullshit.

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          Harris should call them out. “I said a debate on a news source, not some weird entertainment channel. Might as well have the weather channel moderate the debate!”

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            While entertaining for us, I don’t think that’d be a wise reaction. If she wants to win, she probably also needs to sway some people that are lifetime FOX junkies. Such a reaction could have a ‘basket of deplorables’ effect (being the stone cold truth, but hardly effective)

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              Being nice to idiots has proven to be hardly effective. Kamala needs to read word for word the arguments the Fox News lawyers made when they were in court for the dominion case. Fox News isn’t news it’s entertainment and they don’t employ journalists they employ entertainers. This is what Fox News said.

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                No, what she needs to do is win this election. That’s her job, everything else (like taking entertainment corpos to task for their shady tactics) comes secondary right now.

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                  I fail to see how one impedes the other, in fact I would argue it would help her win. If she’s running on doing just that why wouldn’t she take a shot. Why hide? You think any Fox News fanboys would be swayed by anything Kamala says? Her time would be better spent attracting unregistered voters and she could do that by saying the quiet part out loud.

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      NYT are fools for using that headline. Their journalists, or editor, obscured the facts with that one. “Updated” headline (not joking):

      Trump Cancels a Debate With Harris on ABC News and Pitches One With Fox News Instead

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        The biggest issue is many people will have only seen the first headline and not the update. They got inaccurate information and it won’t be corrected, and the NYT is to blame.

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        “Cancels” is the wrong verb again. ABC can cancel it, Trump can only decide not to show. ABC and Kamala can go ahead and have a debate with the audience or even put a cardboard cut out in his place and play random quotes he’s made and let Kamala disagree with them. ABC would get views and advertising revenue.

        The right neutral verb phrase there is “backs out of”. The one I would pick is “shirks” or “fears”

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    In what sense has he agreed something if no one else involved knows about it? I think the right verb here is ‘suggests’.

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    only if harris somehow sneaks a bullhorn/megaphone onto the stage so she can still make sure those fuckers hear her when her mic “malfunctions”.

    fox deserves no respect.

    You know how fascists are always projecting; the way he treats normal news agencies tells us all we need to know - it’s exactly how we SHOULD be treating his pet agencies.

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    Fox Moderator: “Vice President Harris, how would you respond to the accusation that your administration was responsible for the supply-chain crisis, grocery price inflation, massive corporate layoffs, Texas power outages, the summer heat wave, and the border apocalypse?”

    Harris: “What? Now wait…”

    Fox Moderator: “President Trump. They say you have the best golf record of any president in history. How did you accomplish this historic feat?”

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      You know he’d completely fuck up the answer and go on ranting about migrants crossing the border, inflation, how smart he is and other rants. In previous interviews on Fox News they have handed him simple questions on a platter which were written to make him look like a good guy…and he completely screws it up and makes him self look like an idiot. It’s actually pretty hilarious.

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    This was the obvious move - attempt to change the venue to Fox, Newsmax or worse. I’m surprised Tucker isn’t a proposed moderator.

    Harris should counter with a live fact check requirement regardless of venue, which Trump and Fox could never accept.

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      I want the debate to happen AFTER Trump is sentenced in DC. Depending on what happens there, the debates topics are vastly different. Making a president into a king with literal life or death powers is a power that Trump will misuse.

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    “Trump agrees with himself”

    …say, is it perhaps weird to make meetings with yourself?

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    Yes, the network that had to pay nearly a billion dollars for pushing a false narrative in order to get Trump elected the last time around is the perfect venue. Oh, and a live Fox News audience? What could be bad about that?

    What a joke.

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          I was thinking Kamala. Never know with those idiots though. lol

          Side note: Did you happen to see the close ups of Trump’s ear at the ABJ convention? Shit was on FULL DISPLAY and didn’t look shot at all. 🤔

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            Ask anyone who wears earrings, ears heal fast. (That said, I expect he only had a scratch.)

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            Because it wasn’t. That blood was the spatter from an actual victim behind him. He has been pretending to have been shot, without any actual injury of any kind.

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              How could the blood have been from the other victim? They were no where near that close to Trump. They would have had to have been on the stage with him lol

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                Blood spatter can travel quite a long distance. The shooting victim was in the crowd immediately behind Trump at what looks to be about 15-20 feet away. If he was that close, a high velocity projectile could create spatter that could reach the podium.

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                  Apply Occam’s razor here. Of course he’s milking it for all its worth, but he got hit by something. Bullet graze, shrapnel graze, shattered glass graze, whatever it was it did hit him.

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        It says “Trump agrees”. I clicked on it thinking it was a done deal but it’s very much not. It’s misleading.

        Edit- they changed it on the site. But damage is already done to people who just see the original headline and don’t read into it.

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          I asked my question because the NYT headline that I personally saw didn’t say “Trump agrees,” and I wanted to verify whether that was the actual headline or an interpretation of it.

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    Headline so insanely misleading they had to change it lol. NYTimes is such a joke these days

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    I cannot stand his voice; I always end up muting the TV and reading the closed captioning. Those poor people that have to do the live captioning though…

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      When Trump was in office foreign translators got a ton of shit for doing thier job. So many non English speaking people thought the translators were drunk. That made more sense at the time than The President of the United States of America actually saying the things he said. There was also the time he got laughed at by the entire United Nations.

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      Imagine having to stand on that stage and smell that soiled old man. If he stank I would bring that up before answering every question

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      I can’t either. On the other hand, I’ll take it because he’s going up against a very seasoned prosecuting attorney.

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    Trump when Biden is running: “Any time, any place”

    Trump when Harris is running: “One specific time, one specific place”

    Harris is going to wipe the floor with this guy.

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      Only if the venue rules are fairly done.

      That is not what Fox’s history shows Fox doing as a news an entertainment channel. They will put any BS up to garner attention. For example, DEI hire.

      If Fox applied the same benchmarks on Trump’s past ‘accomplishments’ and Trump isn’t fit for employment, period.