Samsung sees 95% drop in profits for a second consecutive quarter::Today, Samsung posted its Q2 2023 financial results. The report says Samsung’s profits have dropped considerably compared to last year.

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    each new phone is more expensive, with less functionality.

    hover on the touch screen? gone

    iris scanner, gone

    headphone jack? gone

    air pressure sensor? gone

    humidity sensor? gone

    ir blaster, gone

    meanwhile I get charged out the ass for storage space.

    Why the fuck would I want a newer phone?

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      Don’t forget the SD card slot missing, S20 was the last one that had it. I still don’t know what to get after that, just because of the missing SD.

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        I got an A52 just for that reason. Still using it. I wanted a S20 but they were sold out and I was told they stopped making it.

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        Internal storage on phones is over 200gb by now. I havent needed an SD for years. What the fuck do you store on your phone that could still need an SD? lmao

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          I have a young son and it was getting very irritating having to be selective recording my videos of him. I finally just paid $90 and added a 1TB premium sd card, and now I won’t have to worry about it at all & download all the videos I want for us.

          Upgrading the internal storage to 1TB on a new phone costs several hundred dollars.

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          4k video files will fill your phone up mighty quick. especially if you use it for youtube videos or similar. or film your family/pets a lot

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          Record 1 minute video, how big is that file? 200 MB, 0.2 GB. 5 minutes and 1 GB is full. When something interesting happens, 5 minutes are recorded easy, obviously. 200 GB, nothing for apps, maps, downloads,… are enough to record 15 hours of video. Then that is it. How many moments can I capture with that? Enough for maybe 2 years? I don’t throw my memories away when I get a new phone. Instead, I just buy a new SD every few years and compress the video files every once in a while.

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      Don’t forget color changing led notification light. You could pay with your phone at old card readers using MST. Oh yeah, and the S9 had a blood pressure sensor.

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      At least Samsung has proper video out through the USB port. Unlike the trash that Pixels depend on, such as Chromecast. What kind of GPU doesn’t have either HDMI or displayport (through USB-C like Apple, Samsung, OnePlus, Steamdeck, laptops, etc. ) out in this day and age?

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      Wait air pressure sensor and humidity sensor? Are you talking about their watches?

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        Samsung Note 10 and others have a barometric sensor, though I’m not aware of any app using them. Which might explain their removal, sadly.

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              Oh boy this is a weird tool hahah, I love it!! Can’t thank you enough for this recommendation, it always bummers me how wasted are most phones in terms of potential, when I used to fantasize about futuristic portable computers as a little boy I though that people would become a short of cyborg that would do “magic” with their computers. Turns out, phone became the “squary-glassy attention sink machine” xd

              I was thinking on accessing the pressure sensor via termux and then export that data to a csv file with some python script! phybox looks ver interesting to gain control over my devices 😗

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      They want to keep competing with and copying Apple/iphones, yet they keep forgetting about what makes Android phones so appealing to the people who select these phones over iphones.

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      Holding tight on to this Samsung Note 9 until it finally dies. Battery is still ‘ok’ for now, will last a full day.

      Snapdragon, not that pos Exynos

      Finger print reader on the back is the only way to do it. Wife has had several newer models with built in front side fingerprint reader and it has been ridiculously unreliable by comparison.

      Iris Scan

      Face Scan

      Headphone jack

      Micro-SD Card

      USB-C

      Wireless charging

      NFC with payment support

      And even the stupid pen thingy that I use maybe once a month.

      Not 5G but the 4G LTE is usually more than fast enough even for streaming when using as a hotspot.

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        Pointless unintuitive feature that’s replaced with simple press and hold.

        Unintuitive for you, perhaps. I found it more intuitive than the press and hold (until it became ubiquitous), since it made more sense for a preview. Press and hold, in my mind, is more for secondary menus and alternative options, like mass-selecting.

        The air gestures were also nice if I had my hands full, since they worked without turning the screen on, and without touching it, although they leaned more heavily on the gimmick side of things.

        Slow and unreliable compared to fingerprints. Anyone actually used it?

        Yes. I use it a lot when I have my phone on a stand, or when I have gloves on. Fingerprint readers don’t work through gloves, for obvious reasons, and it’s less effort than having to fumble around with my phone and my gloves, especially when I will be putting the glove back on afterwards.

        Since my phone also has the fingerprint reader on the back, rather than the front, it also makes it much easier to unlock my phone without picking it up, which is nice when it’s on its wireless charging pad, or I want to quickly check a notification or something, rather than needing to pick it up.

        As for speed, I’ve not found it that much worse than the fingerprint, especially once the camera’s fired up. The hard part tends to be aligning yourself just right, and that you need to tap a “confirm” button compared to the one-click that fingerprint does.

        Who needs these things? Weather apps work just fine. Rather use the space for battery.

        The space won’t be used for battery. It’s a small chip on the PCB, and Samsung would either keep it around for other sensors, or would leave that space blank. Having a tiny battery protrusion like that is silly anyway. Having a little dingle like that would just make the battery more likely to be damaged and erupt into a violent conflagration.

        I personally found it handy, even if it was underutilised. Sometimes you want information from within the house, not outside of it, and if your phone can fetch that information and present it, you don’t need to go and buy a separate hygrometer and air pressure sensor, and carry it around, or have to feed that information via an external service.

        Unless you’re looking to vandalize public tvs, just replace it with any number of wifi/bluetooth remotes.

        Assuming that your TV comes with support for those. If it doesn’t, such as if it’s an older television, then you would be out of luck.

        Personally, I used mine a bunch back in the day, just because it was nice to be able to fire up the VCR, Amplifier, and TV all in one button, rather than a bundle of loose remotes, but that’s more of a first world problem, and less of an issue these days, since television is on the decline.


        More importantly, though, the phones aren’t cheaper despite the loss of these features. The phones just get more expensive, even though they had fewer sensors and features like that.

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        The point is that technology isn’t supposed to get in the way of us doing things and that’s exactly what removing features that are useful to people does.

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          Usually there is a compromise somewhere though. If they could just add all the features without any downsides, they surely would (and demand a premium for it). Granted, sometimes it is just cheaper to get rid of it (and thus make more profit), but sometimes its just a decision to cater to a minority or provide a benefit for the majority of users.

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        Counterpoint: phones like Redmi 9T have it all. Headphone jack, expandable storage, IR blaster, NFC… Also manages to have an “okay” battery capacity that’s 6Ah.

        The only problem is it costs too little so people don’t consider it.

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          First, even for Xiaomi that phone is crap with a myriad of software related complaints alone. On the hardware front its cheap because cheap in gets cheap out. Underpowered even for 2021.

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            Oh I see. I just …hadn’t noticed. Probably because these people are overreacting. But sure, if you need to justify getting a new smartphone, you better spend loads of money to make sure it looks good on benchmarks.

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    Sorry. I’m just trying not to get evicted due to living in a country with the highest rent, internet, food, and data plan prices.

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        Government. Not liberals or conservatives, but the government as a whole. Canada has had many years where both liberal and conservatives were in charge, and nothing changed.

        Canada doesn’t allow competition. We have 3 main internet providers, 3 main phone plan providers, like 2 grocery store chains, a couple airlines, etc.

        When other companies attempt to come in to break up monopolies, they lobby, and get them shut down.

        I mean where are we going to go? America isn’t really an alternative, as much as Americans think it is. Our healthcare, gun laws, etc are things that make Canada really good. We could move to some European or Scandinavian country, but that’s not as easy as it sounds, especially when you need to learn a new language, get accepted, move your entire life, and live in such a different culture.

        So people in Canada just accept it. Maybe one day monopolies will be broken up, but there are no parties that are going to do that now. Left or right leaning.

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          Government. Not liberals or conservatives, but the government as a whole. Canada has had many years where both liberal and conservatives were in charge, and nothing changed.

          Huh, it’s almost as if they don’t encompass as much of the political spectrum as they’d like us to believe.

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              Capitalism and free markets are separate things within the economic “sphere” of society. Capitalism is an economic doctrine that focuses on directing production through private capital; free markets (in theory) ensure “equal access” to markets for products (as compared to monopoly or (economic, not necessarily drug) cartel markets which restrict access).

              Over in the “public sphere”, governments decide whether to jump in bed with private capital (often resulting in monopolies or cartels in economic marketplacs), or to make & enforce regulations that protect the (so-called) free market.

              Or to make and enforce regulations that protect consumers – i.e. human f-ing beings – and enrich local economies without protectionism and “zero sum games”, but I guess we shouldn’t get too carried away here ;)

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          I haven’t even seen a North American have a kind of acceptable political understanding in the 2020s until now.

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            Plenty of real people are quite aware of our current issues, they just get drowned out online.

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        It’s big and cold. How much food do you think grows there? There’s actually plenty of cheap land but people like to live with other people.

        If you don’t want modern conveniences, I bet it’s cheap. I bet you can live off of potatoes and chicken for like $0.

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          It’s not cheap. Buying a crack shack in a shitty province with basically no job opportunities costs more than a nice place in LA.

          Actually.

          Getting a piece of shit, run down, SHARED town house in Nova Scotia costs more than a decent house in LA.

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            You can get a rural house with land for no money. You can grown your own potatoes and raise chickens. That life is exceptionally cheap. But like I said:

            People like to live with people.

            So the problem is, Canada is big and cold. No one wants to live in the cheap areas.

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              Yeah I watch a girl on YouTube who bought a run down old house in Nova Scotia + plenty of land for I think $64k? It obviously takes a lot of work to get it modernized but it was technically liveable when she bought it. But it’s kinda out in the middle of nowhere and therefore not as desirable.

              (If anyone cares, she’s a booktuber but she has a whole video series on refurbing the house. Her name is Ariel Bissett.)

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      At least you don’t live in the city with the highest rent prices. Our countries treated housing like and investment scheme which drives up local tax revenue resulting in reduction year in year of new developments (assuming Canada has the same supply Constraints as here) . The reduction is fueled by the tax revenue however also by the increasing amount of investors and owners who vote. They don’t want their asset values to decrease so it’s artificially kept high the value component of the assets left long ago, we are in fictional valuations now.

      Regarding food, their is no other way around monopoly or duopoly other than supporting farmers markets. By supporting them they can grow their base and bring down prices. Not sure what else can be done here. It’s a real problem for us here.

      Electricity prices are skyrocketing here and that’s squarely landed at the feet of poor renewables planning. Mandatory coal plant shutdowns without having replacement capacity in place is killing people when the elderly & vulnerable can’t afford AC during the heat waves.

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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

    This is a sign of an upcoming recession if we aren’t already in one. People are starting to run out of their savings due to stagflation and are looking for areas to cut. Buying a new phone every year or every other year and replacing laptops every 5 years are among the first things to go in anyone’s budget.

    So currently the only people refreshing their devices are the people who NEED new devices.

    Capitalist economies always need spends out of desire and not just necessity.

    Worst part is instead of reversing the gouging these companies will probably just go ham on the planned obsolescence.

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      Or simply that prices have become insane. Good phones used to be around 400, taking me a few days to think about it and say yes. Now they are beyond 1000, so I will do my best to avoid having to upgrade and go with custom ROMs again. In the meanwhile, we also lost exchangeable batteries, external SD cards, and microphone jack, and we gained more Google spyware and bloat.

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        Good phones are still $400. They just have this ridiculous tier now that is even higher

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          I had a Pixel 3a for years. It was a great phone and it was $350. Eventually it stopped getting updates :(

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        Good phones used to be around 400, taking me a few days to think about it and say yes. Now they are beyond 1000

        I’m not sure what you mean by a “good” phone. Like yeah, they came up a bit. A Pixel 7a costs $499, and if one wants wireless charging and a better camera they can go with the Pixel 7 for $599. Regular non-Pro iPhones are around the same price.

        Like yeah, folding phones are well over $1,000 in most cases, but personally I think that’s a gimmick, my hot take. But for me and 99% of the people I know, we’re sticking with our slab smartphones.

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        I bought a m52 a while ago on a black friday promotion or something like that for 280. It’s the most expensive phone I ever bought (usially i try to stay under 200). I know that for some that is peanuts, but I have it hard to justify spending so much money on a phone. 1000 for a phone is something I would never be able to do. The thing I do like about it is the quality of the photos and the ease to connect with my wireless buds.

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      The gouging is insane. £300+ for a tablet keyboard case for the s9 ultra.

      I got one free as a preorder for the s8 ultra. No chance I am paying that much for a keyboard.

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        Even my iPad keyboard (the folio from Apple) “only” cost like £180. Samsung’s going nuts.

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        Samsung isn’t on planet earth with their prices. I was avoiding them anyway because I believe TouchWiz is an inferior interface than stock Android. Just way too much bloat.

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          Bloat is negligible. In fact it is their software that keeps me stuck with samsung. Its a total superior hardware and software experience.

          Just wished they hadn’t gone down the Apple courage route and bumped the price and pimped the features.

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            You’re the only one I’ve heard of who was happy with it. One of the guys I worked with, traded a new at the time Galaxy S-series phone back into his carrier to exchange for an iPhone because it was very laggy. After seeing one in action I didn’t blame him. It was laggier than my cheap Moto G series, which had a lot less processing power and slower storage. And this was back in 2017, so not too awfully long ago. But maybe things have changed since then.

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              2017 was a long time ago.

              Like with everything you need to invest time to learn the features. If you just want a phone with basic capabilities then you are better off getting other brands.

              The spen itself is packed with so many features but rarely does anyone bother learning them. Samsung have developed a powerhouse for productivity and unfortunately that means I’m stuck with them because nothing else compares.

              Everyone is on their own journey and I agree that it is not for everyone.

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                Part of my job still is to help people connect their work email to their personal smartphones, if they want to. Many buy Samsungs because their carrier’s store still sells them up front compared to other brands of Android. Though it’s mostly A-series phones.

                The problem with it is that Samsung doesn’t put the access to the features in convenient or intuitive locations so many users just get used to not using them anyway. The only feature, I as a Pixel user envy over Samsung is the right side menu thing. But anyone with iPhone experience or experience using an Android that has gesture nav enabled by default, wouldn’t think to try it even with the spen because that is the gesture to go back.

                Ofc Pixels can do multitask yet many don’t realize that because you have to click the app icons at the top of the recent apps screen to access the menu for it. So I guess I don’t have room to talk about that aspect as a Pixel user.

                But Bixby? I honestly think it’s a waste of resources for Samsung when they could have just used Google Assistant like other brands. I mean Bixby is okay but still lacks in some areas, but Samsung invested a lot of resources and effort into it just to come up with something that barely keeps up with Google’s Assistant.

                Also I’m not a huge fan of their app drawer still. I guess I’m more of a “I just want to see an alphabetical list of all apps” on the app drawer type of person.

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      You hit the nail on the head for me. I loved my Galaxy S9+ but it was over 4 years old and literally falling apart. I just replaced it with an S23…but also as others have said, I think the S9+ was better. I’m especially having issues with the camera (look up bananagate) and my old car doesn’t have Bluetooth so I have a USB C to Aux adapter that randomly cuts out sound so for a lot of drives I just put the sound up on my phone speakers and play directly.

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      I remember reading vague claims that this was expected by samsung and it was just the cost of something they did some years ago to eliminate competition. Unfortunately I don’t have anything more concrete but someone else might know and add a comment.

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        Sadly I don’t think greedflation is an official term. Stagflation was the closest I know about anyway.

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        Tbh, might not be a bad time to do it as long as you don’t sink yourself into debt too much or have to take out high interest loans. Because if the crash happens while you’re studying and by the time you graduate things might start recovering again. I guess we’ll see.

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    Drops in profits can mean investments, new hires and a myriad of other stuff. No meaning in the headline whatsoever. Profits are not revenue.

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    Foldable devices seem like the 3d TVs of the last couple of years. I will not be getting one any time soon.

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      and who even wants this? a couple of friends have them, and it seems like nothing more than a weird novelty. in sci-fi, the phone unfolds to become a tablet, not folds in half to become… uselelss while potentially damaging the screen for no good reason.

      this is a classic example of one of those technologies that you think would be cool, but once you have it, you’re like, “eh, never mind.” but Samsung went all sunk cost fallacy and doubled-down on it, losing billions. brilliant!

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          from what my friends have told me, that novelty wears off real quick, and is replaced with the concern it will break or wear out— which happens more frequently than manufacturers claim. if not the screen itself, then the hinges, which were a common problem with the old flip-phones, too, back in the day.

          I mean, you like what you like. I’m just speaking from a practical standpoint in that any moving parts = a high manufacturing cost and higher rate of defect and breakage. the primary advantage of the “candy bar” form factor is that it reduces/eliminates moving parts and potential points of failure from the physical design.

          I admit… I really do miss the idea, even the feel of flipping a phone shut. hell, I even miss slamming a phone down to end a call. angrily jamming my finger into a screen to end a call is REALLY unsatisfying, and often ends in my throwing my phone across the room, and I’ve thankfully developed the habit of throwing it at my couch to save on replacing expensive smartphones, lol. but, until tech evolves tot he point where we get phablets a la Westworld or Legion that can unfold into a super-slim tablet rather than fold down into a flip-phone from the past whose screen could actually just break at any moment because the tech was rushed…. yeah, I’m not interested.

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            I had a Motorola razr in 2021 that was a good phone, the crease never really bothered me but after 6 months of use the touch screen stopped working and then the pixels started going out on it before it stopped working entirely.

            I loved the form factor but it’s just not reliable enough. I’d probably only buy another clamshell foldable if apple made it because I trust them not to rush a half baked product to market.

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            I was going to say I miss slam-shutting my flip phone too but have realized that I only talk on the phone like 3 times a week so I wouldn’t be getting a foldable just for that

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          I had flip phones before smartphones became default, I loved the intuitiveness of answering, locking, etc, and I love the idea of a foldable smartphone because of the size of the screen that you can get into a pocket

          Same here, was on flip phones for the longest time. I loved the compactness. They became scarce some years ago so I started buying smart phones, currently a Samsung. That thing is huge and unwieldy. It does not fit well in a pocket so I don’t carry it around. I always have to find someplace to stow it, often in the center console of my car.

          A folding smart phone could be a solution, but they’re all really expensive. I don’t spend a lot on phones and never will. Right now I’m looking to replace my under $300 Samsung with an under $300 Motorola. Functionally my Samsung works well, but I hate all the Samsung bloatware on it. I know Motorola uses a fairly stock Android image and hopefully it will be a bit more compact.

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        I’d love to have one but they’re overpriced.

        Same with every flagship, the tech isn’t scaring me off just that the price is ridiculous to me. A new phone case, wallpaper and launcher and I’ll get another year out of any phone.

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      I see why you’re saying that but I love my fold and I don’t think I could go back to a regular phone anymore, you quickly get used to the screen real estate and its difficult to give it up imo. While the outside screen is too thin on my fold for my fat fingers you get the best of both worlds of a phone and a more portable tablet, I get it if its not your thing but I find it very handy to have that extra work space on my phone.

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        I’m in the same boat with my foldable. It’d be a handicap now to watch videos on a smaller screen now that I’ve gotten used to the bigger one. I only use the small screen for phone calls now because it’s awkward holding the large screen to your face for that.

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        While the outside screen is too thin on my fold

        Yep, I’m hoping they’ll do a slightly wider tri-fold model at some point. I’d like to have a wider front screen, like Galaxy S22 Ultra sized, and then be able to unfold twice to get a ~3x sized tablet-sized screen.

        Not that that would help with the already astronomical price-tag of the Z-Fold.

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      To be fair, apples done those things and we said the same thing about those moves. And now look at em.

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        Except Samsung has competition. Apple has blind loyalty.

        I need to replace my Samsung phone soon and I’m looking at Motorola. An Apple user just says I need to replace my phone soon. Then they get to spend an arm and a leg to do it.

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          Apple has blind loyalty

          I agree. However, I also think that vendor lock-in is the true culprit. The strange thing about Apple users is that they get locked into that platform and there is little escape, but instead of feeling resentful, they swell with pride instead. Apple user = proud capative.

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            Its also beacuse Apple dosent have cheap tier of phones. So you have the classic went from a 100 dollar android to 1000 dollar iphone case. Like no shit sherlock obviusly extremly cheap phones are crap. Also for some reason the most common phone Brand on the planet is somehow treated like a status symbol. I would kinda uderstand sony phones being status symbol or samsung foldables but iphones But truth be told I really dont get Apple users. I tried one and other than it being really smooth (beacuse my Main phone is a cheap huawei) it was worse in every metric that mattered to me other than sound while costing 4 to 6 Times as much .

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          blind loyalty

          Maybe for some people. There is however a strong momentum to just keep using what you are used to, and Apple has done a great job in that regard. Stuff just works and it keeps working mostly the same and even switching to a new device is almost effortless. Plus their design guidelines for apps is providing a pretty consistent user experience, zero tinkering required. Which is what a lot of people like.

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        apples done those things and we said the same thing about those moves. And now look at em.

        True, however a lot of people really don’t care about that stuff which somehow often gets overlooked here and on reddit.

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      I’ve had 3 Samsung phones in a row but I’m over it. The bloatware is too much for me at this point.

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    Maybe they could stop taking features away from their phones. Put a micro SD and aux jack back and I’d buy one

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          Yeh it’s expensive but I vote with my wallet. Sony’s build is the best I’ve ever had. Software is close to stock AOSP with nice Sony improvements. Only issue I see is Sony are slow to roll out major OS updates. All in all, I’d argue it’s one of the best devices I’ve had over the last few generations.

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      Maybe I am in the minority but I’ll never need an aux jack again and I see it as another point of failure for water damage.

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          This is why I’m still using my LG v60, it had the best headphone jack and dac at the time and probably still does looking at everything else currently on the market.

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              Next they’ll removing the charging cable and send us just a fucking phone.

              Oh you mean like google did? I was pretty surprised and disgusted they didn’t include a charging cable with my pixel 7. All I got was a 6 inch data transfer cable.

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            I’m still rocking the v60 also. LG started packing a world class DAC into their smartphones back with the LG v35 and kept it going all the way to their pinnacle (the v60). The v35, the v60, and everything in between had audio superiority that still hasn’t been beaten by other modern flagships.

            I’m going to be inconsolable when my v60 finally needs replacing.

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              V50 user here (didn’t get V60 cause of the larger size) I broke my phone a few months ago, filtered GSMarena for a replacement that’d fullfil my criteria, and Sony Xperias were the the best of the few options that it spat out. Ended up just fixing the V50 for $100, I too will probably hold onto this until it actually breaks.

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          Some people don’t own cars with all that Bluetooth bullshit, or just prefer to use the jack since it is lossless audio.

          I really hate that cars seem to drop a built in music solution in favor of smartphones. Give me a good radio and a cd player or sdcard slot over any smartphone connectivity and I’m happy.

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          Ahh like I get the argument but it is technology progressing, lots of cars didn’t have cd players when the world moved from tapes. The infrastructure responds to demand.

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              It’s not to spend more money, there’s a real increase in value Bluetooth provides to most people. Yes there are edge cases, but when you can get a a blue tooth headset for $5-20 it’s not really cost prohibitive any more.

              Remember when the singe piece Bluetooth mics were like $100 when Bluetooth first started hitting mainstream phones? Many people didn’t think it was worth $100 to use an unwired headset for phone calls.

              Well now, that phone is also your entire music collection, your cable box and much more. Being untethered makes a lot more sense.

              In addition, easily Bluetooth destroyed device batteries, now it’s more power and you can just leave it running all the time in your phone.

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                  I think also, the removal of the port allowed for better engineering around the screen and better waterproofing and thinner devices.

                  I think with the EU mandating phones use USB-C, it might push apple into to drop port charging all together. You may see MagSafe only charging iPhones in the EU or everywhere soon.

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            Just because it’s more modern doesn’t mean it’s a 1:1 replacement.

            Wired is cheaper, and it has better quality, but it can also be annoying if you’re doing sports.

            It’s the same for HD and SSD. I still prefer HD to store multimedia and backups, despite being slower and older than SSD.

            There is no reason for them not to coexist.

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        Maybe I am in the minority but I’ll never need an aux jack again

        There is still significant lag for bluetooth audio on both ios and android platforms. It’s doesn’t really impact calling, and it doesn’t really impact watching video content (because they figured out how to measure that latency in real time and inject artificial delay into the video stream so that audio and video sync). But what they haven’t figured out yet is the answer for bluetooth audio for gaming. When gaming, you can’t arbitrarily delay the video feed so that it lines up with audio, so the bluetooth audio experience is complete dogshit for any gaming scenario. If you game, you have to use the physical cable or the constant audio lag will drive you mad.

        Also, there used to be (still are) a fair number of accessories designed to work through the aux port. Examples: mobile credit card readers that connect through aux jack (like square/paypal) that are used heavily by small vendors (especially for shows/events); also things like selfie sticks that use a cable plugged into the aux jack connected to a length of wire running inside the selfie stick to a button on the end of it.

        The market is starting to come up with wireless versions of these things, but the modern wireless versions now require unique ios and android versions of them when the aux-jack solution used to be platform independent.

        Also, the audio quality of an aux jack is an order of magnitude superior to anything that can be piped through bluetooth…still.

        I very much appreciate devices still throwing traditional aux jacks onto mobile devices. Ideally, there will be a wireless technical solution that eventually is superior, but that technology is definitely not bluetooth and we’re still waiting for it to be invented and hit consumer availability.

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          Would love to read more about the Bluetooth lag. Does it affect Bluetooth dac’s like the fiio btr5 as well?

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          Almost all of those are pretty niche problems though. Which explains why they just aren’t a high priority for manufacturers.

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          What do they need all this space for?

          They removed the keys for the screen. Ok.

          Phones got bigger for the screen. Ok.

          Phones got thinner, monolithic-like and they removed replaceable batteries. Why?

          They removed the 3.5mm jack. Not ok, full stop.

          They removed the SD card slot. A cloud’s not a storage card.

          I heard they’re removing SIM card slots as well.

          Gradually making phones into TV’s with sensors is bad. What if next you’re considered dead or criminal when offline?

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    As a Samsung user of 6 years, mainly due to job phone policy, I say they deserve it.

    Great screens, but gawddamn they aren’t worth their price. No charger, no headphone jack, no expandable storage, fingerprint sensor that are iffy and damn OS taking up 30% of your storage, no matter which option you go for.

    I like the camera and s-pen on my S22u but that’s it. They need to lower price and make competent mid range phones again, like the A52s.

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      But you can say this about any phone company these days (besides Sony, they still have it all) or you can blame them for taking the ‘apple’ direction of taking away everything and charging more.

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      I love the spen, and never had trouble with the finger print scanner… But you nail the rest of the list.

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        Fingerprint issues were my biggest complaint on Note 20, coming from S9, that was a huge let down.

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            Try that with a screen protector on 20 series and you’ll see what I mean. With other brands using optical sensor, you don’t need to worry about it at all.

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              I have a screen protector on my s22u, without a problem.

              As I said, maybe I’m just lucky. /Shrug.

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                Which kind? One that fully adhere to screen or the kind with glue on edges and circular area near sensor?

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    They still made around $1/2 BILLION.

    I love how every headline about their earnings focuses on the drop from before and not on the actual number they made.

    Boo-fucken-hoo the record profits they were making the last few years couldn’t be sustained forever. Oh noes!1!!!

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      Dude a 95% drop in profits YOY is most assuredly newsworthy

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        Maybe if it was revenue. Such a drop in profits could be from many ordinary business operations like expansion

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          It states in the article that it is from less than expected sales, no?

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        No. Not at all.

        If a company made one penny last quarter, and 10,000,000 this quarter, then their profit is up 10 billion percent. It’s a stupid headline.

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          Is it your belief that Samsung made hundreds of billions of dollars mysteriously in on huge surge?

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            Revenue matters more since companies tend to invest in future technology. Most serious business analysts would never talk about profit in percentages. This is clickbait. Hence why the stock price (determined by investors not Reddit tech refugees) is not suffering.

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          If a company did that it would be extremely newsworthy, as a 1,000,000,000,000x profit increase.

          I don’t see your point.

          If the same company made 10,000,000 last quarter and then made 500,000 this quarter that would also be newsworthy… as you know, a 95% drop in profits.

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            “Company so and so did an INFINITE PROFIT INCREASE!”

            Stupid.

            My point is that it’s stupid to use percentages when reporting profits unless you’re writing for clicks. That’s not how professional do it when looking at earnings reports. Ever. And for good reason. Again, Samsung stock is not tanking, because investors are smarter than internet kids who are bad with numbers.

            Revenues are looked at as percentages. Profits are looked at as raw numbers. Typically.

            Relevant username btw hahaha

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              😳I really didn’t mean to upset you so much wee man… don’t get too emotional. Just having a conversation here aren’t we?

              Percentage is entirely legitimate to look at, it’s merely a way of quantifying what the raw numbers mean versus the raw numbers from last years performance.

              No one said Samsung stock is tanking, you’re kind of shouting that into an empty room.

              I was acknowledging that a 95% drop in profits vs the same period over the previous year is definitely a newsworthy item especially in two consecutive quarters… I think any shareholder of Samsung would agree.

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                Company makes 1 dollar q1 2022. Company makes $.05. Q2 of 2023.

                Headline: “company loses 95% of its profits.”

                It’s the opposite of meaningful.

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                  It is meaningful if you measure Q1 2020 vs Q1 2021. You’ve got a bit confused as to what YOY is, you’re not just measuring two random quarters from different years (q1 2022 vs q2 2023?), you’re comparing against the performance in the same quarter the previous year.

                  It is a very meaningful way of judging whether a companies performance (ability to turn a profit and create value for the investor) has improved against the same period the previous year.

                  https://www.investopedia.com/terms/y/year-over-year.asp

                  There is a little bit of very basic information for you. I can try find something more colourful and with nice pictures if you need.

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      I was so happy when they released those commercials with their commitment to the headphone jack after Apple abandoned it.

      After they dropped it, they made sure I’ll never buy another phone from them. They probably don’t care. They probably make more than enough through their bluetooth headphones.

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          Sales are “only” down 37%, it’s profits that are down 95%. Which means either they’ve had to discount their phones, or they’re not selling enough volume to make up for R&D.

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    And remember, nobody is actually losing money, they just aren’t making as much as they’d hoped. You make shitty products and you homogenized with Apple losing anything that made you distinct and close to worthwhile. Fuck Samsung, all my homies hate Samsung.

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    Yeah, this is the chaebol system at work. The Faustian deal between these megacorps and the citizens of South Korea means that it is impossible for Samsung to fail or to be accountable for their bad business decisions. South Korea is the most developed cyberpunk technofeudalistic society.

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    Lol everyone commenting it’s because THEY don’t want to buy a new phone. Samsung supplies screens, electronic internals for other companies, and a fuck ton of appliances. They don’t only make phones…

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      Yet the article says Samsung attributes that to the phones market?

      Samsung attributes this loss in profit to the decline in smartphone shipments due to “high interest rates and inflation.”

      Something else that doesn’t seem to bode well is the fact that Samsung believes the boost that came from the launch of the Galaxy S23 series has faded.

      And expects a comeback because it’s launching new models…

      The manufacturer highlights the launch of the Galaxy Z Flip 5 and Galaxy Z Fold 5. It also believes that the smartphone market will make a return.

      This seems to indicate that most variable profit comes from the smartphones market.

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      I was just in a vacation rental looking at a Samsung mini-split AC and wondering if it was good or not haha.

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        Their washing machines and dryers aren’t great compared to LG, so I would be suspicious of their ACs.

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          Samsung and LG are both garbage when it comes to washers, dryers and the worst for refrigerators.

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              Consumer Reports isn’t a valid source. They have paid reports.

              Speed Queen is the top brand in washers and dryers.

              LG dryers do not last past their warranty for very long. Anyone who’s owned an LG can tell you that as with appliance repair companies.

              LG and Samsung are very poor.

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                Consumer Reports isn’t a valid source. They have paid reports

                Do you have a source for that? That would be a pretty big deal considering they’re a non-profit that claims to accept no samples and no advertising.

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                  PeTA claims is doesn’t fund terrorism. Yet they do. They were blacklisted from Walmart donations when I worked there for that sole reason.

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    Samsung sucks and most corporations in tech have horrible practices. At least the big ones. Profits over people is there motive. Tech should be human friendly