I only just learned today that, when someone from one instance gets banned from another instance, that person not only is no longer able to interact with the second instance, but people from the second instance actually can’t see anything the person said from the moment they got banned even though they’re still there. I’m disappointed to learn all my friends who got banned from my instance are still saying stuff and nobody told me, making it more akin to an instance forcing everyone to block them (because individuals blocking each other the same way work like this). And this is coming from the person who has fantasized about universalization of federation.

What’s something about the fediverse that was most recently unobscured but that you know now?

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    That’s the entire point of bans.

    You don’t want to have to manually block all the spammers and shit posters a decent instance is taking care of for you.

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      I think it would be better if bans only applied to posting on an instance, and each instance/community would self moderate. If I go to a post, I want to see the whole discussion, and not have certain people hidden from me by my home instance. Let the instance hosting the community filter out spam.

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        Run your own instance or join a permissive one if you don’t want your instance to moderate trash away.

        What you’re describing is a massive downgrade, and also massively adds to the legal exposure of hosting an instance, because you’re serving everything any user of your instance sees. Being able to block bad actors isn’t really an optional feature. You’re effectively asking for your instance to be forced to serve you abusive content.

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          I understand the liability issue, I guess this is just an inherent tradeoff with how the fediverse works.

          I at least think there could be a two stage ban, ‘no posting here’ and ‘block everything’.

          Also, defederation could still be used for instances that fail to moderate, although I do agree that fully blocking a user is much preferable to the nuclear option.

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            17 days ago

            It would be a waste of time when no one would use the half ban. They’re banning users because they don’t want to serve whatever they’re posting.

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    18 days ago

    If you’re having problems with a lot of people you like being blocked by your server, it’s probably a good sign that you should change your server. That’s kind of the point of being able to do that.

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    When you delete your comment, it’s not actually deleted. When you try replying to a deleted comment, it will show the original comment above the textarea for your reply.

    At least my client ( sync ) does that.

    I always overwrite my comment with “deleted” or similar, before deleting.

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      I think that got fixed.
      Probably something to do with federation. I’d look at it maybe 24h later.
      But for anyone else knowing this open secret and seeing the content…Damage was done.

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    Anytime someone says “it has to be that way because that’s how federation works” they’re wrong. It can be however we want it to be, it’s just a choice.

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    “All” is not necessarily all. Others on your instance, or you, must subscribe to other instance’s magazines for them to show up.

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    Instance admins can see your upvotes/downvotes, as in who specifically upvoted/downvoted something. As far as I’m aware, some front ends just make that information public.