• superkret@feddit.org
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    Why though? A warning to the west?
    Cause last time I checked, Russia and Ukraine are on the same continent, making this a huge waste.

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      Probably a warning in response to letting Ukraine use western missiles deep into russian territory.

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        Funnily enough, it is not according to Russia. The definition of “continent” is almost completely arbritrary anyway, and exactly where you draw the line between Europe and Asia - or if you draw it at all - is probably the fuzziest bit of all. Russia and many other countries just consider Eurasia to be one continent

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            Personally I think that Asia is too big a category to be useful as it is and we should be drawing extra lines. Let the Himalayas, Urals, Altais, and Tian Shans count as continental borders too. Also the Sahara. All of those have been obstacles to human movement as much as oceans have

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    The report is true. The landings were recorded on CCTV.

    https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1859535662539526551

    It was even expected. A few days ago, Ukrainian intelligence informed the public that a non-standard missile attack was likely coming. They had seen launch preparations in Astrakhan and speculated that a liquid-fuel ICBM would be launched with multiple hypersonic glide vehicles.

    Apparently, multiple shots of something considerably more dumb - what seems like six ICBMs with dummy warheads (alternatively a single missile with six warheads, each with six penetration aids) - rained down on Dnipro. It seems that air defense didn’t even fire, no chance of intercepting and what’s the point.

    I guess this must be Putin’s language for “don’t poke our command centers” (Ukrainians recently attacked the command center of Russia’s army group north). I guess Ukrainians can decipher what he means and won’t torch the Kremlin, but will keep poking command centers.

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      While i appreciate the whish that Russian nukes don’t work, it would be exceptional for none of their 10.000 or so to work. Even if only 1 in 1.000 work, that is still enough to annihilate some 10-20 million people or so.

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        Back at the beginning of the arms race, the US believed Russian propaganda that they had significantly more nukes than the US was capable of producing.

        By the time the US had around 4000 nukes, later intelligence revealed Russia had 4. The US decided to maintain the policy of the arms race as it was very beneficial to the defense industry and research.

        The cost to develop and maintain a working thermonuclear weapon is enormous, let alone fission bombs. Russia never had the resources to maintain an arsenal the West isn’t capable of intercepting. You may recall the “Iron Dome” missile defence system that was removed from Europe.

        The rocket platforms are expensive enough. The nuclear material requires time, maintenance, and a fuck load of power to produce.

        I get the fear. China can do it, they have all the resources and knowledge to. Same with India.

        Facts of nukes help: Tritium has a halflife of 12.3 years. Meaning after 12.3 years, the amount of tritium in a nuke is half. the 500lbs of tritium in the 60s is now 35lbs today. Obviously I dont know how much is needed to make a nuke, but it’s not easy to concentrate tritium well. The most effective way is replacing control rods in nuclear reactors with lithium rods. But that’s not the real issue. That’s relatively minor.

        The problem is weapons grade uranium or plutonium. You need to enrich those to very high % of U-235 to get a big enough blast to trigger the fusion reaction. To do that, enormous, power intensive centrifuge facilities are required. And it takes a long time to produce enough for a fission bomb.

        Given that Putin operates on wealth, and the shit state of the Russian military? They didn’t maintain any operational nukes after the Soviet Union fell.

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          Tritium has a halflife of 12.3 years.

          A nitpick: that’s why you use lithium-6 deuteride. It gets converted to tritium by radiation at a moment’s notice. Lithium 6 is a stable isotope.

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            Ok, so I hadn’t known about that. I am surprised I didn’t know about that. It does look like producing it is a minor problem - ~5% of natural lithium is in this form. You can apparently make it in nuclear reactors as well. But you’re right, once you produce it, you have it.

            However, to further my point, isotope separation isn’t exactly easy, and other than the use for nuclear fusion, lithium-6 dueteride doesn’t have value, outside selling for nuclear weapons.

            Knowing about how Putin sold and nationalized private business and government entities in the 90s and early 2000s, I wouldn’t be surprised if he sold the Soviet stockpile for an enormous amount to otherwise sanctioned countries.

            The reason I came to this conclusion was when they withdrew from the Test Ban treaty, and have yet to actually succeed in a nuclear weapon test. I think they are attempting to rebuild their arsenal, and it’s not going well.

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          Russia is the largest country and has access to all the natural ressources necessary. Also Russia has a large civil nuclear industry. Not only their power plants, but also production of Rods for nuclear reactors. A lot of the European nuclear plants run on rods produced in Russia.

          Also the nukes are Russias main deterrent and western intelligence, in particular the US aren’t stupid. Maintaining a sufficient arsenal must have been Russias main strategic objective since 1990.

          If Russia didn’t have enough working nukes for MAD, the western response would look very different.

          Again i get the whish to think like this, but it is naive to believe Russia would have zero working nukes.

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          They definitely report the spending levels to maintain a mixed arsenal, and tbh looking at Russian modernization decisions, they’re focusing on the ‘better’ delivery methods like sea and air launch.

          Russian leadership’s apparent conviction that the US ballistic missile defense system constitutes a real future risk to the credibility of Russia’s retaliatory capability. The poor performance and loss of a significant portion of Russian conventional forces in the war against Ukraine and the depletion of its weapon stockpiles will likely deepen Russia’s reliance on nuclear weapons for its national defense.

          They got drained hard in Ukraine and showed the world that Russia was a paper tiger - only good for a thunder run leadership decapitation or beating back irregular and militant forces. Nukes are their prestige weapon, and the hand wringing over escalation has only served to validate their faith.

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          They just need a centrifuge running the Kovarex refinement recipe. Unlimited U-235!

          Just don’t nuke the worms. It only makes them mad.

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      How insane would that be? A nuke that fails to go off and they were like: just kidddding.