Summary
Gen Z is increasingly relying on “buy now, pay later” (BNPL) services for holiday shopping, with spending projected to rise 11.4% this year, totaling $18.5 billion.
These services appeal to younger consumers with limited credit histories but can lead to overextension, as they lack centralized reporting and encourage overspending.
Experts warn of accumulating fees, particularly when BNPL plans are tied to credit cards.
With inflation and rising credit card debt already burdening Gen Z, consumer advocates caution that these services may worsen financial instability despite their convenience.
When you think there’s no future, there’s no need to plan for one.
Gen Z knows that they’re gonna have bigger problems than debt.
What else are you going to do? Save for a house who’s price rises faster than you can earn money?
And meanwhile your bank or brokerage gets to play with that money for a real investment return
And the wage earner’s taxes will be used to bail them out when they make a bad bet
Yeeeup. Socialism for me, austerity for thee
One big recent consequence is it destroys credit short term, like less than a decade.
It’s recoverable, but every one counts as a new line of credit, which automatically gets closed about a year after payment.
So unless you also have a lot of zombie credit cards, it’s going to keep debt utilization waaaay up, number of accounts waaat up, and keep average age of accounts low.
This snowballs, especially if they ever do but a house. If they day ever comes, they’re going to lose alot of money again.
It’s like experiencing turbulence on a place so you scream YOLO and start playing Russian roulette.
If the plane goes down, it doesn’t matter. If it’s normal no big turbulence, then it’s just as much an increase in risk as playing on land.
They assume they’ll have bigger problems, and they may be right. But it’s should still be concerning.
We got a while before kids are unironically bumping this tho
This snowballs, especially if they ever do but a house
They know this will never happen. They’re not buying houses. They’re renting until they die on an overheated planet that no one wants to do anything about. Where one party rolls coal and the other pretends that the inflation reduction act makes up for the harm caused by the record oil production they brag about.
They know they’re fucked, and there’s no reason not to take on as much debt that they can’t pay back as possible.
Why isn’t this framed as predatory lending?
I’m not sure because it definitely is.
The whole selling point of services like Klarna is they don’t show up on your credit checks, meaning you can very easily take on too much debt.
For the same reason that the subprime mortgage crisis wasn’t; line go up.
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die.
I swear on everything that I’ve read this article word for word years ago but replace gen z with millenials
Every single Millennial also had those predatory debit card overdraft fees.
Banks would allow them to purchase something even if the checking account had no money and then hits them with like 25$ for every overdraft. Practice only outlawed in 2010.
God It was this feeling of helpless anger when banks would screw you while u are down. Thanks Obama for fixing that.
Oh it was far worse than that…
They would actually change the order of your transactions in order to maximize the number of overdrafts (and each cost $30+).
For example, say you’ve got $80 in your account. You buy three separate meals over the course of Monday and Tuesday, and you’ve got $50 left in your account. But now you remember that there is that one thing they NEEDS to be paid for, but it’s $75 and you only have $50 on your account.
Well, you have no choice but to make the payment that brings you to -$25, and incur the single overdraft fee. Sucks, but $30 penalty is less than not having Internet for a month or whatever, so you do it.
So to recap: You had $50 left after those 3 meals. You made one single transaction that brought your account into negative, that means one overdraft fee, right?
Nope.
They would literally re-order the transactions, put the largest one first ($75), bringing your balance down to $5, THEN they would process the meals from Monday and Tuesday giving you THREE separate overdraft fees of $30 each.
So now you owe the bank $90 on top of the $25. And that was what the banks sold as, “overdraft protection.”
Shit was disgustingly egregious. Obama made it illegal I believe.
I wish this “overdraft protection” was opt in so people at least have a chance to understand it. I turn mine off, deny my card who gives a shit
Right, that’s how they fooled people for years. Any normal person would think “overdraft protection” means, “deny the transaction so you don’t overdraft.” But nope, complete opposite.
It was so scummy.
They wouldn’t let me turn mine off. The first bank flat out said no, the credit union charged me $5 to draft $100 from my savings. If there wasnt $100 in the savings, they would charge me the $5 to take what was in my savings and the $25 overdraft to cover the rest. There were no other options.
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Basically reddit 10-15 years ago. The doomsday edging gets stale when you realize things are cyclical. Millennials were supposed to implode with debt by now. An economic cycles or two later and that didn’t happen. Now it’s Gen-Zs turn to be on the brink of doom.
Does it matter. It seems that a lot of them have checked out already as they see the world burning around them.
Hard to blame them.
If were going to slip into a period of hyperinflation then taking on tons of consumer debt is just good financial planning.
This is correct, although usually you’d want to go into debt on something like housing but let’s be honest, that’s not possible. Why not pay an 80 dollar door dash across four payments?
Isn’t that only if wages increase alongside inflation
Oh no. If a fistfull of trillion dollar bills will buy you a shot glass of rice that maxed out credit card from the before time is pointless either way.
If $1,000 today is worth $5,000 tomorrow, you want to spend that $1,000 today so that when you pay up you only pay $1,000. Even if inflation hits you, you still only owe $1,000 no matter how much actual value those dollars still hold.
This is really interesting. Layaway purchases in stores used to be popular but went away in the late 90’s. It’s back now as BNPL, with much worse terms.
Layaway purchases in stores used to be popular but went away in the late 90’s. It’s back now as BNPL, with much worse terms.
Lawaway is superior. Laywaway had zero interest charges. Some places charged a flat fee, but you also didn’t get your item until the full balance was paid. There’s no chance of a lawaway purchase spiraling into a huge expense. The expense is fixed at the time of layaway and never gets higher. Lawaway also builds the ability to delay gratification, which is an important life skill that is sometimes not common.
BNPL has none of that consumer protection.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the key difference in layaway that you didn’t have access to the item until it was paid off? I remember my mom putting holiday gifts on layaway at Walmart. They’d be kept in storage in the back of the store, and would be given over only after they were fully paid off.
Buy now/pay later plans allow the consumer access to the item now, with a payment plan to follow. It’s much more akin to credit than layaway.
Yes. You had the honor of reserving the item from sale by paying more. BNPL is like the boss in its final form. You can have but don’t own it. Maybe it’s more akin to old furniture places with leases.
https://www.retailmenot.com/blog/walmart-layaway.html
Walmart actually just stopped layaway entirely in 2021 for BNPL.
In the UK the Littlewoods catalogue is the one I remember. You’d end up paying well over the RRP with a year or two of monthly payments.
lol time to write an article vilifying young people who somehow aren’t thriving in our flawless economic system. What self-indulgent idiots they are. Where’s my Pulitzer?
Who is teaching them financial literacy in the first place? Because they aren’t being taught it in schools. Meanwhile, these predatory companies do everything they can to convince people to use them.
Cool, except I was very clearly talking about the financial literacy to not do things like get suckered by a predatory lender.
Why are you against that?
This is the level of discourse at this point. Someone makes an observation or a comment and people think responding with a meme is a “gotcha.”
No wonder everything is fucked.
The label on the on the guy being explode talks about paying your staff a living wage. Basically, it’s a dunk on arguments that raising the minimum wage would loose jobs.
And it had absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about besides the term “financial literacy.”
If you don’t think it’s sensible to teach young people to avoid predatory lenders before it’s too late, just say so. Otherwise this is irrelevant.
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My credit card is just a proxy for my debit card, with benefits.
I thought everyone used theirs this way, I tell friends I have a credit card and they gasp.
Like wtf, it’s only as dangerous as you are. Use it, pay it. In, out. Ez pz.
It’s not just a matter of how big the purchase is. The you next year still who still pays for the car will also still be using the car. The you next month who still pays for the meal would have already pooped the meal.
Also I’ll add that there are some things that feel wrong that they just aren’t prepared for you to pay cash for. My audiologist was shocked when I asked him to put my hearing aids on a single debit payment and we had to break it up into three payments. My car was two payments one a day after the first. I was raised to save up for expenses where possible and avoid debt for anything but cars, houses, and education (and hoo boy did I get a lecture on expected income vs price of degree).
And I have to say that these issues are a combination of systemic and cultural. You don’t get this being so common with it being an individual failing, and you don’t get the situations I’ve described or the issues with debt avoiders getting screwed when we look to get a rare responsible loan without it being systemic. But also you don’t get people casually splurging with money they don’t have without it being cultural. Fiscal responsibility isn’t fun or sexy (though actually I have found a casual partner more attractive for the fact that she has retirement savings and minimal debt), but after decades of propaganda encouraging wasteful lifestyles and fiscal irresponsibility I think it’s time we engage in a multi prong approach to this problem. And that very much includes teaching the average American how to live a more frugal lifestyle while also making sure that they can get what they need (housing, transit, education, community participation, cultural enrichment, etc) at an affordable cost to their income.
Yeah, it’s pretty fucking insane the things people are taking on debt for. I genuinely can’t understand it. I mean, I know we live in a society that’s pretty fucked from capitalism and inequality and stuff isn’t easy, but it is common sense to avoid debt as much as possible. Do they just think the money is free?
Stuff like this is why the headline Econ stats do not actually reflect reality.
Sure, there’s lots of room for critiquing how the media and the investor class focus on stats that are not actually representative of things on the ground for fairly complex mathematical/economic reasons, but that conversation requires people to have a Masters on Econ to understand.
What does not require this is the much simpler: They do not take personal debt levels and credit scores into account.
People say things like ‘inflation is going up’ ‘i cant afford as much as i used to’ and … the main actual reason for this is usually that they’re drowning in debt, but are either unaware or don’t want to admit it.
This is a country where 54% of adults read and write at below a 6th grade level. Probably a comparable amount can’t actually do their own budget.
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It doesn’t matter if your wages go up 2% in a year if you had to spend that year buying groceries on credit to not starve, and those all have 16 to 36% interest rates.
Systemic issues can only be solved with systemic changes.
No amount of shaming individuals will fix systemic debt issues, if this is such a large trend that it effects most of the generation then it can only be fixed with systemic changes.
The narrative that individuals are responsible for widespread debt is propaganda meant to shift blame off of the rich people causing wealth inequality to skyrocket
No clue how you read myself shaming individuals into what I wrote.
I was writing to explain why everyone feels poorer than all the headline Econ numbers say we should feel.
Why all the libs who spent the last year or two telling us ‘the economy is fine actually’ were just factually wrong, functionally gaslighting everyone.
If anything, I call out the media, media friendly ‘economists’ and business people for perpetuating bullshit.
Obviously a general explosion in personal debt levels is a general, systemic problem with systemic solutions?
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I am all for systemic solutions:
Tax the Wealthy / Tax Corporations
Get rid of student loans, do free tuition
Do a total debt jubilee for those below I dunno 200% poverty income threshold
Cap all consumer credit instruments of all kinds at 3x the Fed Rate
Raise the threshold of income for SNAP and LIHEAP and EITC, etc
Implement universal healthcare, outlaw private insurance, lower costs
Raise the minimum wage
Rent control, automatically expunge all eviction records after 1 or 2 years, actually fund building public housing, write a law that says if a house or condo is on market, unsold, you must drop its price by 5% for every 3 months it remains unsold…
Blah blah, tons of things we could theoretically do.
Only systemic changes will fix systemic issues.
… Are you a bot, or do you just have extremely poor reading comprehension?
Can you explain how me stating that a whole bunch of people have a lot of debt … implies I am blaming them individually for this?
If I told you that black men are much more likely to be sentenced heavily for the same crimes, abused or killed by cops… would you think that means I am implying that that is their fault?
If I told you that trans people have higher suicide rates… am I also implicitly saying that is their fault?
How…are you reading a causal or morally prescriptive blame into these statements that are just data, just statistics… after I have already stated that obviously these are systemic problems that require systemic solutions?
If you understand that these systemic issues will only be solved by systemic changes then that’s it.
Idk why you keep replying
I mean, we’ve been telling them their entire lives that the planet is doomed, and they have no future… So why the fuck not bring on the debt?
I’m going to be brutally honest.
- Corporations are shitstains and prey upon people’s minds and wants.
- People today are too entitled / greedy.
No. You don’t need that phone to survive, solid but low end one will easily carry you next 3-5 years. No, you do not need to go for McD for breakfast - eat a homemade sandwhich. Takes the same amount of time it’d take to get McD served to you.
But today a lot of folk take a lot of shit for granted or worse, needed, and it’s pitiful.
Fuck, that also is due to corporate ads and framing. But people need to wake up and stop fueling this shit on their own. And stop blaming schools - this shit is for parents to teach ffs, like the rest of actual household chores.
Also I am not arguing for everyone to live frugally but instead to learn a mindful way of spending. If you actually have free money, money you own and not a credit, then sure, treat yourself.
It’s something I don’t understand. Writing this on a 5 year old phone that cost me 130 euros back then. I do have the money to buy any reasonable phone on the market (not some vanity ones for rich people to show off, but like the top of the line iPhone or Pixel, whatever).
But why would I when the old one still works and does everything I need? Why would I order food when I can just make something myself? If I want to treat myself, I go to a restaurant that I actually like and spend like 30 euros tops. That’s once every one or two months. Why do people overspend on this?
If you have kids and actually struggle with basic goods, that is something completely different. But I get the point you’re trying to make - some people just feel entitled to a standard of living that they can’t afford, and corporations gladly exploit that. And honestly, they’d be stupid not to. A sucker is born every minute. It’s up to the legislative to stop this predatory behavior because the market won’t regulate itself in this regard.
And you’re right, it’s not up to school to teach this - I wanted to comment on this one as well - school is supposed to turn you into a person that can think for yourself and realize that a high interest rate is something to your disadvantage. Not to exactly tell you what to do in situation X should you ever encounter it. Because society and its problems change and then suddenly what you learned no longer applies.
In the end, I can’t tell people how to spend their money. But once might make the case that with BNPL, people spend money that’s not not actually theirs yet. And once these people need help, is going to be society to foot bills, not the corporations who made money off it.
Systemic issues can only be solved with systemic changes…
No amount of shaming individuals will fix systemic debt issues, if this is such a large trend that it effects most of the generation then it can only be fixed with systemic changes.
The narrative that individuals are responsible for widespread debt is propaganda meant to shift blame off of the rich people causing wealth inequality to skyrocket
There is propaganda and then there is fact that nobody teaches their children about budgeting and financial responsibility. Do not treat credit like money you own, do not allow yourself to perceive luxury items as something you need, be mindful of what you can actually afford. Today people seem to have problems with these ideas - lack of education on the topic and aggressive ad campaigns by corporations resulted in that.
But while we cannot change masses, we not only can, but we should point this out to as many people as we can. Often all you need to notice something is for someone else to ask question about why that happens. And yeah, sure, maybe helping one or two people won’t make a dent, and even then these people may already be past saving or simply unable to pick up new habits. But if every mindful person tries to help someone else at least once, shift in society is guaranteed. And such shift will result, maybe, in actual change.
And, on a more flat approach - being aware of your own budgeting limits, spending power and how much money you use is not actually yours tends to radicalize people against the rich.
Only systemic changes can fix systemic issues .
This widespread propaganda needs to be countered with grassroots encouragement of more practical relationships with money though. That’s the cultural onus for systematic change. Don’t just shame them, but encourage everyone to live more responsibly and to vote for people who will reign in the creditors spreading this propaganda and loaning easy money to every financially irresponsible person
Without grassroots cultural change anyone who reigns this shit in will face political suicide for taking away their easy lines of credit. We see similar things with things like carbon taxation and other incentives to reduce carbon emissions that involve reducing overconsumption by all people (because yes, the average American is part of the problem too). The elites need to lose the most, but all of us need to live a financially and environmentally sustainable lifestyle and the systemic changes we all talk about wanting will impact our lives.
Only systemic changes will fix systemic issues
Oh wonderful and I suppose we should do nothing to bring those systemic changes about too? No systemic changes begin with changes to our community mindsets. The big creditors want you to not be talking about how they’re propagandizing to convince you to take easy lines of casual credit for fun little splurges and that that’s a trap and you shouldn’t take it. They want you to think that it’s not worth saving money and living within your means and they want you to keep up with the joneses and to make your friends uncomfortable not doing so. And most importantly they want people to feel like any expectation that they shouldn’t get instant and constant gratification is an unacceptable cost. When they get their way systemic change is infeasible. When they are seen as parasites lying to the masses and tricking them into living beyond their means, systemic change becomes possible. Politics are downstream of culture. You can’t change the policy neatly as easily as you can change the minds of those around you
Pretending like individual choices would do anything ignores the fact that these systemic issues can only be fixed with systemic changes
No amount of financial literacy will fix income inequality, we need to redistribute wealth if we want everyone to have the proportional wealth to participate in the economy.
I hate BNPY so much… I deleted my after pay account, which means I can no long use their services unless I get in contact with support to reopen my account. I did it to explicitly make it near impossible for me to be tempted. It worked. There were times I felt regret, but it was 100% the smartest move.
Then, PayPal introduced pay in 4… All my hard work went right down the drain. I can’t afford this shit but fuck it’s hard when you’re clinically depressed.
Services should be required to allow you to opt out of being offered such things. I choose to live a debt minimal lifestyle because of how I was raised, and I don’t want to be tempted. The same goes for online gambling. (And alcohol advertisements, but I do drink).
Is this actually worse than the five figure credit limits gen x had extended to them? Boomers had store layaway, which really seems ideal for holiday shopping, but there’s no money to be made with it so of course it’s fallen out of style.
five figure credit limits gen x had extended to them
chase gave me a $17K limit before i was even 20 in the 90s. i know more than a few people who would have had that maxed out the next day
