I know Lemmy has the ACAB sentinment, and I get it, I don’t trust them either. But real talk tho, there are some scenarios where you might not have other options.
So… the question is: When, if ever, would you call for law enforcement? And if you distrust law enforcement, is there ever a situation where it gets so bad that you just have to risk involving law enforcement?
When I need a police report for the insurance.
Depending on what happened they might not make one for you. I drove my car to work, parked in a parking lot, and came back out at the end of the day to a heavily dented fender with blue paint scrapes on my red paint. It was obvious someone hit me. I called the police station, told them what happened, and asked for a police report. They declined and said it might have been a deer. It’s a busy/high traffic area and there wasn’t any green space for atleast a half mile.
Oh man I would have asked to check their lot if I heard some bullshit like that lol.
Never heard deer driving blue cars
I’ve called them several times to get a report for car break in or vandalism. Once i got a check from a victim fund for my broken window and missing stuff. Called them because someone in a scream mask was banging on my front door at 3am.
Similar vein: when dealing with fraud, etc. I was victim of credit card and identity theft and found that businesses and credit cards took my disputes more seriously when I informed them I had contacted police already.
Hell, a police report used to be required to dispute fraudulent credit card charges, freeze your credit report, etc. Ask me how I know…
I have no issues calling law enforcement. I actually have done so a few times in my life, for various reasons (reporting safety issues, traffic accidents, crime). And I feel quite safe with it, as I live in a civilized country, where the police is a very professional service of highly trained people, and not just some jerks who got hired because the knew how to hold a gun and then got a few weeks of (online) training on how to write tickets.
Think of it this way. You are in a courtroom and the lawyer asks 'why didn’t you call the police?"
If your home was burglarized and you don’t call the cops, the police will assume you’ve been doing something illegal. Most people will call the cops just to have a police report on file for the insurance or to claim a tax loss.
I’m not white though, pretty sure they’d assume I did something illegal as soon as I opened the door. lol. How would calling the
crazy racists on steroids with gunscops help? Seems like a very unnecessary risk. Also, why would I be in a courtroom due to my home getting robbed?I’m not a homeowner, but guessing that applies for renter’s insurance too. Never had to use it, thankfully, but that’s def good info to have! If robbed, leave drugs at friend’s house so you can make an insurance claim.
I wonder if you actually have to interact with a cop for that. Really adds insult to injury (again, if you’re not white of course)
Why am I in a courtroom after being burglarized?
“According to their neighbors, Monkey Puppet’s house was burglarized on 12/22/2024. No police reports were filed by Monkey Puppet. This gave the police probable cause to search their house, where they found the contraband.”
You’re massively overestimating the amount of work police will voluntarily do.
I had construction workers break into my business because they decided to work while I was closed. Called the police, they let them stay.
While walking in the bosque near the Rio Grande someone was shooting into the trees and nearly hit us. The cops’s solution was I should carry a gun and shoot back next time. This is within city limits. Same solution when I called them about hunters illegally hunting (both out of season, and within city limits).
There were meth heads squatting in the house next to my parents. They broke into the garage and stole multiple of my wife’s firearms. The sheriff’s deputies told us if the suspects turned up dead no one would really investigate it. They never investigated the theft, it took months to get a report, and even longer for the serial numbers to be entered into the database as missing.
While riding my bike a cop ran a red light and nearly hit me. He started to write me a ticket until he realized I was wearing a camera on my helmet. He told me to be more careful in the future and he was letting me off with a verbal warning.
It would likely take a dead body for me to call the police.
I wouldn’t even call the police for a dead body.
Fr. I was never there and didn’t see it.
Exactly
In my experience police have always been kind and helpful. Not everyone has the same experience I suppose.
Yeah a lot of people hate their local police because of something that happened on the other side of the country. You should only distrust your local department when you have a reason to distrust them. I live in a little town and the local police are super chill.
Nice! Chill police is a great thing to have in town.
A cop on my local police force pulled over a driver while off duty and pulled his gun on the poor guy. He wasn’t local and just made an illegal turn without realizing it. (I think the cop may have been drinking as well). Thanks to the driver having a dash cam that recorded the entire incident the cop was eventually forced to resign.
On the other hand I had a police lieutenant that lived a few doors down from me (same police department) and he was a really nice guy, both off duty and on. Once when I was a victim of identity theft, the cop on desk duty that I spoke to refused to take a report from me. I later spoke to my neighbor and he told me in no uncertain terms that the other guy was wrong. My neighbor told me to go request a report again when he was on duty, and to immediately call him if I ran into problems again.
So you can find all sorts of both good & bad cops in just about any department….
Some music gear got stolen from my van parked in my driveway.
I called the cops the next day, they came over and took a report and told me nothing ever gets recovered.
Then I called around the music shops to report serial numbers and stuff. Within a day I got most of my equipment back, especially the expensive parts.
But the cop who took my report for some reason was tasked with doing the recovery from the second hand store, and he was really mad about it.
That was about 12 years ago, and since then I have come to the conclusion that I would only deploy police in conditions where I would be willing to deploy lethal force which is almost never, and ideally probably never.
I’ve called them on my brother a few times when he’s been abusive and it starts crossing the line to physical. The last two times I had to call the dispatcher I talked to immediately asked if it was my brother by using his name.
I’d call the police for a lot of things.
Bro… they know y’all by name? Can you get out? Are you safe right now?
They know my brother by name.
I’m safe, I love in another state than he does now, but I appreciate your concern!
I am in a relatively stable area with police who are reasonably well-behaved and under rational oversight. So… all the usual reasons?
I’ve called because I sighted a possibly rabid animal. The police didn’t arrive in a hail of gunfire which struck a bunch of innocent bystanders. I’ve had them turn up to take notes on a car accident. They were polite and not aggressive.
Like, I fully recognize I’m lucky to live in an area where the police aren’t abusive. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to call them because they are assholes somewhere else.
Ditto
Burglary of my house, kidnapping, missing person, missing vehicle presumed stolen (after checking any other options), and in case a certain few unstable people I know showed up at my front door.
I’ve debated calling the non-emergency number to ask what the speed limit was on an unmarked stretch of road, but decided not to.
If someone is attempting to, or has already broken into my house, or things like a man following me, and it’s clear he’s following me with malicious intentions (I am a girl, so being female means I’d have a harder time defending myself against a man if he really wants to harm me). Basically if my life or another person’s life is in danger.
I called them recently after the alarm system went off at 2am and I found the front door wide open. It seemed likely at the time that someone had tried to break in, and might possibly be in the house yet. Nobody was found by the police, and our own investigation of cameras and playing with the alarm system proved the front door’s alarm sensor has a lot of wiggle room and the front door was probably just barely open and pushed the rest of the way by the wind.
In the moment it seemed the only reasonable course of action, and without the benefit of knowing the actual cause I think I would call them again, even though I was in fear for my life (from the cops) for part of the event. I suppose the anarchist thing to do would be to be armed and wake up the neighbors for backup or something.
Our local police are really good, we call them a couple times a year for accidents in our front yard (we live in a fairly busy road where a 35 mph speed limit means read your phone while doing 50…). They are always really professional and helpful to both the drivers and us. It helps that our borough has I think 8 officers total.
I have also called when a driver got mad at me for turning towards our old apartment while he tried to pass us which caused him to spin in the middle of an intersection somehow. He then followed us to our building, and started beating on my window and cussing me out while I was on the phone with 911. Drove off before the cop showed up but I got a blurry picture of his plate as he drove away. Showed the cop who read it no problem, found out it was the guys wife’s car. Asked if we wanted to press assault charges (we didn’t, just asked him to go talk with the guys wife, figure that would be punishment enough when he got home from the bar he was at). Cop called me later that evening to check on us and let us know the guys wife was livid when the cop stopped by to chat with her.
Overall, our local police in the various boroughs around Pittsburgh have been pretty great, can’t say the same for the ones downtown though.
Ay fellow Pittsburgh person. Surprisingly good cop experiences here too. Obviously ACAB because fuck the system in general, but twice in the last couple years there were some domestic disturbance calls around here, and the cops deescalated some VERY loud and angry situations. I think it helps that they are smaller groups who tend to live here
If I thought introducing an upredictable and aggressive person with a gun was better than not doing that.
Imminent threat of bodily harm and no route for escape. Calling the cops will get you an armed response. The only time an armed response is at all appropriate is if life could be lost otherwise. Any other time, it’s best not to bring a gun into the situation.
Fair but calling for this reason is more likely to end with the cops showing up after the bodily harm has occurred. You need a way to self-host your armed response.
“When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
Point being it’s a last resort. I’ve lost all other options, may as well at least get someone there to ID the body or somesuch.
“Send fire, not police. I just need someone brave to show up.”
get the Marshall, not the sheriff
Never if you’re in the US. You call the cops and now you have two problems instead of one and the new problem is guaranteed to be trigger happy.