Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
It’s insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn’t a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn’t say out loud to fight the “red menace.”
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the “leftists” and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
Fun new things keep coming out.
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don’t think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
sardines are actually a cheap, nutritious and filling dinner
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don’t care, which is the most fucked up part
That doesn’t make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
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Do you really think making a martyr out of MLK is a strategy the US gov wouldn’t have anticipated had they murdered him/let him be murdered?
Dude would not be what he is today had he not been murdered.
But as a martyr the government can paint him as being only about racism, not about economics.
Also he was assassinated 4 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, so to say he wouldnt remembered without being killed is a gross exaggeration. It may have boosted his legacy, but there is not doubt he would still be an important figure in American history.
Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like “culture wars”) are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.
Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people’s unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.
Exactly. It struck me that they must be diverting attention from something when they came out with the alien stuff
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You don’t need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It’s all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.
I’m not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.
I’m saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they’re involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.
It’s interesting that the big “revelations” of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:
Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.
The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.
Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.
So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women’s health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean… yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).
Trump conspired against the USA.
Fact. Not a theory.
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i search this …2023 Aug. 3, Trump pleaded not guilty to three counts of conspiracy and one count of obstruction, all related to the Jan. 6 insurrection. (many sources easy to find).
Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
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Yes ! Thanks for reminding me - - this is so telling.
So very clear for us and yet some conservative sees nothing. What a shame.Because patriotism was always only a tool to let them attack their fellow Americans, when Putin offers a better way of attacking liberals and progressives they’ll happily support Russia.
His son in law took money from them too.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
What I wouldn’t do to have the transcripts of his private conversation with Putin that only one other US personnel, the interpreter, was allowed to attend. Just Putin, Trump, and the translator. No one else was allowed in other than Putins translator.
Try to tell me Putin wasn’t giving orders or giving information to Trump that he expected Trump to use in Putins favor…
I suspect that Trump’s taking national classified documents included these documents. Trump classified these with the highest of secret classifications at the time to hide them, and he did not dare leave them for Biden to get his hands on.
If Biden’s administration could still could get these transcripts, they could have been redacted to take out the sensitive parts and been declassified. We are likely to not have all the secret documents that Trump took, still.
I can’t see a situation where the US would have actively supported Russia, but it’s 100% believable that our support for Ukraine would be significantly muted if Trump were still president. And this would almost certainly also translate into reduced support from the rest of NATO.
Trump being on the ruzzian payroll is not a secret. He’s a puppet.
When he was elected (with the help of russia), he was brougt into a dark smoke filled room that smelled like sigarettes and cheap vodka, with a dosen men was sitting behind their desks. He couldn’t see any faces. No words said before Trump said: “what’s my agenda?”
I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.
Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.
Which time?
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Conspiracies require more than one actor. Who are the others? Otherwise, he’s just a bloated orange painted Cheeto with objectively tiny hands committing crimes.
Not sure if you’ve followed just the “alternate” electors plot, but that alone is pretty conspiratorial.
He was literally indicted (in part) for conspiracy. There are easily findable legal documents that list all the others.
His lawyers, some of his staff in the white house and kid rock
Probably Roger Stone too
Do your research on the case and the answers will be very obvious.
Industries are making bad products on purpose to weed out consumers with standards, therefore breeding a crop of consumers that exist only to give their money to them if they ask.
That is exactly why Shein and Temu exist as far as I can tell.
I have no clue what temu even is, like what is it and how is it different than other sites?
It’s not different than other sites. It’s exactly the same as Wish or Ali Express. Extremely cheaply made goods that will probably give you lead poisoning with enough use.
Pound shop crap direct from the manufacturer
Yeah, it’s stuff that shitty shops like Woolworths used to sell for £9.99 but it’s £1 with postage included now and straight from the source.
You can get some total rubbish and you can get some generically shit stuff that’s as good as anything else in the shops, there’s great stuff too compared to other options but it’s hard to find.
Quality is generally better for things designed for the Chinese market, they just sell overstock cheap where as the made for export is made to be cheap.
Really quality isn’t a huge issue in manufacturing for a lot of things because everything is well within basic tolerances of the machines, is it’s just a few bits of plastic and a PCB then they’re going to come out the same from anywhere
From what I can see it’s the new Wish
It’s basically the same as AliExpress or Wish but with the junk being warehoused in the US instead of China. So you can get your junk in like a week instead of a couple months.
I’m seeing ads for this constantly on YouTube. Might finally go to vanced.
That’s just unregulated capitalism.
This is like the physical product version of the Nigerian prince scam - have something so shit that the only people who engage with you are idiots.
Can you clarify a bit?
Do you mean that they are trying to identify, corral, and market heavily to these low-standards consumers so as not to waste their time with the rest (analogous to email scams)?
Or more that they are progressively beating down our collective level of standard so as to make the cheap crap more broadly palatable?
I don’t necessarily disagree with either, but they are pretty different, so just curious which direction you are going.
Not OP, so I can not be certain what exactly they thought, but I alsi think that while idea of capitalism is that competition will bring best product to the top, it is pretty damn hard to make great and successful product.
My understanding, and belief, is that they internationaly push only mediocre if not completely bad products, so that consumer expectations are being kept low.
They don’t want to hear ‘they don’t build them like they used to’ any more. It is not good for business.
This js so obvious with movies and tv shows. From management’s perspective success is totaly random and non understadable, so keep expectations low.
We still talk about Firefly, about Braking Bad, Sopranos, even Star Trek Thr Next Generations for a reason, but it is hard to make something equally good again so they all make mediocre shows.
Is it a conspiracy theory if it’s damn near verifiably true?
Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.
Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.
He also closed (rather than overhauling/updating) mental health facilities, dramatically increasing the homeless population.
I genuinely think they have a cult like belief that they need to fuck over poor people as much as possible to maintain a society in which they can be above the law, infinitely powerful and wealthy.
Everything they’re doing seems calculated to cause problems and ruin solutions.
Dude if you haven’t read it, Dark Alliance is about the CIA’s cocaine contras and it’s pretty eye opening.
Uh I haven’t but isn’t that written by Gary Webb?
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I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.
I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.
Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.
Is there this kind of conspiracy now?
ABSOLUTELY YES.
In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It’s almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought “hey, this is actually a decent plan!”
It might feel almost like that but there’s no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.
None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.
There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.
Yes. And they know protecting themselves means destroying lives of billions so they need to make sure the billions won’t go after them. And since the masses are also aware of the situation it means at least short-term planning against the people. This requires at least basic coordination between interest groups and gradual capturing of whatever means of power are still left for the masses. Then they figure out how easy it is to wield even more power and off we go to the land of the tin foil headwear.
Id say we repalce millionares, politicians and all of the leadership with A.I. Im convinced that it will pretty much save us from ourselves, or at least from ashole leadership since they are not capable of making decisions for the greater good, specially when it comes to inequality and global warming. Democracy is a lie, we are playing a videogame and we are the little brother with an unpluged controler being made to think that we are playing, but we are not and the controller is just so that we dont riot.
AI simply reproduces the world it has obtained all its content from. It’s not intelligent in any way, shape or form. It’s a system perpetuator and it’s not going to save you.
But we are close, and it could probably do a better job than the leadership that we have right now if we feed it with the right data. But when i mean A.I. i dont mean language models or machine learning, I mean the singularity type thing that can get better and realize when its failing so that it can correct it and itself.
We’re not close at all. It’s good at some well-defined tasks, that’s all. It is not intelligent, it cannot think, it is not capable of ruling the world and neither should we want it to. “Hey, here’s all the fucking terrible decisions humans have made in the past, copy them.”
I say that we should feed it diferent data and tune its performance before we set it out, of course we are not gonna put chat gpt as it is as the president and pray, of course not, and yes its not inteligent, neither are our leaders, but it would be able to control logistics amd enforce a judiciary system in a fair way . I think that you are simply not open to that idea and i respect that since there are a lot of risks to the A.I. thing, like it going full skynet on us, but imho it shouldnt do that unless we explicitly program it to destroy all humans, and you cant denny that the cycle of corruption with human leadership is just gonna continue no matter what system or people we put on the kings throne, and given time it will always fail or default into tyrany and fascism. Communism is unacheabable, they never get past the dictatorship part, democracy (even if voting actually did something) ends up defaulting into a popularity contest and the masses in all honestly can be terribly wrong be it by willingly having bad hatefull takes or by being manipulated, and i think i really shouldnt explain why tyrany or fascism are wrong, and anarchic comunities work only in a very small scale like tribes or small villages and even then they are usually reigned by religious believes and traditions. You could have something going with social democracies, but the problem of corruption is always present, and it suffers the same problem as democracies. The only thing that might work is the warhamer thing with the god emperor, (stick with me, im serious on this one) in like the golden age of humanity, since by ourselves we are never acheaving unity, we would need an all powerfull figure to trully unite us all, and since we dont have magical psichic neandertals, and religion is a no go, id say that an omnipresesnt benevolent, A.I. is the next best thing.
FFS
I’d put the cutoff between the “natural” history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.
One of the first things Reagan did when he took office was take down the solar panels from the White House that Jimmy Carter had put up there.
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Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with “rival” agencies.
They had all the information on 911 but all in different agencies and different people who didn’t connect the dots.
After blm and j6, I am assuming feds did it.
No big ticket item crime in US gets done with out them playing at least some role.
Hell they don’t even need to do much. A few internet comments, and bada bing bada boom, you got a headline.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
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Kremlinology tripped me up way more than it should have.
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Just like we have audio evidence that Russia shot down that plane back in 2014
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and it happened again, and again, and again. russians get broke/angry -> manufacture crisis -> blame the outsider -> invade them -> putin remains a master strategist
I don’t believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.
It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof
The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.
Moving target and you don’t make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?
If it’s the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage
Please keep in mind:
The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.
For examples please see Fidel Castro
Trust me I’m well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of “they’re incompetent fools” and “their power is limitless and they’re all knowing”.
Doesn’t change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that’s standing still than one moving in a car
It was mafia.
I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.
Over thirty people making videos it taking pictures in the plaza, every story and statement poured over time and time again in intricate detail… And we’re still no where near a consensus opinion on what happened.
I think Oswald acted alone and got two shots with one making contact and the other hitting the curb. The kill shot was from a Secret Service agent who fell forward in a moving vehicle.
Oh, the AR-15 got JFK too? Sheeit. /s
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Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary’s monkey and Mary’s mosaic.
Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.
We’re either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we’re fucked.
we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years
This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.
Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y’all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.
And that’s even assuming that we would do it. You’re basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can’t even convince people to stop burning coal, and that’s for our own enormous benifit.
Smack a religion on it and you’re good to go
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I get your point but it’s only marginal benefit for our limited immediate perspective. Even if we stop actively destroying our planet, we are still at risk of catching a stray asteroid and that would be it for our whole civilization and most of life. We really need to learn better self-preservation at an interstellar scale.
Yea, we’re talking about sending people out on trips that could last for hundreds/thousands of years, with no way to provide support or backup if anything goes wrong along the way, to go to other planets that may not even be habitable when they get there. We don’t know if there’s any other sort of faster-than-light travel even possible, so there very well may not be any space travel shortcuts. Chances are “the great filter” is just the astronomical distances between everything and so all life eventually figures out it’s better to just stay home. If anything, maybe the best we can hope for is to convert all the mass in our solar system into a Dyson sphere and just wait out our Sun for a few billion years, that may be more realistic than travel to another star system (maybe slightly less impossible).
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I like the theory that we’re a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who’s to say it doesn’t “usually” take a couple billion years.
On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.
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Or maybe there’s a bunch of civilizations that are currently 10 million years into their timeline and just haven’t reached us yet!
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How is that a conspiracy theory? Surely that’s philosophy/science extrapolation.
Whenever this comes up I remember the story of someone going to the Amazon and asking a tribe how to communicate long distances. Like future sci fi technology. They used drums to communicate so all they could come up with was really big drums that can go further than their current ones.
If they were looking for intelligent life they couldn’t even imagine radio waves nevermind understand it or search for it.
We feel alone, but that’s because all other intelligent life is staying away.
Nobody wants to meet meat.
There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.
Yeah, it’s called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.
2012 is the end of the world
I certainly haven’t felt alive since.
Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?
So this is dark, but… my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so… slightly different reasoning but I’ve been saying this for years.
My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn’t believe. Like if it somehow turned out he’d been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he’d tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.
i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true
We’re really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.
Absolutely true, although imo not necessarily as a conscious choice. It’s simply earth’s feedback systems. We cram all kinds of animals together and accidentally breed highly contagious viruses, which come back to bite us in the ass. We destroy biodiversity and now people in certain parts of the world have to manually pollinate crops, because the insects all died. Etc.
If all goes well, earth will find a balance again that still favours life (possibly not human life). If not, earth might end up like Venus. Not a big deal for earth, but a bit of shame of all this life we currently see here.
I agree with the first point. Using our human bodies as an example when we get infected. It gets really warm. It’s usually a technique used to kill bacteria among other defenses.
I don’t personally believe it’s some kind of “I got my peace for a brief moment and want more” thing. I just believe that we ramped up production after the COVID “recovery” period and we went back to business as usual at a rapid rate.
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Brief search - we’re fucking with homeostasis?
I get where you’re coming from, but rather than the “earth trying to kill us”, we are causing the earth to kill us through our own selfishness, willful ignorance and greed.
I don’t even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.
