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Why do smokers of all kinds have to smoke right in front of the door of every fucking building?
I remember when they did it INSIDE buildings. And cars. Schools, hospitals… if you lived through the 80’s you just have the pervasive smell of tobacco registered as a prime core memory.
I use to live in Vegas as a child occasionally. We’d sometimes go to the casinos for shows and have to cross The Floor
I can still feel it on my skin decades and decades later
I remember looking for the grocery carts with built in ashtray.
Because they’re selfish inconsiderate pricks who can’t fathom how disgusting they truly are.
Because that tiny overhang is the only goddamn shade/rain shelter in this entire city block. People love designating “that spot over there” as the smoking spot but hate putting any sort of shelter from the elements.
Go get wet fucker, I give no fucks, you chose to smoke not me.
I also give no fucks, so here we are.
“I don’t care about your comfort (and your health a little, but its your choice)”
“Well I don’t care about your health(or your comfort, but its my choice), so here we are.”
I swear to god I am going to carry a fucking bucket of water from now on
So? Whoever brought the cigarettes should bring a jacket or umbrella too.
That spot “over there” is so the smelly smoke can also stay “over there” and not end up in the lungs of healthy people.
At my apartment buulding they stand right in front of the no smoking sign at the front step to the building on the building’s property where smoking is not allowed. If they stabd 5 ft over, they’re on the sidewalk where it’s okay.
But nope, they have to stand right there.
It felt like that for me in a lot of Europe, but not America.
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Bro, Imma be honest, as a nicotine addict, I wouldnt encourage anyone get on it. You start seeing nicotine as a stimulant that you “need” to get through difficult tasks, or tasks that need focus, or shit, maybe you even need to game a bit better because you’re sleep deprived(caused by the nicotine) and having an extra stimulant alongside some caffeine might help. You start using it to get through stuff, and then because of withdrawals, that “”“”“justifies”“”“” your use of it to get through stuff even more. Not to mention nicotine’s bad effects on your gum health and cardiovascular health.
By the way, for anyone reading this, fuck vaping. Harder to quit than smoking because a lot of people get nicotine salt disposables, or their mental process when in withdrawal/craving phase is “oh it’s just vapor, not smoke which is carcinogenic, one more hit couldn’t hurt”. Which is true, smoke, tar, combustion, etc is the main cancer causing part of nicotine, but thinking of it like that doesn’t help you quit.
Don’t smoke, don’t vape. Longest I’ve lasted is a month so far, and that’s because I threw my little nic salt pen and carts away.
Edit Addendum: Btw, this is typed by a mofo who is still vaping, I relapsed. I fell into that same line of logic above. “I need it to get through work” type shit
I have the exact opposite experience with vaping, but I realize anecdotal evidence is not admissible. I had been smoking roll-your-owns to save money and my use skyrocketed. Switched to a low % nicotine vape and just hit that for the next few years. When my daughter was born and I realized I wouldn’t be able to vape in the house anymore, I may as well have gone back to smoking, so I just stopped. Since I had been smoking that low % stuff, I wound up having no withdrawals at all and pretty much walked away unscathed. It can be a great tool for quitting if used responsibly.
Tanks are usually better. Nic-salt is what got my dumbass twisted lol.
I bring words of encouragement: Fuck yeah. Any hit you don’t take is a win, so keep at it!
I struggle with alcohol and I’m not gonna drink today again. Maybe skip a hit for a stranger on the internet, and the world’ll keep a couple lights a little longer.
Where the fuck do I light one up then, your holy highness?
Any place where you don’t force your smoke upon people who have no choice about being there. It’s not that hard: Don’t make your smoking anybody else’s problem.
Or, if this is more your style of communicating: Up your ass.
In Canada, a minimum of 6’ away from the door unless you want a fine.
It’s only 6’ in Canada? It’s 50’ in the US.
Of course nobody actually enforces it, so it’s effectively nothing, but still…
It’s 25’ in Virginia and that’s for hospitals and schools, maybe there’s a distance a business could enforce but honestly probably literally outside the doorframe is all they can do most places.
I would love to see someone get fined for that. I wonder if anyone ever has.
As far from me as you would like to be when I drop a huge smelly fart.
In the trash where you belong
Exhibit number #62049 of lemmings having the most insane fucking takes to ever grace the information superdumpster
Every smoker I’ve met gets very defensive about “why can’t I breathe my toxic fumes on everyone else?? What’s the big deal?? And then they get so mad when I litter like get over yourself”
Smoking in public is indefensible. There are smoking cessation programs.
Agreed. Vaping on the other hand is fine and with how many people vape now thankfully not something anyone has any remaining institutional power to enforce a ban on, so glad I can puff on the train in peace now
I don’t think the fumes from vaping are especially safe or welcome, either. At least there’s no littering, though
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It’s called public space for a reason. Your logic is completely inverted. I get a right to the air as much as you, don’t like it --> fuck off somewhere else, better yet don’t leave the house
I think you’re confused - seems like you think that a public place is your private space. Public space is a place where people need to consider OTHER people. You just proved OPs point.
You probably watch YouTube with the sound on and no headphones in public, too.
God I hate those people.
What the fuck is your logic? “I get a right to air, so I will pollute it for you.”
Probably because they’re addicted, enjoy the high, and don’t have the means or strength of character to quit.
Or they have undiagnosed ADHD and haven’t associated the effect of nicotine with their seminormality mask they can only maintain with legal stimulants.
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I once insinuated that I hated the smell of vapes and people downvoted me, saying “noooo but blueberry muffin flavour actually smells so goooood”
Yeah okay buddy, I think you’re one of the ones I’d find wandering the streets vaping in front of everyone
Edit: to the people currently downvoting me, you guys do know vaping can also give you cancer and increases your risk of respiratory disease, right? And by vaping in front of other people you’re forcing that risk on to them, right? Grow a little empathy
This is true, but it’s so much better than walking through cig smoke, or smelling that shit in someone’s car, or the nightmare of walking into someone’s house that has tar all over the walls and furniture because they smoke in the house.
I’ll take mass replacement of cigs with vape any day.
It’s better poison, but it’s still poison -A former vaper…vapist?
I would go with vaper. That other one sounds too much like that guy Brock Turner…
i really don’t care what you put in your body of your own volition, whether legal or not. go for it, i’m not in a place to look down on you. but just don’t make me breathe in your vape cloud. I smoke and I will only smoke in private or amongst people who smoke with me, or who have given me an explicit thumbs up to smoke near them. to do otherwise would be douchy.
I was with you until you tried to lecture people on what’s bad for them or not. Yes people know. Lots of things are bad for you, they are adults.
Did you know science has proven that being on social media is bad for you?
There is no direct evidence vaping causes cancer.
The main components of vape juice are polyene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Both of which are completely benign and added into many every day products. And before vaping nicotine was a thing, it has been used as a safe drug delivery method for decades.
To say there’s no direct evidence is disingenuous. Yes, there are no peer reviewed articles that directly correlate vaping and cancer chance, but guess what there also isn’t? Studies that say they’re safe
The reason for this is simple: there’s about a 14 year delay between any smoking changes and lung cancer presenting itself. Extrapolate that to three trials, and you’re looking at minimum 50 years before it can hit shelves
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
What is known about vapes is that they contain many of the same carcinogens found in cigarettes, which should be a red flag to most people
Not true at all. Vapes don’t contain any known carcinogens.
According to cancer.org.au
For example, propylene glycol and glycerine found in e-cigarettes when overheated can produce dangerous levels of the carcinogens formaldehyde and acetaldehyde.
And it was found the study ran the batteries in an unsafe manner, as in no one would use their vape like that because they had to go around the safeties.
This is a blanket statement that doesn’t really mean anything
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It is highly unlikely one study would do this (purposefully put their patients in danger)
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It is even more unlikely that this study would continue without being retracted
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It is unfathomably unlikely that all other studies on the matter would do the same thing and agree on the results
I guess the biggest problem here is that I never mentioned a specific study, and neither did you.
If you want a good report on the matter, check out: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine; Health and Medicine Division; Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice; Committee on the Review of the Health Effects of Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems; Eaton DL, Kwan LY, Stratton K, editors. Public Health Consequences of E-Cigarettes. Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2018 Jan 23. 5, Toxicology of E-Cigarette Constituents. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507184/
An interesting exert from it is the following:
Compounds not listed on labels also have been identified in e-liquids. Several hazardous compounds have been found in liquids and in the heated aerosol produced by e-cigarettes, including formaldehyde, acetaldehyde, and acrolein, which are known carcinogenic toxicants.
Edit: ah yes, the classic “I can’t think of any way to rebuke what they said so I’m just going to downvote them because I can’t add anything meaningful to the discussion, but I’m still convinced I’m right”
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There are people that are addicted to a drug the government will not regulate because they are taxing the shit out of the addicted. Grow a little empathy.
Especially for the vapers because they allready diminish the harm to them and others. The exoust fumes of the car beside you are many more times dangerous than the passive vape you could inhale.
I’m specifically calling out people who downvoted me for saying I don’t like the smell of vapes
I’m honestly with you, I think cigarette and vape sales should be criminalised, smokers are being taken advantage of both by the government and the smoko sellers
I feel like Lemmy is starting to have a real problem with houlier-than-thou posting.
Life is fucking shit, if people want to cope through that with a little recreational drug use, let them enjoy that small pleasure. If you don’t want to vape, more power to you, just don’t act like it makes you better than them.
It’s just a joke based on a stereotype. It’s not that deep.
My bad, I was talking about comments in the thread, nit the meme itself.
Because they have from the car to the door to do it then who knows how long.
Almost like it’s an addiction
No shit.
Because the vape makes me go from my hyper impusilve impatient regular self who I was long before vaping (and why I started using nicotine or seeked it out in the first place) and patient temporarily, I get like an hour at least out of that hit before entering a building, usually do it because I forgot to vape before leaving or while walking.
The issue isn’t that I need to hit it right then and there, the issue always comes later when the restless legs kick in. Btw maybe not great to know for those with restless legs, ive had it forever growing up, nicotine/thc combo makes it go away temporarily and you can stop being distracted by your body and actually do stuff with full focus.
No shade from me. I get it.
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I’m glad I quit smoking and never did vapes.
I’m literally on a holiday now I can pay because I quit smoking. it’s still attractive to me, but it’s not really worth it in terms of cost/pleasure gained.
And I’ll fuckin do it again.
If they banned drinking coffee indoors, you’d see people greedily and overzealously tapping the bottom of the cup for the last drop of precious magic fluid to touch their quivering tongue before entering a building.
Incidentally I’ll take the smell of a fruit vape cloud over coffee sphincter breath all day long.
Well one smell is one you don’t like, the other actually damages your (and everyone around you) health.
Everyone is acting like they’re blowing it directly in your face… Walk down a city street and you just inhaled a ton of shit, but no one says anything lol. Hell, opening a window in an office in some towns with their are quality would be more damaging. But the vape, that’s the problem.
Also the point stands, tons of people are addicted to coffee and act generally the same. I don’t know why people just love acting each other over everything.
Also the point stands, tons of people are addicted to coffee and act generally the same.
The comment that you replied to explained why it’s not the same.
And I disagree with that comment.
I bet it’s not more and even neutral compared to the shit you breathe in when city commuting lol
It’s water vapor dudes, just do it inside.
PG/VG are
oils not waterhuh til they’re actually just viscous liquids called diols that contain two alcohol groups! still not water thoughThey’re not oils or they’d all have died after a few puffs.
You think that cloud of smoke coming out of people’s mouth is oil?
I don’t care about vapes, but not everyone wants secondhand smoke
Shit lingers for a while too
There’s a reason why we did away with the tobacco designated areas in buildings, the same applies to vapes
It’s literally not smoke, that’s what I’m saying. It’s fucking water vapor. There’s no harm, and it’s literally undetectable aside from a brief smell of whatever it’s flavored with.
Equating vapes with tobacco is so stupid. There is zero (0) tobacco in a vape.
Are you in middle school?
The other stuff in vape clouds is such an infinitesimally small amount, it’s really not worth considering. On the order of like <400 migrograms per gram of vape cloud, with the average vape cloud mass being <100mg
Study that I was able to access through my university
The scientific failings of nearly all research into e-cigs is a big pet peeve of mine. So, so many studies with abstracts and titles shouting VAPES WILL LITERALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU LOOK AT THEM and then when you dig into the results it’s less harmful than ambient air in a Walmart.
Only up to 100 mg? Such a tiny amount of substance could never have an impact on a human body! That’s why when I take a 50 mg edible absolutely nothing happens.
You are delusional, and completely misinterpreting that study and Wikipedia. Like, reading your other comment you did a “lot of work” on - I’m kind of amazed - it reminds me of the kind of stuff that I’d see to back up Ivermectin being a miracle cure.
Since you seem very concerned with dosage:
Secondhand smoke is also harmful:
You have an addiction and are doing something that is harmful to your body. There is not an evil conspiracy by the government and research scientists to convince you that nicotine is bad for you, nicotine is bad for you.
You are right but you still will be stoned for saying the truth. Those ppl probably breathe in much more harmful shit daily without second thoughts
This comment section makes me want to start to vape again
Dude I’m talking about smoke from vapes as in vape cloud, mist, whatever you wanna call it. It’s still secondhand, and it still lingers in the air long enough for other people to breathe it in. I can tell when someone took a hit even if I didn’t see them puff it because it doesn’t just straight up disappear immediately and like 99% is like cotton candy or some other sweet flavor that is super distinctive in smell. If you ever lived in cali you’d know exactly what I’m talking about. Obviously it doesn’t stay for years or anything, hell it usually clears up after like a couple of minutes at worst, but to say it’s undetectable is just false.
I’m obviously not talking about the same smoke as tobacco, that shit is like tar and reeks for years. I’m also not saying there’s tobacco in vapes, I just said the reason why we don’t allow smoking inside is because of tobacco, and for good reason.
And my point is that vaping isn’t smoking and shouldn’t be subject to the same ban. Vaping doesn’t leave residue or discolor walls or any of the other nasty shit that tobacco does. The vape cloud doesn’t linger like smoke. And secondhand vaping isn’t even a thing, it’s like secondhand breathing. It’s just flavored water vapor, there’s no other chemicals or stuff in the cloud.
Edit: no other chemicals at harmful levels, technically there’s an almost imperceptibly small amount of stuff in there but it’s roughly equivalent to ambient air in a city
Yes but there IS nicotine in most vapes, which is the harmful part
That crazy myth needs to die. Nicotine is approximately as harmful as caffeine. Highly addictive but not particularly harmful itself. Tobacco and all the chemicals they put in cigarettes are the stuff that gives you cancer.
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In normal cells, nicotine can stimulate properties consistent with cell transformation and the early stages of cancer formation, such as increased cell proliferation, decreased cellular dependence on the extracellular matrix for survival, and decreased contact inhibition. Thus, the induced activation of nAChRs in lung and other tissues by nicotine can promote carcinogenesis by causing DNA mutations. Through its tumor promoter effects, it acts synergistically with other carcinogens from automobile exhausts or wood burning and potentially shorten the induction period of cancers.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
be me, sneaking outside at work to vape while my coworker brings a literal gallon of coffee everyday.
nicotine certainly has been demonized in the last few decades.
