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What a disappointing series that was.
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
So true!
And I’ll also grant that the emperor’s guard fight and the force projection fight both count to redeem the sequels, a bit.
No. The emperor’s guard fight was absolute garbage.
Wait you turn to attack the protagonist. A nice orderly line for one attack and one counter.
Then there was the guy who straight up dropped his weapon before his turn, but pretended he didn’t.
What did Last Jedi actually do?
I always feel like I saw a different movie than everyone else, both the people that liked it and the people that disliked it. What I saw was the plotlines of both ESB and ROTJ thrown into a blender, with the entire point of those plotlines removed. There was absolutely nothing in that movie that was original. It was the most misogynistic movie in all of Star Wars, Rey doesn’t actually do anything, so I don’t know why the incels hate it. I felt like Disney gave in to those idiots and relegated Rey to a support role in that movie.
Sure they probably tried to cram in too much action adventure into RoS to compensate for the fact that TLJ had no meaningful action in it. Or do you think they backpedalled by making Rey the main character again? That was obviously the intent at the end of TFA, so it was TLJ that screwed that up by making women at best an afterthought and at worst an obstacle for the men to overcome. Most misogynistic portrayal of women in Star Wars, they had to do a big marketing campaign to convince everyone the women in the movie were strong before it was released. I guess it worked.
I hated TLJ. I grew up on the OG and saw the awful prequels in theatres despite knowing they were bad.
Too much bad writing. Too many plot holes. Too many monumental changes to how the universe works.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
I hear that The Clone Wars animated series is good too.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
I’ve just started working my way through the series and it’s awesome. It’s great seeing those little hints to Anakin’s later fall, but more than anything I love how much it humanizes the clones.
The series does grapple with how fucked up the clone army is - these are people. They didn’t get a choice to fight, they were grown and trained and never given any other options. Seeing things like a deserter clone is cool, seeing clones actively make the choice to keep fighting and explain why they think it is worthwhile… the clones are the best part of the series.
This, I’m willing to bet that the sequels will be just as beloved as the prequels suddenly were.
This implies that the bar has nowhere to go but down, except that we know good Star Wars is capable of being produced. Andor is fucking phenomenal, hands down the best thing to have ever been spit out by Disney since they acquired the IP. It’s not a sure bet that time will erase the stains that the sequel trilogy have created on the Star Wars brand. The prequel trilogy may not be perfect, but it felt more like Star Wars than the sequel trilogy ever did.
I’m just amazed people think Disney’s bad considered Lucas’ plan for the series was just remaking the prequels in 3D and doing Star Wars Detours
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I really liked the movies JJ Abrams made and enjoyed Solo well enough.
To me the biggest problem is when they take themselves too seriously. Rogue One was trying to be Saving Private Ryan. Last Jedi was trying to be Citizen Kane. They seem like half-assed versions of better movies with the toys I played with as a kid in the mix so that prevents me from taking them seriously.
JJ Abrams made some fun movies that had some interesting things going on in the subtext. Which are the only ones besides the OT that did that.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Palatine coming back makes sense with some of the themes from 3, but it really undermines everything about the original trilogy. Essentially, thr sequels take away anything and everything Luke ever did.
I think it’s funny when people compare the sequels to the EU, when they share a lot of ideas.
I actually have to blink at the number of times people swear to me, without sarcasm or irony, that the EU would “NEVER BRING BACK PALPATINE!”
But like, it did though?
Palpatine being back is probably one of the least egregious and on the nose things for the story. Rey being a Palpatine? Several fakouts for losing characters (chewy and c3p0), and the whole of 9 being sidequests up to the flashy ending, those are choices that seem wack.
This, I don’t even know what the fuck is up with the magic dagger that tells you where a holocron is on a crashed space station that did not exist when the dagger was forged.
But there’s shit just as dumb in the prequels, such as Palpatine hiring Dooku who then hires Jango who using his assassin money hires an assassin who hires a droid who hires two bugs, ending in a chase where Jango runs into the old villain trap of “Kill the unwilling informant being coercised into talking and not the guy who actually wants to stop you?” that’s been around since Dick Tracey was writing parking tickets.
Rogue One was just boring. That was my only issue with it.
I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
Overall, definitely, but there are many things that came from it that I can’t deny loving and which have fully joined my idea of what Star Wars is. Several specific scenes, many characters like BB8, Fin, Kylo etc. (all which have major problems, but I still like them in their own way) and other random things. I was never a SW megafan, but I like the original movies enough to care, and I won’t deny enjoying many parts of the sequel-sequel series. But if I were given the choice of deciding if they’d have never had existed I’d have chosen that.
Also bringing you hits like: “Somehow, Palpatine returned…” and “Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?”
Don’t forget, “if you don’t play Fortnite, you’re going to miss important exposition”.
I’m going to need some help with this one…
Long story short, before rise of Skywalker there was a Fortnite event that featured emperor Palpatine sending a message to the universe that he was back. It never happened in the movies. Rise of Skywalker’s opening scrolling text talks about this message from Palpatine. It was all just a crummy afterthought.
This means episode 9 really is “made X from fortnite real”. It’s a 2 hour addition to a fortnite event. It makes so much sense now! crazed laughter
I would have been more forgiving if it were just a part of the Fortnite event.
Shit gets cut from movies all the time. No reason to be upset.
Nobody’s upset here buddy.
I’m not your buddy, friend.
I’m not your friend, pal!
Me too.
Wait, did Palpatine canonically escape the Fortnite dimension?
Like… that’s the ‘somehow he returned?’
Fortnite is in Star Wars. They just haven’t been to that planet yet in the show.
Can’t wait to see Rey discover the remains of an ancient battlebus.
They explain it in the movie, he force jumped between bodies.
But yeah the contents of the message they steal in the begining isn’t played anywhere except in Fortnite
Lol I forgot about that
I always wonder if it would have been awesome if the last Jedi ended with this instead of it popping up in Fortnite. Maybe it wouldn’t have felt like a stupid afterthought. Though clearly that’s what it was.
The entire “love story” between Anakin and Padme is barf worthy
“Somehow, Palpatine returned…” is a line that makes sense in context… He doesn’t know how Sidious came back.
Though keeping the contents of the message locked to a temporary Fortnite event was stupid.
The message was irrelevant, really. The only thing that mattered is Palpatine (ie. fascism) returned and they needed to fight against it.
“They fly now?”
They fucking always have. I hated this specific line so much, completely separate from other reasons to dislike 9.
Force healing and Disney kiss of resurrection
People’s reaction to “Somehow, Palpatine returned” is very telling.
Poe isn’t some internet wanker that’s going to endlessly debate over the causes of evil returning. Poe doesn’t need to know the reason evil returned, he just knows he has to oppose it. The exact method of evil returning is irrelevant to him. Why?
Because Poe Dameron is a fucking hero. Opposing evil is what he does. Debating irrelevant bullshit is for wankers.
Internet wankers get triggered by Poe not caring about how evil returned. Do you identify with internet wankers or do you identify with a guy that opposes evil without giving a shit about all of the wankery?
The Last Jedi was super cool though. It was truly the last Jedi i ever saw, well the last Star Wars content basically.
It was half of a good movie, which is more than can be said of the other two sequels.
Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film. They get close with the first two but the third is inexcusable. I counted: there are less than 5 shots that last for more than 15 seconds before a hard cut, even if it’s still in the same scene (I counted but also barely cared; I was just trying stay awake)
Christ, yeah. For such a big budget blockbuster, so much of it felt cheap and slapdash. It’s like someone was exposed to the Vince Gilligan discography and told “Do exactly the opposite of this”.
The cinematography was such a critical part of the OS and even the Prequels. Big splashy set pieces where everything had this history and character that felt like - if the camera was focused a in a slightly different direction - you could have filmed a completely separate movie off the extras alone. It’s so much of what made guys like Lucas and Spielberg a cut above. I can’t even blame Lucas for falling up his own asshole. He just needed someone to slap the coke out of his nose and reset to the original vision. A shame Carrie Fisher wasn’t allowed to script-doctor the other films (and jump in for a few cameos). After she stepped behind the camera, she was the hidden hand behind so many good movies (the OG Austin Powers was a big one).
Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film.
We felt that way about the prequels, too.
I’m looking forward to the eventual inevitable reboot, since it will be able to get through the same cool big ideas, without the meandering that the whole series suffers from.
It was alright. A nice onramp back into the series, but mostly just a nostalgic beat for beat recreation of A New Hope for the 2010s. I remember the hype was real, but without a solid plan for the sequel trilogy neither movie in it is really worth ever revisiting. But there’s still some good Star Wars content. Rogue One and The Mandalorian are well worth watching. I haven’t seen Andor or Skeleton Crew, but people seem to like them.
I think you’ve mistaken the last jedi for the force awakens
Oh yeah you are correct 🤦
It was a Star Wars movie for wet blankets. No fun allowed in this action adventure movie!
I had way more fun watching the last jedi over the other two, by a long mile.
Tbf when you live in absolute 5th world poverty the clothes can vary minimally.
I hate it when child versions of a character have the exact same hairstyle.
Awful series of movies, watched them once and that was enough for me
Agreed and same. Only way people got me to watch it again was commentary folks ripping on it for being so bad.
How do you go into making a multi billion dollar franchise extending trilogy and have absolutely no plan for how your trilogy should play out?
Use the Force, Lucas.
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Or they show that short hair isn’t unusual for action-oriented characters, and simple beige clothes are super common in Star Wars.
