During a Tuesday hearing at the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, the DOJ urged a three-judge panel to issue an emergency stay of a lower court order and allow the Trump administration’s deployment of the California National Guard to continue in Los Angeles — going so far as to argue a president’s federalization of militia can’t be second-guessed by the courts, even if the chief executive mobilized forces from all 50 states and Washington, D.C., simultaneously.

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    The DOJ attorney emphasized that “sustained mob violence” in response to ICE raids is “no ordinary civil unrest,” claimed that it is ongoing, and asserted that such violence is “expressly aimed at preventing federal officers from enforcing federal law,” supporting Trump’s federalization of the Golden State’s National Guard.

    That’s just a lie, isn’t it?

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      Even if it were true, that does not amount to rebellion. Nobody is trying to overthrow the federal government.

      Yet.

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      That’s standard Republican strategy. A lot of the cases that ended up in front of the Supreme Court are straight up manufactured. In the case of the lady who refused to create a website for a gay wedding, they contacted the guy who supposedly made the request and he’d never heard of it before. Republican operatives basically looked up a gay guy in San Francisco and used his details in the website’s contact form.

      Despite all that, the courts happily took the case and ruled on a complete fiction. Same thing happened in the case of the coach that forced his football team to pray.

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      Well, it’s mostly true. I mean this isn’t normal civil unrest. This is the people being fed up with a government trying to use fear as a weapon against it’s own people. And the mob violence isn’t generally preventing federal officers from doing what they want, it is in response to it. There is some mob shouting preventing some federal officers ftom doing what they want.

      But issue at hand is that the law is very vague about the quantity needed to trigger the allowance of using the national guard. By just reading it, ICE could send a single agent to arrest 5 people in a facility that has 500. If the people stop the arrests, then it meets the written requirements. It ludicrous though to interpret it that way of course. But since it was written so poorly, we are at the mercy of the courts.

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      It doesn’t.

      When you’ve got control of the armed services of the government. And you tell the opposition “we’ve got the guns. Fuck are you going to do about it”. Law becomes paper. And the only thing left is the law of the jungle. In other words. War

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    So much to unpack there…

    So the bestest president evah now caused a rebellion? Did that ever happen before to any president? Oh yeah, under trump 1 there was January the 6th, instigated and orchestrated by king Cheeto

    And now there is another rebellion?

    I mean, it’s demonstrations but seeing that distinction is hard for smooth brain idiots

    Then telling judges that they can’t say no because else they can’t stop a rebellion? I mean, you STARTED it, if you want to stop it’s really easy: STOP BREAKING THE LAW!

    And stop telling judges they can’t do their job

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      The keyword is rebellion…

      But it is not really about current protests … it is to have all lights on green when there actually IS a rebellion cooking so the response can be swift and far beyond proportions.

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    That’s fascism, folks.

    Arm yourselves.

    Also, maybe don’t do something dumb like vote 3rd party or abstain from voting next time around. Y’all were warned. Now it’s happening.

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      What about all the votes that were lost, removed, not counted? The way the elections, gerrymandering and more, Its all rigged.

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        Maybe you shouldn’t arm yourself. You’re not very smart.

        And yeah, I’m going to scold the dumbfucks that chose to place their perceived moral superiority over the wellbeing of their country. Because they deserve it.

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          Oh, I’m armed and I train. I even train other people! I won’t train genocide apologists or any other flavor of fascist though.

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      Oh right, blame the voters in a rigged election. Makes total sense.

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        Yup. Until they take responsibility for the impact of their ego stroking and try to do anything at all to help, we’re not going to let the people just shy of collaborators forget it.

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            How do you read “take responsibility for their impact” and then jump to “solely to blame.” I swear people just hear what they want so they have a reason to be angry.

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              Are they to blame, or are they small enough to ignore?

              Which one? I get that you want both. But you only get one.

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                I’m curious as to why you think you have the kind of authority in anyone’s life to tell them they have to decide between two dipshit choices you present them.

                These dumbfucks made an incredibly stupid decision, whether they ended up being too small a group to make the difference or not. They’re still dumbfucks that chose their own perceived moral superiority over the wellbeing of their country.

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                  I’m curious as to why you think you have the kind of authority in anyone’s life to tell them they have to decide between two dipshit choices you present them.

                  Choosing both is logically inconsistent. I get that you hate progress and anyone who opposes genocide and want to ignore them so you can move to the right and have your genocide. That’s disgusting, but fine, if you want to choose that, it’s all centrists do. But if you do it on the grounds that the people you hate for not being republican-adjacent enough for your liking aren’t a big enough group to matter, you don’t get to act like they matter after the fact just so you don’t have to stop moving to the right.

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                I never said either. I called out your contradiction and you got really defensive and made assumptions for some reason…

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                  That’s the assumption whenever someone contradicts centrist orthodoxy.

                  It’s wrong, but centrists never let that stop them.

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              That was always a lie. But they are among the least reliable voters.

              I mean, you can’t ignore people or treat them with undisguised contempt if you want them to be reliable voters.

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                I think that that is looking at the problem from the wrong angle (even if it is extremely common). We need to not give a fuck what they think of us as we subvert their party and force it into something that’s actually at all Left of center. That’s impossible with people sitting out elections (especially primaries) and offering zero meaningful resistance to or action against the fascist Right.

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                  That’s impossible with people sitting out elections (especially primaries)

                  democrats successfully argued in court that they don’t need to run honest primaries. They didn’t even have them last year.

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          Ironic since the Democratic party not supporting ranked choice voting is its own ego play. They just can’t stomach the idea of there being more than two parties. Same on the right. Unfortunately this centrism has resulted in the status quo.

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            Ironic since the Democratic party not supporting ranked choice voting is its own ego play.

            No. It’s a control play to try to maintain power (including wealth inequality). Egotists are involved but they’re different things.

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                It’s something that egotistical people might do but, they might also lie about the importance of their job or pay people to follow them around in an entourage. Not all egotists are as power hungry as politicians frequently are some want to be loved and adored.

                The motivation matters and, while those that lust for power generally are egotistical, egotism itself isn’t usual the reason.

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    yea, that’s how fascism works. “judges” are there to protect the state from the people, not the other way around

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      My state says I have to pay a tax, do live fire training, get 2 background checks and wait several weeks before I can arm myself.

      Guess we will just die.

      Oh and I can’t carry it virtually anywhere. Maybe to the range if its unloaded and locked and ammunition stored somewhere separately.

      Did I also mention I am limited to 10 or less rounds?

      I was going to add something else but there is a kiaboy with an autoswitch glock and extended mag tapping on my window while I type this.

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      Either “We agree, he can do that” or “No, he can’t do that.” In either case, he will do that and nobody will stop him.

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    That’s some incredibly intense kneeling they’re doing right there. Who knew the DOJ was so good at kissing the floor?

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    quashing protests, will eventually leader to larger protests and then uprising, and maybe a rebellion eventually.