Social Democracy is not the same as Socialism. But, I wasn’t following the race, maybe he does want the public to own the means of production.
I get the hesitation since in US politics they often get conflated and I can’t say I’ve followed him very closely but someone else shared this. I know he’s also advocating for city owned grocery stores.
Quite a lot of red states have state owned liquor stores,[0] so city owned grocery stores doesn’t sound that radical. Apparently, Atlanta is doing it.[1] I hadn’t heard of this idea before, but web search shows it is a thing. I’d consider it socialism if he also wants to close down the privately run grocery stores. He doesn’t seem to be doing that
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage_control_state
Apparently, Atlanta is doing it.[1]
I’m an Atlantan and this is the first I’m hearing of it. Neat!
Reading the article, though, it’s really just that the city is subsidizing a private business (and in one of the two cases, acting as its landlord) in order to create an incentive to open in a food desert, not actually getting into the business of operating a grocery store directly itself.
I mean, I got a loan from Invest Atlanta to help with the down payment on my house, but that doesn’t mean the city owns my house or that it’s some kind of ‘government housing.’
I see. Question then is whether the store operator gets to set the prices. Donald Trump of course lives in government housing right now, so that’s ok too.
I mean, I got a loan from Invest Atlanta to help with the down payment on my house, but that doesn’t mean the city owns my house or that it’s some kind of ‘government housing.’
That really depends on who you ask these days doesn’t it.
Well, they sent me a letter a few years back saying the loan had been forgiven since I’d owner-occupied the home for a decade, so now the only other entity that might claim to own it is the creditor for my regular first mortgage. And the state (in the sense that my title is ‘fee simple’ and not ‘allodial’ so I’m still subject to things like taxes and eminent domain), I guess.
That’s a fair criticism. Usually with public-private partnerships there’s requirements they have to meet though. I’m curious what those are planned to look like. It could be something as lax as “continue operating at this location” or it could be “prices cannot exceed this value, and employees must have these things, etc.”
It could be a good start to actual state operated grocery stores, but starting from scratch and setting up the logistics is an insane barrier, and it’s also part of the issue. It’s too hard to compete with existing companies, so they can do whatever they want and no one else can reasonably enter the market to compete with them.
The government running public alternatives isn’t socialism. Socialism is specifically about control of the means of production. The only people who think socialism is when the government does stuff are Bernie bros who think Sweden is socialist and MAGA who also think Sweden is socialist. Basically, if someone think that Sweden is socialist then they have no idea what they’re talking about.
so he is a socialist?
Also Democratic Socialism (Mamdani’s beliefs) are not the same as Social Democracy. They are slightly different.
That kind of depends. Bernie claims to be a Democratic Socialist, but Europeans have said that his stated beliefs align more with Social Democracy. This may be another case of us Americans having a different definition than the rest of the world (like with liberal).
Real “Judean people’s front” vibes with that one
It’s just a primary guys. Let’s hope he wins the seat.
If Cuomo runs 3rd party and the Dem establishment supports him, I’m going to fling that back at anyone who tells me to not vote 3rd party in a presidential election, lol.
I’m going to flip out if the dems support Cuomo and I’m honestly half expecting them to
I’m fully expecting them to. The Dem leadership supporting an ACTUAL leftist is only SLIGHTLY more likely than them going full fascist and endorsing Curtis Sliwa…
half expecting
Sweet summer child.
“Vote blue no matter who”
Mamdani wins historic primary victory
“…shit”
If Cuomo runs 3rd party
He’s running as an independent, yes.
and the Dem establishment supports him
Unless they suddenly fall back in love with Adams or go full Sliwa, they will. They fight the left exactly as much as they accommodate the far right.
Last I heard, which I think was just hours old, is he’s still considering running as an independent. He hasn’t decided yet. I guess he’s waiting to see how much corporations will pay him?
It would take a catastrophe for him not to.
His opponents in the general are as follows:
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The corrupt former governor sex pest he just beat, running as an independent in order to get a do-over
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Current mayor in spite of being a hair’s breath from prison until he went full MAGA, always being a fascist cop (but I repeat myself) and genuinely unhinged, Eric Adams
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Perennial loser and hyper-racist vigilante lunatic Curtis Sliwa.
Not only are they all awful candidates in themselves, their core demographics also overlap to such a degree that it’ll be an upset if more than one of them reaches double digits!
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That’s what’s fun about the whole establishment coming out swinging against him - he just won the primary. He’s not even elected yet, and they are losing their shit.
(also, didn’t notice until after posting that you’d posted 2 days ago - sorry for the necro post!)
Two days old post is still relevant on Lemmy. It’s when someone responds to a 3+ month comment that I’m like, “how did you find me?!”
I think Cuomo is going to stay in the race, it will be interesting to see who wealthy establishment Dems support.
“Socialism” lol
It is a win though, it shows people are willing to vote for change
through alternative partiesand thats fucking hugeHe’s a Democrat, not 3rd party.
Shit I will amend that. Forgot he won the democratic primary. He is still heavily associated with DSA though and this is well known.
Because he had to run in the democratic primary in order to have a shot. He’s a member of the DSA tho—I feel like it’s disingenuous to call him just “a Democrat” (same with AOC)
AOC is a Democrat too, what is the issue? There are factions within the Democrats and she’s in one of them but afaict she is nowhere near as radical as she was depicted as being. Part of that is from getting slapped around by the leadership I’m sure.
Yeah, he’s not corporate enough. Let’s kick him out. Why do we keep losing? Must be the progressives we keep insisting aren’t welcome.
Funny how the gop are calling him socialist when it’s they who have free healthcare and live off public money.
“socialism” in the sense of the french revolution, where they executed lots of people with the guillotine, must never happen again.
The problem with killing people is that it’s a lot like eating potato chips: Once you start, it’s impossible to stop.
Look at the Reign of Terror that immediately followed the French Revolution. They basically continued to kill people after all of the nobles were gone. These actions discouraged a lot of people and were one big factor that scared potential revolutionaries in other countries away from trying a revolution in their home country as well.
Take the rich’s resources, but don’t kill them.
“Tax the rich”, not “eat the rich”.
That is socialism for the 21st century.The french revolution, atleast the one you are referring to, was a bourgeois revolution and decidedly not socialist. It was the rising merchant class overthrowing the feudal class structures that held back their ability to obtain capital. It was not the proletariat overthrowing the capitalist class structures which hold us back. If you try and take property from the rich they will kill you for it. This has been endlessly proven throughout history, every workers revolution has a violent counter revolution from the bourgeois. Will you roll over and take it? Or will you defend yourself and the revolution?
Apparently, Faux News calls him “Zohran the Destroyer”. This is exactly the sort of name that I want with progressive leadership. 🤩
They gave him a badass name by accident 😂🤣!
If fElon wielding a chain saw is a OK then Zohran the Destroyer needs a weapon, for symbolism.
I nominate the axe from the movie Mandy
He destroys fascism
and oligarchy too.
Don’t mess with the Zohran!
They will rig the general. Look to the firms in control of the individual machines and the tabulation servers…
Looks like Cuomo is planning to run as an independent to split the vote.
That’s great that AIPAC had a backup plan
Considering Eric Adams already is running as an independent, Cuomo is more likely to siphon votes away from him. Although I think it will be ranked choice anyway, so “splitting” the vote won’t really matter.
The general is FPTP. Adams and Cuomo can fight for attention, they share the same demographic of assholes
That would be a nice change of pace for once.
You can split the vote in any system including ranked choice, it only means that there are some people who would choose Cuomo but if they weren’t there would vote for Adams instead.
use the same methods as the gop, which dnc never bother pursueing when it was reporting in all counties last nov 5 election.
The number of opinion pieces having meltdowns over Mamdani is simply off the charts. The fascists and neolibs are losing their minds about this. It’s incredible.
Mamdani isn’t even remotely radical as far as leftists go. What’s he’s proposing is just the bare minimum of common sense as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
They’re acting like Luigi broke out and started making the world a better place one capitalist at a time again.
allegedly
One can dream
Right? I don’t get this at all. The guy gets elected, offers a couple things via social policy change, and everyone loses their shit. Even the title of the article this is about calls it “socialism” when it’s a far cry from it.
Everyone’s talking like he’s won the mayorship already.
He hasn’t technically but don’t stop the vibes. Fuck it, Mamdani FTW bitches!!! Woot woot! LFG for round two! For the people!
He hasn’t literally but he’s now the heavy favorite
Cuomo better not pull a Lieberman and split the vote.
C’mon! Status Cuomo was right there!
Keep talking in ways that highlight progressive values, and you’ll get more of this.
He’s quite charismatic.
The status quo is garbage and has been degrading rapidly for most of my life. Here’s hoping the rest of this country gets its shit together in time.
No idea about Mamdani but does the election not mostly show that people hate Andrew Cuomo? He seemed awful.
and he was primiarly beeing pushed by republicans as a frontrunner, go figure.
He has always been offal.
FTFY
For the people!
Reality proves big tent liberalism wrong at every turn, but still people advocate for it. Can’t beat stupid, I guess.
It seems that every article from Jacobin is skewed ever so slightly, not enough to make most think there’s something wrong, but it seems to skew anti-progressive by tone and wording, while being assertive in part to some center (or right-leaning by European standards), and aggressive in language towards selective parts of the far-right while mellowing down the tone against conservatives in general.
It’s like eating candy and discovering that the sugar coating is actually aluminium.
Within the context of US politics, the center left/Democratic Party is the largest political obstacle for socialists. So antagonism towards the center left seems to be rational within that
They do tend to passively address the American Overton window in their articles. I think it’s pretty easy to navigate as an American because they do it mostly in the same style of our mainstream media.
The overall dynamics of American political language I think can be pretty jarring to both Europeans and any American trying to first learn about socialism.
aluminium
Nice touch. 🤣
Well, it’s how it’s spelled in pretty much all of the English-speaking world. Barring the USA and Canada.
Edit: my favourite ”whelp” is apparently not what I thought.
It was a compliment, citizen. 🙇🏼♂️
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You mean ammonium, jsyk
Thank you.
Gotta coat that shit in something distracting, amirite?
As long as we’re talking language…
whelp
noun
the young of a carnivore, as a dog, bear, lion, seal, etc.
a youth, especially an impudent or despised one.
The onomatopoeia is “welp”. Just because autocorrect says something doesn’t make it so.
Thank you.
