cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/41402388
Please support the initiative of Stop Killing Games!
WHAAAT LETSGOOOOO DABABY. Thank you PirateSoftware for the publicity :3
And fuck you too btw PirateSoftware :)
Wait untill people realize that Ross Scott has had a running show, ‘Freeman’s Mind’, going back to basically the fucking machinima days, where he just does a playthrough of all of Half Life and voices Gordon’s inner thoughts.
Its still on his youtube channel!
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PNZBb6b9LvDWpI-5CPYUxG1Rnm-vr9V
We are going to need another petition to get Ross an honorary title, a goddamned bust of an upraised fist in an HEV suit, clenching a crowbar, with ‘For Exceptional Valor and Dutiful Service in the Defense of Video Gaming’ emblazoned on its base.
Let the memes flow!
I remember Freeman’s Mind, but I have no idea who any of the people in those pictures are.
Ross is the dude with long hair and laser eyes.
On the right in the second pic.
Holy shit that’s him ?
He my hero nowI came for Freeman’s Mind, stayed for the Game Dungeon, got deadgamepilled in the process.
I highly recommend checking all of his stuff out.
Same! The next step is watching his monthly proof-of-life video chats while working on other stuff 😅
I kinda wish his next videochat is just him opening up a bottle of champagne, drinking it all without saying a word and that’s it =D
Oh that’s good. I like that.
Is this about the WoW incident? Or dit something else happen?
He has made videos and numerous comments directing his audience not to sign, claiming it will kill games.
Than he has really lost it. Leaving a game that people paid for in a playable state is the least a developer/publisher can do.
Whats wrong with PirateSoftware? He runs a ferret rescue which doesn’t claim any tax incentives and he teaches people about security and ethics, I’ve never heard of him having beef with anyone.
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Yeah he seems pretty positive and helpful, so did his bias mislead him on this one?
Also I wasn’t even sure he was still a huge fan of his former employer—but now that I think of it I guess he was really pleased with his time there, cuz he’s proud of his ban wave strategies and stuff
He tends to be condescending, toxic, and dishonest. I happened to watch this video the other day that covers a fair bit of stuff including the stop killing games petitions, if you’ve got 20 minutes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-RaQZPzhqU
Things like
- completely misrepresenting the stop killing games initiative.
- bitching for quite a while that “someone” pulled a mob during a
world of warcraftraid causing a wipe, going back to see who it was to remove them, seeing it was himself and then justifying why it was now the right call. - running away from his group in world of warcraft in a fight claiming he has no mana, while he’s wasting moves to drain the last of his mana and he has ways of getting around half of it back. This was during some kind of creater guild thing where if you die you lose your character. So abandoning his team to save himself and lying about it.
- banning/blocking everyone who criticizes or corrects him on these things
- DMCA’d and threatened legal action on an indie dev for a parody game that included him as a cockroach.
That video was really good, felt kinda Drew Gooden-esque in parts.
Never meet your heroes ig
OOF
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Don’t stop yet! They might still remove incorrectly filed entries.
Pedal to the metal on all fronts!
Peddle to the metal
Lol, nice pun, good one.
Honestly that was a typo on my part, I’m really tired rn lol
130k now with time left. I think we good.
What’s funny about this whole thing is it’s almost like PirateSoftwares days in EVE Online when he invited everyone to Pochven space cause he thought he was hot shit and then proceeded to get his ass handed to him and he rage quit the game. He brought attention to something that ended up having the opposite effect of what he wanted.
Granted he was absolutely shit at EVE regardless of what he’s told his audience. couldn’t fit a ship to save his life, ran for CSM and no one voted for him, then rage quit when everyone and even his own corp proceeded to kick his teeth in.
Wow, I hadn’t even heard of that particular story of Thor being an egotistical asshat.
I’d been looking into the WoW debacle, then stumbled into other stuff, but nope, that one’s new to me.
I was in his corp (my old one merged with his, I had no idea who he was for quite a while), and this… isn’t exactly accurate. First, from what I remember, he left on okay terms with the corp.
There was a laundry list of issues with Pochven, a lot of them due to CCP just not bothering to fix issues that the players reported, and moving devs who did want to try and fix some of the issues to different areas of the game. It got to the point where it wasn’t economically viable to live in the area, which reduced how many ships we could field, and the number of people even willing to join.
CCP also took forever to decide on how wormholes interacted with the region, and changed those interactions frequently. Some of these were great, for instance there was a point where most of the wormholes linked to wormhole systems, and it was a complicated (and dangerous) dance to get people in and out of the region undetected. CCP ended up going with the worst possible interaction: many wormholes directly linked to nullsec space, where massive alliances could easily find them and send massive fleets through with little effort.
He wasn’t the only one to quit, to be honest I’m surprised he stayed for as long as he did given how he acts now.
Is Thor an egotistical narcissist? Absolutely. Was this a case of that? Not really
By the way, this is a statement he put out alongside the other two main groups in Pochven. I can tell you for a fact that 90+% of the players who spent most of their time in Pochven felt this move was absolutely justified*:
Edit* And the other ~10% disagreed with the destruction of the citadels, not the sentiment of the statement
Well hey, I very much appreciate more info from someone who was actually there!
The worst part is that this are far from the only two events. He has been kicked from several other guilds, for exactly the same narcissistic and egoistic behavior. If everywhere you go it smells like shit, at some point you have to start checking your own shoes. He is just always adamant that it’s other people’s fault that it smells like shit, when he has full diaper.
Yep.
There’s the whole… apparently when Thor was essentially high school to post high school age, he managed to cajole a younger SecondLife user, who was actually decently talented at creating like clothes and custom player models…
So in SecondLife, you can actually make real money that way, you can cash out the SecondLife currency for actual realworld money.
Yeah SecondLife was actually quite a pioneer in a lot of ways, from a technical and just ‘what even is a video game’ standpoint, lets say uh ‘eccentric’ community and reputation aside.
And Thor basically convinced this other SL user, who was like 5 years younger than him… that he could make them both more money as a sort of salesman, promoter, of this other persons user made content… if they profit share.
I may have some details wrong here, but basically… Thor did basically nothing in terms of promotion, yet he made a significant chunk of change off of this other person.
Because … SL just has basically a universal market you can list things in.
Like uh, Escape from Tarkov, or FF14’s auction house or what not, fully built into the game… but even more so as it actually allows you to cash out to real world money.
its not like you’d have to do some kind of technical wizardry to enable sales, its not like Thor whipped up some kind of gray/black market system / payment processor way back when PayPal was still a fairly new idea.
Alongside that, there were allegations of basically ERP going waaay too far.
Now, this other person has I think entirely denied any kind of ERP abuse, sexual or just normal relationship abuse, says everything was fine…
But a good number of people seem to think that the essentially digital labor theft Thor did, basically amounts to its own kind of grooming, exploitation.
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… As best I can tell…
He actually, legally changed his first name to Thor.
And he has gone by Thor for… at least 5 years?.. in his Twitch streaming career.
I fully agree this is an insult to the old Gods, but … Thor is apparently literally his actual name.
His older username / online handle was ‘Maldavius Figtree’ or something like that, can’t say I am aware of his actual birth name.
Haha, holy shit. Somehow I had never connected that Piratesoftware was Maldavius. Yeah, that explains so, so very much of this entire SKG debacle.
I dont get it, what’s this got to do with the petition?
He was against it, which resulted in a lot of negative opinions about the bill and netting less votes because of it. It’s gone full Streisand effect.
PirateSoftware was critical of the initiative when it first started. Some people attribute its initial lack of success to his opposition.
He was later involved in some drama and his reputation fell, and the petition’s creator finally addressed his claims. Now the petition is having a second wind in its final hour
He wasn’t just critical of it, he spread misinformation about it. It was wild to watch someone be so completely and utterly wrong, then double and triple and quadruple down on it.
The Streisand Effect
Is there a clip of this somewhere?
SIGN THE PETITION DAMMIT
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no worries, you can help as this will benefit you too. if you are on any online gaming comunities with Europeans, you can share the link.
Both are past 100k now! I want to issue a special “fuck you” to all the idiot streamers that tried to kill SKG. And of course a special “go fuck yourself” to PirateSoftware and Asmongold for being fuckwit right wing tools for corporations. You have a special place in my heart as illiterate lapdogs to shitty corporations and right wing shills.
I know about PirateDouchebag, but I am not aware of Asmongold’s issue.
I apologize but, let’s say that I’ve living under a rock
Asmongold is a megaphone for shitty opinions. Like I posted elsewhere he’ll change his opinion if he gets called out, but the damage was done when he put it on the megaphone in the first place. His take on the “never play defense” is to not have any actual opinions when confronted then just go right back to saying other right wing bullshit.
They tried to kill it? Really? Like, “we must stop this from going forward!” In that way? Why would anyone attempt to stop it?
I still think this is going to fail. But I’m not trying to stop it. I hope it succeeds.
I also find the debate bros involved to be annoying.
Yep they actively campaigned against the petition and fundamentally misrepresented it.
10 months ago PirateSoftware started a campaign against it starting here-ish: https://youtu.be/ioqSvLqB46Y
Also 10 months Asmongold did a react video that supported PirateSoftware: https://youtu.be/AhVsyhjcndw
PirateSoftware refused to acknowledge that he got several things wrong, and even refused to acknowledge it when confronted. He actively bans people with dissenting opinions in his stream so it wasn’t surprising that he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. About a week ago Charlie (aka Penguinz0) confronted him about it and he still refused respond to basic factual inaccuracies: https://youtu.be/6sJpTCitKqw
Ross did a video talking about the whole thing last week as well: https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo
There’s a lot more to it, but that’s the broad strokes. I hope PirateSoftware’s stream keeps declining until he is relegated to complete obscurity. Also, PirateSoftware can eat my entire ass.
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I don’t like Asmon but my understanding is he supports SKG. Am I wrong?
Also I saw a clip of SomeOrdinaryGamers, which indicated that he tempered his support with a dash of (wrong) both-sides-ism. But it was only a clip.
Asmongold does that. Like the dude doesn’t have any real opinions other than what gets views. If he sees the winds changing he’ll pull a 180 in order to take the heat off himself. He also has hoards of followers and youtube minions to make him seem far more centerist than he is. He’s like the personification of the alt-right playbook for dummies.
I mean watch/listen to The Alt-Right Playbook series and tell me this is not what he does on a daily basis: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ
Didn’t it already reach the threshold last year and the government (or the civil servant in charge of rejecting every petition) closed it saying that current consumer protection laws already apply?
My understanding is that they misunderstood the petition, so this new one is rephrased in an attempt to avoid another misinterpretation
Politicians seem very good at misunderstanding things when it suits them.
It was extremely clear what the previous petition was, it was just they weren’t interested in doing anything so they intentionally misunderstood.
Fingers crossed!
Is that why they left “from” out of the title?
The Islanders finished there’s, but the EU one still has a ways to go!
946,944 currently, it’s almost there!
Its going quite quickly now though! 934k signatures
Fell asleep, woke up, suddenly there’s only 30k left on the EU initiative.
Now it’s just 20k
Keep pushing. There are probably people using VPNs to sign the petition and those will get purged. Either from idiots who don’t know better or AAA studios trying to get people to stop now that it’s reached the goal. This is true for both the UK and EU petitions.
The EU page started 404ing for me right when it should have hit 1 mil; are we being trolled?
Edit: nvm worked from desktop. Maybe just hug of death.
Watched this, was very enlightening
I knew once kliksphilip makes a video about it would be one of the best ones to communicate the intent of the initiative.
99.09%🙏🙏
Heh yeah!
great stuff!!!
I can’t wait for this to effectively do nothing oe alternatively kill games that have an online only capability that refuse to devote work to force a single player model/release their netcode.
This is the stupidest, well intentioned movement I’ve seen in awhile and the fervor behind it is a waste. You know what you want but refuse to understand why it can’t happen. You chase the past not realizing you can never go back.
This is most republican shit I’ve ever seen. “Make games great again!” Jesus.
No need to be so salty. Maybe instead just read what skg really is about because you obviously have misunderstood it completely.
People are sitting on PS for giving a completely correct take. I’ve read SKG and even listened to what the petition owners have said. I’ve stayed in the loop which is why it’s so frustrating to watch people with noble intentions cannibalize people for telling you it’s not only misguided but impossible.
Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code that will let any random person breathe life back into it on their own whim. Period.
Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code
Well I guess then it’s a good thing that the petition doesn’t demand that.
Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right - it’s even worse. It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.
I expected at the very least gamers would have understood the problem they’re complaining about but I got ahead of myself. The only thing SKG might accomplish legally is to allow third parties to host servers at End of Life but the counter argument to that is cheaters using their own servers.
None of this is thought out. You’re demanding a solution be created AND implemented. This will go nowhere. Pirate Software was right and it’s stunning.
Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right
:)
it’s even worse.
sigh
Why?
It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.
You’re close. Maybe read it again. Or something. I don’t know.
Maybe instead of being the condescending dickhead you and yours project onto Pirate Software, you could instead point out specifics since you’re advocating for it. I’m confident you can’t though since I’m sure you haven’t read shit, just listened to people slobber all over it.
Maybe we wouldn’t have to be such condescending dickheads if you cared to not make up stuff.
the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
That’s the core idea. Publishers should just make sure that after they milked their product it can somehow be run without their interference.
That doesn’t require sources. In fact, this doesn’t even state any method that is preferred. Could they release sources? Sure. They could also release server binaries. They could also patch out the connection to their servers and only leave people with local multiplayer mode or something. They could do whatever. The initiative doesn’t care.
The practice of licensing a product indefinitely but then just disabling it remotely is hostile to consumers. If they really, really want to keep their business model, they should sell licenses that are limited to a certain timeframe right from the start. Selling perpetual licenses and then disabling them without leaving consumers with any means to still access what they paid for shouldn’t be legal and probably isn’t.
Also this right here:
The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
Nobody wants your ip. Just don’t break stuff you sold.
