Can I have a little sausage, as a treat?
I felt shitty, I made changes to my diet and exercise, I feel much better now.
It doesn’t take research to convince me that processed foods, especially industrial, large scale, profit-above-all-else, processed food is bad for me.
These results shouldn’t surprise anyone, and I don’t think they do. But, people will find excuses to keep doing unhealthy things they enjoy, and that is their prerogative.
Some of this food isn’t great for you, but if you only have it now and then it shouldn’t be a problem.
Moderation and a diverse diet is key.
I’m not a nutritional epidemiologist.
But I’ve started to get into learning about it in the last few months.
It’s really starting to feel like this is a giant bullshit field, and as much as they are trying to find useful results, there’s something severely wrong with how they seem to arbitrarily assign causality and correlation.
In a contrived example: “People who live near power lines have more cancer” - “No, poor people live near power lines because they’re poor, and poor people have more cancer”
What are the kind of people that eat processed hot dogs? I can promise you they are not millionaires. I can promise you it’s not people who can afford filet mignon but decide to have a steamed hot dog. It’s not people who work out and take care of their bodies. It’s not people who cook.
So when a study is done like this, what answer are you actually getting? probably finding out that the type of people who eat processed meat are more prone to these conditions for a variety of considerations that are just totally left out of the analysis.
We have collectively forgotten that correlation != causation
I actually don’t think it’s possible to forget. In the sense that pattern recognition and chain-of-event are thought structures baked into our very beings. We don’t intuit that most things are random in a greater sense, and probabilistic on a finer resolution. We’re always looking for self-satisfying, singular paths of causality and they don’t exist.
Touch red hot metal burn skin; Stab self in face make self not alive. A necessary abbreviated thought structure essential to human survival.
Extend that perspective to eat ween get beetus. Wait.
What is the field of nutritional epidemiology hoping to accomplish by obsessively searching for links (their magic word) between disease and dietary intake? It assumes, by the very nature of the question, that there is a direct causal relationship between diet & illness. There can’t be. Any sufficiently complicated system of interrelationships is going to have massive amounts of turbulence and chaos!
Basically: wanna live healthy and forever? Just become a billionaire! If you don’t want to live healthy then I guess that’s your choice to make.
Well, you’re right and I’m surprised I’ve never thought of this before.
The EMF from power lines was a real mind virus that went around when I was a teenager!
I’ve been alive too long and have seen this pattern play out again, and again, and again. Feeling a little sad right now, actually.
For another example: all my life the common sense accepted wisdom, supported by real dermatologists was that to keep the likelihood of skin cancer to a minimum there is zero known healthy level of sun exposure. Well that’s all out the f’king window in 2025 because we now know the deleterious effects of insufficient sun exposure are vastly more severe compared to an increased morbidity for types of skin cancer.
I don’t want to be mr critical, but… there’s something wrong in our whole approach to these “studies” and I don’t know what fixes it. Any experts wanna help describe what I’m getting at with the right technical language?
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Yes, poor people eat poor quality food more often but the food is bad either way.
Here’s a good tip, look at allllll of the specific foods that a doctor would tell a pregnant person to avoid. Non-pregnant people should also avoid them, and processed meats have been on that list for a long time.
that’s not true. pregnant people are told to stay away from sushi because of immunity with raw fish. you should also not eat papaya while pregnant because it can cause premature contractions. you’re making a very broad generalization that the recommendation to pregnant people is completely nutrition based, but there’s many factors when growing a life inside you.
like in early pregnancy, you eat foods high in choline. that’s not because foods low in choline are bad for you, but because during early fetal development, choline builds neural tubes
Sure there are exceptions. You haven’t made any point about whether processed meats cause poor health outcomes though. They do, and its been shown over and over again, but people don’t like someone telling them they have bad habits.
that’s not the point i was addressing in my comment though, i agree processed foods a very bad. and poorer people are more likely to eat them. there’s no debate there from me.
i was only addressing your broad generalization of looking at all food doctors recommend for pregnant people to avoid. while it does include lots of bad and unhealthy foods, these recommendations also include foods that are directly related to fetal development, hormone changes, etc
Try to follow the thrust of the conversation.
Jokes on them. I do tons of unsafe shit, and probably only one of those things is going to kill me. There will be no accountability for 99.9% of the bad behavior, including unregulated hotdog intake. Suckers.
For me, it’s about the quality of life before I die, not which shitty thing I’m willingly doing to my body that ends up “winning”.
Didn’t think it needed the /s, but maybe it always needs the /s
sorry but one hotdog a day is not a small nor moderate amount.
What I liked was their phrasing: “people who ate as little as one hot dog a day”
I’m assuming it’s just the average though, I generally ingest my 7 hotdogs for Monday morning breakfast, and then eat healthy the rest of the week.
Right lol that’s an insane amount of hot dogs
Every few trips to Costco already seems too often, but it is delicious.
There are plenty of toddlers who’d disagree with you
Ya well in the 70s and 80s this was what we as kids were given to eat.
I’m paying for that now
i can’t argue with toddlers
as little as one hot dog a day
That still seems like a lot to me.
The hot dog was supposed to be an example. A more common one is lunch meat, which some people do eat every day.
Fair point. My kid eats a lot of turkey sandwiches.
Anyone know the conversion rate of turkey slices to hotdogs?
Well if you roll up a Turkey slice its about the same size? Hard to say though, it varies by brand and region. Most of this stuff doesnt apply outside the US as much either as food standards tend to be very low in the states.
I suggest you don’t visit West Virginia…
Each year, West Virginians consume 481 hot dogs per capita, according to 24/7 Wall St. That means the average West Virginian eats more than one hot dog a day. Illinois locals love their Chicago dog, and they didn’t even come close to West Virginia’s annual hot dog consumption, hitting 317 per capita.
https://www.tastingtable.com/1887834/west-virginia-most-hot-dogs/
Coincidentally West Virginia has an obesity rate of 41%.
I feel like the west virginia statistic may be heavily biased by what a poor family might feed a child. I remember my parents using hot dogs for ‘cheap’ meat that could be doctored into meals that my picky toddler ass would eat.
West Virginia is what,the third poorest state in GDP per capita? The average there is poor, so yeah.
hello my name is Guy Who Eats 365 Hot Dogs Per Year, I’m here for chest pain
It’s also important to note that the studies included in the analysis were observational, meaning that the data can only show an association between eating habits and disease –– not prove that what people ate caused the disease
right. that’s just about any food study! it’s the trouble with the nutrition field in general
Sometimes they can control for known variables. I don’t think they did it in this case
I think that if you know a person who eats a hot dog every day, you will have many other reasons to suspect that they’re unhealthy.
The hot dog was an example, lunch meat is also processed and plenty of people eat a sandwich every day.
Isn’t pasta also ultra processed? Bread?.. Butter? CHEESE? Isn’t everything ultra processed? Even beans if they have been dried and canned?
Bread and pasta can be for sure. There are variations in how flour is made for example. Butter and cheese are unhealthy types of fats, they are unhealthy for other reasons. Moderation is important, and a varied diet.
Eh they’re mostly water and sawdust.
Are the Germans dying in droves due to this?
Everyone who has ever eaten a hot dog will die
studies show that 100% of people who drink water will also die.
I don’t have a problem. I can stop drinking water whenever I want to.
I need to stop oxygen…everyone who has it dies.
See, that’s the addiction talking. Seek help.
It’s easy to quit drinking water. I do it several times a day.
That’s why I only drink Mtn Dew
When?
Yup
Im so screwed.
Be like a Harley rider - embrace your dangerous lifestyle.
7% increase of an already small chance in exchange for 1 hotdog/day doesn’t sound that bad to me.
So I have to eat raw meat?
Mett gang assemble!
Dang, you mean to tell me that animal refuse blended into mush and saturated with salt is bad for us?!
Eh, “refuse” makes sausage sound worse than it is. In the modern world anyplace with a food inspection system will typically see sausage made from cuts of meat that are perfectly edible but don’t meet the grading standards likely to sell on the shelf , or the excess pieces of muscle left over after breaking primal cuts down into smaller pieces. No one wants to buy USDA certified Meh grade steak, or a palm sized wedge of uneven thickness. So they get sent off to make hamburger, sausage, and various canned or commercial meat products that don’t need to be pretty.
Processed meat also includes much more benign seeming foods, like sandwich meat, ground meats, and bacon. We’ve known for a while that eating meat, and more so red meat, is a risk for colon problems. Red meats are more likely to be processed and therefore cheap and salty.
The new thing the study adds is that there isn’t a lower bound. For a lot of things there’s a quantity that isn’t associated with any issues, and it’s only when you go above that limit that the risk goes up.
Truth.
Yesterday I opened a huge bung of ground beef that I got from Costco.
Fried up 1/3 of it up and when I tasted it… Damn that’s f’kking bottom round roast beef 😋
One of the other interesting things in the US is that different states can have different laws for meat standards, as long as they meet or exceed USDA minimums. They can’t, however, advertising that fact because it’s a violation of interstate trade.
So in the US, a legal hotdog ranges from a blend of the trimmings above and what can be removed from the bone with a power washer, up to “hot dogs must be made only of the product of primal cuts with no trimmings or waste meat”.I’m going to design and print a shirt that simply says
“Legal hotdog”
Refuse? Why do you think processed meat is animal refuse?
