Remember kids: Vote blue no matter who only applies to progressives.
Want to run a campaign against the duly nominated candidate?
Only if you’re a neoliberal sex pest. Otherwise you want republicans to win.
For a second I had this confused with the Toronto mayoral election, where the former sex pest mayor is rumored to be considering re-running against the person who supplanted him last election
It also reminds me of the incumbent NDP ridings we lost to the cons because liberal voters don’t do strategic voting, yet they expect progressives to.
Vote progressive, the platform is impressive. The people aren’t oppressive and their art is more expressive - their passion is expressive but the message isn’t agressive.
For the people needs to be accomplished By the people.
Thank you Robin Williams Batty.
There is exactly 0 comparison more honorable.
You think the DNC is pushing this? Or is this just throwing shit to throw shit?
Vote blue still applies here. I don’t know who told you it doesn’t.
Someone needs to tell that to Cuomo.
Cuomo can fuck right off. And he’s declared himself not part of the DNC.
Yeah but he’s a registered Democrat and should back the nominee.
Unless you’d be okay with Bernie running as an independent in 2016.
No shit. Cuomo’s a shitbag.
You think the DNC is pushing this?
I think they’re going to be more open about doing so as the election approaches.
Vote blue still applies here.
Progressives step aside when centrists win the primaries that the party went to court for the right to rig.
Well, let’s see what happens. If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard, this will be true.
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
If the Democratic establishment pushes Mamdani hard
Sure, and pigs might fly!
Never forget that it was a coalition led by the Dem leadership on behalf of AIPAC that ousted both Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman.
They always fight tooth and nail against progressives and roll over on most of the demands of the fascists in the name of “bipartisanship”
The person you’re replying to is just used to the establishment fighting against progressive insurgents.
As is anyone who’s ever paid attention 🤷
Thanks, I’ll tell your waiter.
The DNC sure as hell isn’t pushing Mamdani, is the point.
Whether they’ll put their enormous propaganda machine behind Cuomo, Adams, or none of the candidates remains to be seen, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won’t be going anywhere near as hard for the progressive running under their banner as they have for both of the Republicans in all but name he’s running against in the past.
The DNC leadership is almost half as corrupt and hypocritical as the fascist party they pretend to be the only possible alternative to.
Or at least that’s the narrative you want on Lemmy. It’s partly true.
Nope, that’s what factually is happening.
Just because the Neoliberals from your favorite billionaire-owned media says something doesn’t make it true.
IDK what you’re saying, the progressive is the blue in this context. Mamdani is the DNC candidate, Cuomo is independent.
What an absolute chode
DNC normally: “3rd parties don’t function in our two party system, there’s no point in voting for them”
DNC after losing their own primary: 3rd party it is
“Vote Blue No Matter Who” reverts to “Party Unity My Ass” as soon as centrists don’t get 100% of everything they want.
These “” seem to have fallen from around the word centrists
They have not.
They’re not centrists as much as they want to believe they are. They are firmly conservative.
Conservative and centrist are functionally synonyms at this point.
The DNC would rather have a MAGA win it than Zohran.
A 3rd party won’t be viable in our lifetimes.
Welcome to reality.
If Mamdani holds out until November, the rest of the country will see that it is possible to vote for a fair shake. If he gets buried, I think voting will be the least of our worries.
Fuck Cuomo and honestly fuck the Democratic leadership to and fuck Democrats in general.
Blue no matter who right? You bunch of hypocritical assholes on par with Republicans.
Yes, Dems have to get flushed, but other than that, this is fantastic news, this is another hubristic blunder by narcissistic political demagogues.
This will guarantee some level of split vote from the people that were going to vote for Adams again or some Republican challenger, whoever that was going to be. And there will be a lot of brainwashed median voters who have no clue what’s going on just hear the facebook warnings that Mamdani is going to enact Turbo Gay Muslim Socialism that will force everyone to stand in breadlines to get their gay muslim rations.
Turnout is ridiculously low for the general election because everyone just assumes the Democrat will win. I’m not sure taking votes from Adams even matters. How many people are actually motivated to turn out for fucking Cuomo or the incredibly unpopular current mayor, in an election that famously has low turn out?
The most likely effect Cuomo will have imo is spooking people to turn out for Mamdani. I’m pretty sure his entering the race as a third party candidate will turn out a lot of young people to vote against him and almost no one to vote for him.
some Republican challenger, whoever that was going to be
Pretty sure that it’s gonna be perennial loser and insanely racist vigilante Curtis Sliwa again.
Either of my cats stand a better chance of becoming mayor of New York than that infected scrotum.
Blue no matter who right?
In this case there’s a better Dem to vote for. But yes, if the option is a Republican or a Democrat, I will 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% vote blue no matter who. I’ve seen enough treason from Republicans to know to default blue if it’s blue or red.
There’s only one Dem to vote for in this race, and it ain’t Cuomo
Sure but tell that to the Democratic leadership that refuses to endorse or support Mamdani.
Careful now, remember both sides are NOT the same!
/s
They aren’t.
And only an idiot would say so unironically after everything we’ve seen.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots on Lemmy.
Haha I wondered how they would try to stop Mamdani becoming mayor.
It’s insane to me they would rather split the vote and put one of Trump’s puppets in office rather than move their platform slightly left of center.
MO of the DNC for many years now.
It makes sense when you think about how they are closer to Trump policy wise than they are to being left of center.
“But, them democrats is all libuhruls!” ~ Most of MAGA.
But, there are some MAGAs who know it’s all a ruse but don’t care because they want the bigots to win. So, they stoke the fire under the ignorant masses.
Modern Liberalism claims to be for individual equality but that’s kind of a lie. It has the same mechanisms to distribute economic and political power than Classic Liberalism, Libertarianism or Neoliberalism. Capital rules everything.
MAGAts understand that the Democrats believe in inequality just like the fascists do, just inequality based on class instead of on identity. So for them it’s perfectly logical to choose identity instead. They are not wrong about the hypocrisy of liberals, pretending to care about equality for some specific group but ignoring the inequality for all. It was fine until prosperity started to plummet.
Not it’s not. They prefer to lose with the right than win with the left.
And after Mamdani hired one of the DNC’s consultants to
nerf all his policiesappeal to the centrists who have thus far refused to endorse him.It’s almost as though the centrist wing of the party does absolutely nothing in good faith and will do everything they can to ratfuck anyone to their left.
I’m not sure this is party desperation so much as it is Cuomo’s ego. I’d call it 75% ego at least.
That’d be blaming the one bad egg, not the the institutions. Neoliberals will ally themselves with fascists to fight socialists. But I guess it’s possible. Also good strategy, blame the rogue politician instead of their moral bankruptcy.
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To be fair: The Democratic Party isn’t a viable political engine for positive social change or a working-class agenda. If Cuomo wins it will be yet another example of how untrustworthy, hypocritical, and vapid Blue No Matter Who voting habits are.
Remember when mods coordinated to ban any criticism of BNMW / Blue Maga from all the major subs during 2024? How they the cultivated a community of briggading, sea-lioning, etc… to try and suppress any criticism of an approach to politics that was obviously going to hand the country to Trump?
.Yes, and they’ve apparently decided to abandon this community in order to wall themselves off from we BoTh SiDeS-ers.
I mean, they lost. And more than just the election. They lost the battle for ideological control of how to do politics; of how to win elections, which was always the premise that justified their reason for being: Their loss is existential.
The core of their argument was that their cynicism was required to win elections. That we had to sacrifice our values, for whatever reason, to be able to “win” the election. To reiterate what our criticisms. Originally, it was with Biden. That without a serious pivot on Gaza and to right wing “enlightened centrism” that had guided his path to that point, he would lose the election. The later criticism was with Harris, and basically identical: That without pivoting and focusing on the issues the base was concerned with, that she would lose the election.
@Phillip_The_Bucket is demonstrating the same cynicism in this thread that lost the election for all of us in his fraudulent interpretation of our critique. The argument wasn’t that Biden or Harris should lose. We we’re point out that they were losing, and at least some of us where arguing what they needed to do to win. If you were to point out the obvious fact that Biden was polling, somehow below DJT, in Dec 2023/Jan 2024, you would get down voted all to hell, if not outright banned. You would get called a bot. Or an NPC. Or an russian operative. Or any other number of slurs. I presented a scientific analysis showing that it was statistically impossible for Biden to turn things around in March of 2024. It was removed as misinformation and I received a ban for it. This isn’t conjecture. Its all documented. Ask @Return2Ozma some of the names they’ve been called and insults they’ve had to suffer for simply posting articles that actually reflect reality.
They were wrong to begin with, insisted on staying committed to something that they knew was both a moral and tactical disaster, they were wrong after Biden dropped out, they were wrong up until the day of the election, and they’ve been wrong since. Alternatively, the exact same critiques we’ve been levying for years now have become the mainstream interpretation of past events. And now, with Mandami’s victory we’re showing something even more powerful. That there is real power in doing the right thing and speaking ones truth. And thats simply not possible for those whose politics is based on the false validation cynicism offers.
What i ask myself in all of this is, whether the “sacrifice” of values wasn’t genuine. Because if they are willing to compromise on genocide and ethnic cleansing, the question is how much of these values were there to begin with.
And subsequently, if they are somehow “okay” with brown people being mass murdered abroad, how should anyone including these people themselves believe that they would do anything substantial to human rights violations at home. And lo and behold they do very little about it.
Because if they are willing to compromise on genocide and ethnic cleansing
Oh they’re not. They remain steadfast in their support for both.
Wouldn’t Cuomo not have the (D) next to his name this time?
You’re missing the point. Vote Blue No Matter Who means that competitors are supposed to step aside after a primary and support the winning candidate. In practice, this means they expect the losing progressive candidate to suck it up and support the establishment democrat. Now that a progressive has won the primary, the establishment democrat is refusing to step aside.
So yes, he technically won’t have a D next to his name, but it is well understood that he is an arm of the political machine that is refusing to respect the will of the voters.
Now it’s time to hammer home the fact that it’s liberals’ turn to “vote blue no matter who.”
What?
How would voting I be voting blue?
Why are people up voting that? It makes zero sense…
Cuomo is the one violating the VBNMW
He should hold his nose and vote for the nominee.
It isn’t, but since centrists didn’t get their very first choice, they’re fine with it now.
“Vote blue no matter who” for me but not for thee
So no rallying behind the candidate then, eh?
What a shocker.
No no we’re supposed to rally behind their candidates.
“We’d really recommend that you use our product. You want to use an alternative? Well… we’ll leave our product right here anyway.”
Failed at being governor, and now he wants to tank the duly elected mayoral nominee for the Democratic party by attempting to split the liberal voting block in NYC. Meanwhile, Trump’s buddy corrupt Eric Adams is doing exactly the same as a favor to his buddy in the White House.
There needs to be a poster on every street corner in NYC explaining this.
Preferably with pictures of both Cuomo and Adams photoshopped into the clowns they are.
Reminds me of Jill Stein running in 2024.
They’re getting money to cause chaos because why not?
I didn’t realize Jill Stein lost the 2024 Democratic primary.
It can be a shit of another species and still smell similar
Jill Stein at the 2024 Green Primaries?
The Democratic Party WILL rig the general election. Hell, they’ll probably work with Republicans to get their candidate in over Mamdani.
Who owns the machines? Is the software audited? Are there tabulation servers involved?
I don’t know if they’ll rig the actual vote directly but the DNC will most certainly spend hundreds of millions to make him look like the devil incarnate leading up to the election even if it means getting a Republican in office. They already did this in 2016 and 2024.
In all the times I’ve posted these questions, nobody has ever answered them.
Republican
both cumuo and ADAMS is doing it for the gop.
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Democrats think we vote for them because we like them
“While Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams trip over themselves, to make deals in back rooms with billionaires, we are focused on fighting for working New Yorkers,” Mamdani said Monday flanked by members of the city’s American Federation of Musicians Local 802. “We are focused on the very people who make this city what it is and who are being pushed out of it.” And he replied to Cuomo’s video on X with a link to donate to his own campaign.
Idk if the link under the billionaire abuser’s video was Mamdani’s idea or his campaign, but of the three candidates’ excerpted quotes in the article, I know which is more inspiring.
This is fucking amazing.
E: The ratio… - https://xcancel.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1944832025652871492
Lol! Good on Ken for linking his blog, too.
Won’t work. Democrats are like any other voting group: they stick with their party, no matter the majority candidate. Because losing to the enemy is worse than losing to an infra-party faction. This is how Trump got elected twice. It’ll happen again, because people are predictable.
He’s just hoping that enough people vote for him that it’ll split the vote and that Adams will win. They’re liberals, they’d rather literal fascists win than leftists.
If the market doesn’t agree with a democratic victory centrists won’t abandon the market, they will abandon victory.
Even by running DNC is dumping their war chest on this fight. If Mamdani loses or fucks up, those are less funds in the DNC coffers and IMO draining those idiots of every cent is a valuable goal.
The Jill Stein approach then…
is any republican even campaigining, either one will try to give each other win, adams is clearly a republican.
No, I’m not that pessimistic. Their allegiance is to party loyalty, not an opposing political viewpoint like facism. The guy’s a true believer, and his intent isn’t to sabotage to Democratic Party but to reform it. I don’t agree with all of his positions, but I like him better than Cuomo right now. The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi like the Far-Left want you to believe. Maintain your centricity and don’t get played into viewing things the way the media outlets and political parties want you to see them.
Clearly Cuomo’s loyalty is not to party because if it was he wouldn’t still be running. I also don’t believe Cuomo believes in anything but himself and his own advantage and the advantage of his big donors. However I’m not saying Cuomo is a far right Nazi. I’m just saying he’d rather a far right Nazi win than a leftist. Though arguably that would imply…
However I’d like to ask you to keep the personal insults to a minimum.
This is the same Cuomo who appointed two republican judges as a f.u. to the Democratic party for pushing him out for his many crimes
hes only running because the DNC saw madami was running and gaining in popularity.
That’s not how it played out in Buffalo NY in their last mayoral election. A socialist won the primary and the Democratic party launched a massive write-in campaign to keep their preferred liberal “Byron Brown” in power, to the point they were handing out stamps at voting locations so that they could be used to easily “write” him. They succeeded in keeping the socialist candidate out, and despite winning, their liberal candidate ended up resigning mid-term to take a cushy C-suite job instead.
The real issue is that Cuomo isn’t a right-wing Nazi
He’s trying to split the vote as a spoiler candidate to allow the NAZI party win. Which makes him a NAZI collaborator.
No, he’s trying to win for his own ambition of power. Calling him a Nazi collaborator for that is idiotic. Just because what he’s doing helps Nazis doesn’t make him a collaborator. Grow the fuck up.
Sure is neat how voting third party suddenly isn’t collaboration.
Sure is neat how your argument has no relevance.
All the people that had criticized the “vote blue no matter who” line of the centrists as being destructive in the long run, especially as people here started touting completely deranged things along the line of “Yeah both Harris and Trump want a genocide, but Harris will make less bad of a genocide than Trump, so we should vote her.”, are now having the “told you so” moment.
The entire talk in the general election was nothing but gaslighting the voters who refused to vote for genocide. The entire claim of “party loyalty” and “change through the party is possible” was a set of lies peddled by the “centrists” that rather want a fascist win than a modest social democrat, who wants to observe basic laws of the US and basic international laws. Now that this “loyalty” goes the other way, the centrists just flipped the script, proving that none of their claims were serious to begin with.
This is relevant, as it proves that the Democratic party is not the vehicle through which to bring positive change, at least not until all the DNC ghouls are kicked out of the party, publicly shamed and stripped of any political influence. Maybe Mamdani is a step in that direction, but we see how the DNC ghouls are already fighting back, as they have one goal and one goal only. To help the oligarchy exploit the people.
Anyone with the slightest criticism of biden or harris last year was called a trump supporter.
If he knows what he is doing cannot possibly lead to his own success, splitting the blue vote can’t lead to him winning, then he is deliberately trying to put the nazis in power over his citizens knowing some of them will be harmed. He’s absolutely a collaborator.
I’m sure he thinks he can win. But even if he didn’t, that doesn’t make him a collaborator. You misunderstand the term. It requires intent. You’re just trying to stack the deck by polarizing it. And I’m sure you think you’re doing the right thing. It’s just that your willful ignorance about the semantics of the term you’re using is harmful. Casting Cuomo as a Nazi gains you nothing but self-righteous purpose. Your cause isn’t righteous, no more than any other cause. You’re just an ideologue of a particular stripe. Have fun being that. From what I hear, it’s a lonely existence.
Nobody who splits his own sides vote can win mathematically. To simplify you need side /2 - loss from infighting > opposition.
By continuing to shit on your own side you tend not only to draw votes for yourself you tend to decrease turnout, enthusiasm, and tell the other sides story for them. All with zero hope of actually winning because you will never out earn the default party vote. EG if just 10% just vote for the official party members it doesn’t matter if you convince 55% of the remaining side to side with you you’ve already lost.
This is why this strategy hasn’t worked this century.
Please pray tell when has a major election been won by a fellow running against his own side? Be specific. Remember major impact elections like Mayor of NYC +
Y’all spent all general shouting how a vote for anyone other than Kamala was a vote for Trump and how those running third party campaigns are just helping Trump win.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, third party candidates aren’t working for the other side?
“A vote for Cuomo is a vote for Sliwa.”.
Not true, unfortunately. In Buffalo, NY, traitor Byron Brown ran and won as a write in candidate after losing the Democratic mayoral primary to India Walton.
It doubly won’t work since isn’t Eric Adams doing the same thing? Two establishment politicians running as independents?
So, he’s going to divide the Rightwing vote.
