Movies and TV shows are modern art forms, and as such are created by artists.
Artists have almost always been politically left of centre, usually wildly so.
Video games have likewise been ‘woke’ for a long fucking time too - but don’t you dare try to make that point to GamersTM.
It would be a boring movie if the protagonist were asleep all the time.
Imagine that you’re awake, with your eyes open, aware of the issues in the world, and wanting to be part of making it better, and…
…there’s a massive number of people who think you’re a shithead for believing that, and should probably be murdered for it. Just do what they tell you.
Fuck you, I won’t do whatcha tell me!
Conservatives are scared of literally everything.
It must be exhausting to be such pussies.
I liked RATM, but then they became political. No thank you.
I liked Motörhead but they also became political like 4 songs into their first album
I liked Bruce Springsteen, but then even he became political!
I liked the dead Kennedys before they got all political too…
I think you can like Kid Rock, I don’t think he’s woke yet.
With a name like Lemmy, I would have never expected it.
At least they never went full Motörhead.ml
I’m not familiar. What happened?
Yeah, why can’t they go back to their namesake, being a reference to the Matrix!
um, didn’t they break up a long time ago?
Is a joke. About people that are like ‘that’
You just repeated the same maga comment you can find in any thread anywhere ever. What are you guys smoking?
It was a joke…
This is a post-joke society
Eh, it keeps me going. I think I’ll continue.
This is a post-pointing out what kind of society it is society.
I like this. Thanks.
You’re welcome 😁
I know that context is sometimes hard to discern in text, but good god that was an obvious one.
This isn’t reddit, you have to identify sarcasm all on your own, without the /s
Star Wars: Fighting space Nazis
Superman: protecting people from Lex Luthor; evil billionaire
Star Trek: Post scarcity society where all humans are treated as equals and nobody “gets” to be a billionaire (Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism)
Doctor Who: had a woman Doctor once
Marvel: “Evil is bad, how about let’s not genocide” (ignoring the billionaire worship w/ Iron Man)
X-Men: always been an allegory for LGBTQ+ and disabled folks
RATM: I mean, it’s in the name.
Starting to see a theme here hmm
I always thought X-Men was about civil rights…
Yeah it’s an allegory for racism and civil rights.
https://www.history.com/articles/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration
Idk if it’s in the comics too, but in first class or some movie, Magneto is depicted as a holocaust survivor. It’s in fact a big part of his identity.
It’s in the comics too.
Figured as much, just haven’t read them myself
Babylon 5: Fighting Earth fascists. Hey, wait a damn minute…
Star wars is also heavily influenced by the Vietnam war. This influenced is alleged to be non deliberate.
It is hilariously appropriate that US Service Members often identify with The Empire and have on occasion flown Empire flags on bases
Alex Jones often imitates Darth Vader and Baron Harkonnen from Dune (as in putting himself in their roles) when he’s bragging about how he and his fellow fascists are “destroying the globalists” 🤦😄
Can’t find it now, but I remember seeing an interview where George Lucas said it was very deliberate.
Doctor Who: had a woman Doctor once
Don’t forget about the wokeness of the 15th and 16th Doctors.
Star Trek: Post scarcity society where all humans are treated as equals and nobody “gets” to be a billionaire (Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism)
Everyone’s a billionaire in Star Trek. But oddly enough, everyone is controlled by a huge naval organisation.
Nah, most of humanity at least is either living idyllic lives, or chose to live on a frontier world or research station or something. Starfleet’s just the exploratory arm of the Federation; but that’s where most of the fun stories are!
If by “woke” you mean scientific intelligence, reason, truth, honour and compassion, then I’m all for it.
Honor’s a sucker’s game, but otherwise yes.
what show is that from?
Star Trek: Lower Decks. Great show, sadly over now after 5 seasons.
Doesn’t woke just mean being aware of issues in your society?
I don’t really see what scientific intelligence has to do with that tbh.
not specifically scientific intelligence, but more so trusting the scientific process that has been developed over centuries, and not refuting all scientific claims that conflict with specific political motives (i.e: believing that climate change is real and heavily influenced by humans and that we should stop polluting == woke. not believing in climate change because Big Oil lobbies ethically compromised politicians that then tell their constituents that climate change is a hoax; being one of those easily manipulated people == anti woke)
I see scientific intelligence as pursuing truth, which means being aware, I guess.
We can legitimately level a lot of hate at Hollywood and a large swath of “content creators” online for escalating the very idea of “woke” into positions so delusional or terrible that I’m still not convinced it’s not just psyop all the way down. They made the idea of progressivism and social good seem cringe, socially out-of-touch, ham-fisted and unrealistic.
I’d love to see less “recast famous story in new races for controversy and profit” and more original stories that show actual struggles that various groups face because of their ethnicity or other identities. (I’d love to see a superhero movie that goes after corrupt healthcare company CEO’s but someone already tried to make that story on their own.)
They shot themselves in the dick for the express purpose of creating drama and engagement while trying to appeal to their mental image of “liberal america” in pursuit of profit, not ideals.
Honestly, the new Superman movie is a bit of a breath of fresh air, it delivers a powerful social message without falling into the tired tropes and doesn’t sugar-coat it, you know EXACTLY who they’re targeting and who they represent. But they’re also not trying to pander to both-sides. They kept Superman consistent to his values and showed that bad things are in fact, bad. And bad guys exist and are bad. (And they’re usually the wealthy elite.)
It’s more of an ensemble of virtue-signals denoting membership in a certain tribe. Same people tho.
Little babies getting their feelings hurt. If only they could read and understand that woke is a form of being awake/aware and their self owns by making fun of it is blatantly hilarious. Only the media and the right get all up in arms over woke, the rest of us just call it reality.
Rage against the machine became woke? They were über woke before it was a thing.
That’s the joke I guess?
I think I heard a shot…
Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
but is it really shit if it makes a stockholder a lot of money? /s
Well yeah, they’re all woke now. They used to be woke before too, but they’re still woke now as well, as they should.
It wasn’t woke then, because woke wasn’t made up yet
Woken was first used in the 1930s to encourage black Americans and other minority groups to be aware of the prejudice and discrimination against them by white Americans.
It’s more like the term hadn’t become a catchall phrase for the right to dismiss all forms of injustice without having to engage with the actual issue.
It’s especially pathetic seeing European right wing politicians use the phrase. It’s always fun to challenge them to define it because they can’t.
Oh No! Not Rage Against the Machine! How could they!
Wait, they’re not upset about their vacuum cleaner after all? Who knew?
Always assumed it was a printer
I don’t think even Satan would wish printers on mankind.
Well, all those nazis popping out everywhere are a problem, yes, but if you make some movement against printers, I can get behind it too.
Man, why cant anything be FOR the systems of oppression that prop up my fragile masculinity?
Seriously! I started listening to Rage Against the Machine specifically because they had songs like “Thank you, I’ll always do what you tell me” and “Wake Up (to the genocidal leftist conspiracy)”. This whole 180 they’ve made has been devastating.
They can’t grasp that these things have not changed, but they joined the bad guys so their perspectives changed. They can’t see the billionaires gilded puppet strings manipulating them.
too many people nowadays are brainwashed by public media. we have to somehow get people off facebook
Actually yes, they changed. Dr Who literally changed sex and race.
He has always changed personalities ever since the first regeneration in the 60s
But that isn’t what I said, now is it.
Wait till they learn the matrix is about trans rights.
I’m convinced that that was just something that they decided to tack on to as an afterthought because it doesn’t really make sense to view it in that context.
Especially if you include the sequels.
I think the confusing part is because the story of the movie doesn’t fit with what most people, including myself, assume a trans-film would be.
The aesthetic and the environment I can kind of see are trans-coded. Jacking in to a fake world, and living in one where you’re your true self fits. Even the plot as a whole of living under oppression to be your fake self I can understand. Getting away from the broad strokes it really challenges what I expected a trans-film to be and that’s just confusing.
it’s not exactly a trans film in and of itself but it does use the those ideas at its core. it takes the vibes of the experience of being a trans person, and then builds a plot on those vibes
it’s like a closeted trans film, hiding the true reason behind how it came to be. It had to be just broad strokes, otherwise it wouldn’t have existed. Even today an outwardly trans film would have a very difficult time getting out of the “indi film with no budget not by choice, but becuase nobody wanted to fund it” hell
it’s not exactly a trans film in and of itself but it does use the those ideas at its core.
The question if we’re living in a simulation is nothing new.
It only became a “trans” movie 'cos the directors transitioned.i googled if the directors’ intention was to always put that idea in Matrix and they said yes so i’ll to with that
Which to me sounds like wanting to score internet points.
At one point they cited Simulacra and Simulation and Ghost in the Shell as influences, so yes, it’s about existentialism, consciousness, the simulation hypothesis, etc.
The trans topic fits right in but that wasn’t the original goal (unless they had a human of one gender jack in and be another gender in the matrix). Are any trans people in the cast?On a similar note, another such movie (from the same year) is eXistenZ.
yeah i don’t exactly buy that it was intentional but both directors turned out to be trans, so their life experience is definitely reflected in the script. and to be fair, it’s very on brand for artists to say “oh yeah that was tooootally intentional, yes i planned it from the very beginning! yup!”
It’s not about trans rights as much as it’s a highly metaphorical film about trans experience. So metaphorical in fact it could be argued it fails (failed) in its messaging. Even after the Wachowski sisters broke the news to everyone, the film still isn’t regarded that way. It’s a nice after note and I’m certainly not trying to rag on trans rights or issues here, it’s just that The Matrix didn’t do much of anything for trans people.
The major theme of the film is awakening from a false consciousness. It’s an existentialist picture. This leaves it open to any of countless interpretations unrelated to gender. I think many more people have interpreted the film as Christian with Neo in the role of Jesus and with some of the names of characters and places having biblical themes. The film’s actual depiction of gender is rather conventional, including the action girl trope shown by the character Trinity.
Taken together, these two details make it very difficult to support the Wachowskis’ claim in the text. If anything, the opposite could be argued.
It’s also about the art of bullet-dodging in a very cool way and with style. And the scientific evidence that the 90’s were the peak of humanity.
How tho
The two “brothers” who made the movie came out as both trans years later and said it was about their trans experience. Not so much about “rights” tho
They came out as trans, that’s right
But how is the story of matrix related to trans experience
The whole real vs fake world, realizing you have to get out of the fake one… That’s an egg cracking metaphor I guess?
And that Neo finally understood who he was and what his place was after taking the red pill, with estradiol being a red pill at the time
Oh yeah I forgot the whole pill thing, I only focused on the actual transition of his being.
This makes all those “redpilled” right wingers even funnier lmao
Yeah but he transitioned from Mr Anderson to Neo, he didn’t transition to Neette did he? So no, it’s not about trans people or their rights, it’s about existentialism in general.
It’s not, they just wanted to score internet points.
I guess so
