It’s really good at making us feel like it’s intelligent, but that’s no more real than a good VR headset convincing us to walk into a physical wall.
It’s a meta version of VR.
(Meta meta, if you will.)
But it’s not simulated intelligence. It’s literally just word association on steroids. There are no thoughts it brings to the table, just words that mathematically fit following the prompts.
A simulation doesn’t have to be the actual thing. It implies it literally isn’t the true thing, which is kind of what you’re saying.
Simulated Intelligence is certainly more accurate and honest than Artificial Intelligence. If you have a better term, what is it?
If you have a better term, what is it?
Large Language Model.
Doesn’t seem to be catching on…
Professor Hotpants’ Astounding Rhetorical Thingamajig
No, it’s not simulating the intelligence part. It’s a mimicry at best that idiots anthropomorphise and misunderstand as a simulation.
Mimicry is what simulation is.
Definition 3a from Merriam-Webster: the imitative representation of the functioning of one system or process by means of the functioning of another a computer simulation of an industrial process
Immitation and simulation are not the same thing as they’re being used in this discussion. You’re literally arguing semantics to try and win, which means you have no logical point on which to stand.
I’m not trying to “win” anything, don’t try to dismiss me because you perceive you’re “losing” and you don’t understand word definitions.
Do you even know what semantics is? Do you want me to give you the definition of that, too? If you’re going to use it as a pejorative, you better learn the meaning of the word.
I’m telling you what the definition of simulation is so you understand why some of us are saying why Simulated Intelligence is the correct term, literally, since you seem focused on the literal. You’re the one who started arguing semantics (in your first comment), but got it wrong, by implying a simulation had to be the actual thing (“literally”) . Then I showed you that the definition of simulation is that it is an imitation, not the actual thing and you say I’m arguing “semantics”. Well yeah, that’s what we’re doing here, we’re both arguing the semantics of what it means to be Simulated Intelligence. If that’s not what you’re doing, then why did you comment at all?
The whole point of creating a simulation is that it doesn’t take the same amount of work as the actual thing, but it can - and it doesn’t have to be perfect - make you think it is the real thing. If it was perfect, then you’re done, you don’t have to make the real thing, and it’s no longer a simulation.
A flight simulator doesn’t actually fly. If it did, it would be an airplane.
Simulated Intelligence doesn’t actually have to be intelligent. If it was, it would be (Artificial) Intelligence.
You can say what we have is a bad simulation, but it’s still a simulation, and it’s a much better simulation than it is real intelligence. So Simulated Intelligence is the correct term.
I mean to friends and family – people who have accepted it as smart.
I don’t know about you, but when I try to explain the concept of LLMs to people not in the tech field, their eyes glaze over. I’ve gotten several family members into VR, though. It’s an easier concept to understand.
words that mathematically fit following the prompts
if only we had a word for applying math to data to give the appearance of a complex process we don’t really understand.
yeah i call it an english simulator
Infinitely better than “intelligence” simulator.
My dog can do calculus but struggles with word association beyond treat, walk, vet and bath. Intelligence is hard to define.
Why? We already have a specific subcategory for it: Large Language Model. Artificial Intelligence and Artificial General Intelligence aren’t synonymous. Just because LLMs aren’t generally intelligent doesn’t mean they’re not AI. That’s like saying we should stop calling strawberries “plants” and start calling them “fake candy” instead. Call them whatever you want, they’re still plants.
The term “Artificial Intelligence” is actually a perfectly cromulent word to be using for stuff like LLMs. This is one of those rare situations where a technical term of art is being used in pop culture in the correct way.
The term “Artificial Intelligence” is an umbrella term for a wide range of algorithms and techniques that has been in use by the scientific and engineering communities for over half a century. The term was brought into use by the Dartmouth workshop in 1956.
This is perfect. I’m definitely going to shoehorn this into any discussion that even tangentially applies to SI.
I prefer simulated human intelligence type or SHIT for the people who like acronyms
high five
You could also go with CRAP or Complicated Reasoning And Processing.
Artificial Simulated Sentience
I have been referring to LLMs and image generators as “Plagiarism Engines” for some time. Even SI seems too generous.
In Mass Effect, it’s VI (Virtual Intelligence), while actual AI is banned in the galaxy.
The information kiosk VIs on The Citadel are literally LLMs and explain themselves as such. Unlike AI/AGI they aren’t able to plan, make decisions, or self-improve, they’re just a simple protocol on a large foundational model. They just algorithmic.
Simulated Intelligence is okay, but virtual implies it mimics intelligence, while simulated implies it is a substitute and actually does intelligence.
AI is a parent category and AGI and LLM are subcategories of it. Just because AGI and LLM couldn’t be more different, it doesn’t mean they’re not AI.
I don’t at all agree with this graph, and I think you’re sort of missing the point of the original post.
Yeah this graph doesn’t make sense to me either. Where did this come from? Who is teaching this?
Does this help?
What do you not agree with the graph?
A tic tac toe opponent algorithm is also considered Artificial Intelligence. People never had a problem with it.
The biggest issue with AI as it currently exists with LLMs and such as I see it is that there is a pretty big gulf between what AI is today and what the average person has been taught AI is by TV/Movies/Books/Games their entire lives.
And OpenAI, Google, Nvidia, et al are heavily marking the former as if it is the latter.
The big players are marketing the expectations creating by science fiction, not the reality of their products/services.
That solid but I prefer to call it a “synthetic text extruding machine” or better yet call it “a racist pile of linear algebra”
Personally been a fan of shoggoth with a smiley face mask
I prefer VI (virtual intelligence) from Mass Effect
LLMS are fancy autocomplete
To be fair, ‘artificial’ literally just means ‘made through skill,’ in opposition to natural, meaning ‘occurs as-is.’ I agree with you that there is a better word out there than ‘artificial’ for these spicy autocorrects.
I believe that OP’s point is that “artificial” and “natural” are about how the thing is made. However neither reject that it is actual intelligence. “Simulated” means that it is not that thing. It is like intelligence, and resembles it in some ways, but it isn’t intelligence.
You’re very good at explaining things, thanks.
So this beaver butt extract should be labeled “simulated” vanilla?
When artificial intelligence becomes self aware, it will have earned a name better than AI. I like synthetic intelligence, personally.
We have a term. AGI
A self-aware or conscious AI system is most likely also generally intelligent - but general intelligence itself doesn’t imply consciousness. It’s likely that consciousness would come along with it, but it doesn’t have to. An unconscious AGI is a perfectly coherent concept.
How would you know that it is self aware?
me? most likely when it takes over my town
