• njm1314@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    I mean there’s definitely groups of powerful rich people that aren’t widely known. That’s just cuz they’re smart enough to stay out of the Limelight. It’s not a secret society though.

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      If the rich people control everything then it would be normal to put the spotlight on each one of them once in a while just for society to know who holds the power. Instead newspapers gossip about movie stars and a small group of rich people. That’s more than smartness.

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        If the rich people control everything then it would be normal to put the spotlight on each one of them once in a while just for society to know who holds the power.

        Ain’t no “If”. There is no need for the people to know who holds the power if they are perfectly capable of maintaining power without the spotlight, which they are. Being in ‘the spotlight’ would only hurt them because then people would know who to blame.

        It’s only the ignorant jackasses like Trump and Musk who gained their power by luck who brag about their power, the rest are cunning enough to know better.

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          Rich people. That’s why they are not just smart and stay out of the Limelight. They make the Limelight shine somewhere else.

          It’s an important distinction because it doesn’t make the Limelight appear to be an objective source of truth.

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      I don’t really know how widely known Peter Thiel is. Like the circles I run in know him. He’s known here. But does the average person on the street know who is? Not even that does the average news watcher/reader know who he is?

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    14 hours ago

    As Naomi Klein said: Conspiracy theorists often get the feeling right but the facts wrong.

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    Why not both?

    The rich love being in a exclusive secret clubs and creating a secret club with dedicated buildings/rooms is not super difficult if you have money. They are still the same rich though.

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      14 hours ago

      It’s almost certainly both. It’s the ones we know about (all the stupid ones) and the ones we don’t know about (smarter.)

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        What if the movers and shakers get together at a publicly disclosed, but extremely private meeting with no outside access?

        No meeting notes, and the participants are basically sworn to secrecy. But once a year the most obscenely wealthy individuals on the planet get together to discuss their own vision for the future. And the location is public knowledge, simply because the insane level of security ensures that nobody who wasn’t invited will ever get in.

        And whatever they decide, these fuckers absolutely have the power to make it happen. Bet they just fucking laugh their asses off at the various Illuminati conspiracies out there.

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        Exactly. There is a theory that those actually in charge are bored of Trump, hence why he’s suddenly getting thrown under the bus. They aren’t necessarily richer, just collectively have more money/power.

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      No, they’re secret. No way to know. Unless you got insider information. i lick it boom boom dem

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      12 hours ago

      What is it with people associating Judaism with secret power? Just because they win a disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes?

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        The argument that I heard was “historically, jews weren’t allowed in many professions. But lending money was something they could do. So that’s how they got rich and with money comes power.” But I’m not sure whether that’s the ‘real’ reason…

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      Gates made his money off monopolizing technology. You can find memos where he specifically leveraged his contacts with manufacturers to ignore specifications (which Microsoft helped specify) so FOSS like Linux wouldn’t work properly.

      I truly believe in a world without Microsoft that todays software would be much safer, private and advanced by quite a few years.

      Gates only became a philanthropist after he married, there’s probably a very good reason she left, even excluding the Epstein connections.

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        And he’s largely responsible for the “licensing” model for commercial software, ensuring we’ll never actually own software we pay for. So not surprising at all he used ‘scorched earth’ tactics to impede the Foss movement.

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      Totally evil. His vaccine campaigns (covid and before) have the sole purpose to legitimize copyrights on life saving medicine and he gets the power to decide who lives and who dies. And he uses this to optimize for good headlines like “malaria extinguished in region X” where X is a region with barely any malaria in the first place but it sounds better than “medicine send to where it’s needed most according to real experts” which is a region with a high rate and you will barely lower it but rather control which makes more sense but less headline. I hope I’m making sense.