• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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    4 days ago

    Gerrymandering should be a crime and conviction should mean removal from office and a life long ban on working in politics.

    Now we just need a way to do that that isn’t vigilante violence.

    It is kind of frustrating how every system needs to resist people (usually conservatives) from acting in bad faith.

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      Now we just need a way to do that

      I have some ideas.

      that isn’t vigilante violence.

      Oh. Nevermind…

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      Supposedly there was a bill a few years ago to ban it that narrowly failed.

      At this point maybe the best bet would be for blue states to enter the gerrymandering arms race on a conditional basis; do it as blatantly as it’s being done on the other side, with some explicit clause that it will end when fair representation is implemented nationwide.

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        I just read an article this morning (tried to find it to link here but couldn’t) that was talking about how it will be more difficult for Dems to lean into this strategy because most of the blue states already have independent committees to draw districts (as they should.) It basically pointed to California as our sole bastion of hope for 2026 and noted that if a bunch of the states follow suit, the Republicans will have the edge. Continues to come down to the electoral college problem with small states getting disproportionate voices.

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        That assumes the democratic party wants gerrandering to end and they just won’t collude with the Republicans to carve up the country and entrench the two party system.

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      In order to do that, we need a rigorous definition of gerrymandering that isn’t just “I know it when I see it.” Even if we try to adopt some sort of strict mathematical criteria and algorithm for redistricting (such as optimizing for “compactness” using a Voronoi algorithm), there would always still be some amount of arbitrary human input that could be gamed (such as the location of seeds, in this example). Even if we went so far as to make a rule that everything must be randomized (which would possibly be bad for things like continuity of representation, by the way), we could still end up with people trying to influence the outcome by re-rolling the dice until they got a result they liked.

      It’s a hard (in both the computational sense and political sense) problem to solve.

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        I heard of a test that makes sense, minimally. If you reverse the vote of every single person, the opposite party should win. Apparently there are ways of organizing it where that isn’t the case.

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          That only works if there are only two parties. I’d prefer a solution that works with electoral reform, not against it.

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            but since there are 2 parties it complies with your request of

            a rigorous definition of gerrymandering that isn’t just “I know it when I see it.”

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          To make aure I understand, you mean that if you reverse the vote of every district the state should see the opposite party winning?

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        I wonder if “I know it when I see it” would be good enough if it had to pass a public vote. Do you think the regular people on the street would vote to support gerrymandering? Getting good voter turnout and education is its own set of problems, admittedly.

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          Do you think the regular people on the street would vote to support gerrymandering?

          If their side gets more representation, then yes. Unfortunately people are too focused on the output and not the process.

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        I’m not sure. I said in another comment in here that maybe having the public vote on districts would make it harder to pull off. Like, if the entire state needs to look at the map and say “That looks fair”, maybe it’ll be hard to make those paint splatter ones.

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          I appreciate the response, reading my comment I hope it didn’t come across as challenging you. Was just meaning to share that it is an important question that I hope someone figure out an answer for.

          I think leveraging the relative ease we have with modern communication instead of renting on systems that don’t account for the actual capability that there is no technical reason everyone in the world can’t vote at the same time on issue if we really wanted to make it happen

          The technology we currently have is able to do it, it would just be a matter of handling the traffic. (We penalty don’t have enough hardware in place, but that’s just a logistic other)