The world is turning into one giant shitty customer service experience.
This is also why (I think) that younger people don’t like going outside. Cameras are everywhere. There’s no privacy. We’ve become a world of creeps. Not really for the most of us. But if I was 10 years old I’d think everyone as creeps.
Now corporations are forcibly creeping into the classrooms. Yuck!
I was already glad being out of school before widespread take-home laptops and required after-school logging in to check for homework and shit, but this AI-driven surveillance is on a whole other level. Sometimes I’m wondering if it’s just me getting old and doing the old people thing thinking things were better “back in the day” but is this current state not objectively worse, being monitored so much and having no way to really disconnect from school?
Its not a technology issue, its a capitalism issue.
Idealy, people should be able to afford their own devices and just log in via a browser, but capitalism fucks everyone and kids are too poor to have their own laptop and has to use the school-issued one which is obviously managed and surveilled because they can’t have you watching porn on it.
Also, #SaveSnowDays, stop forcing an online meet if its snowing and they cant get to school, just let kids have a day off once in a while.
I’m no fan of capitalism, but nothing in it requires public schools to install surveillance software on laptops. This seems purely like an administration issue, which is often the source of problems in general, not just in schools, but also in other sectors like healthcare, where they put in stupid policies while sucking up funding for themselves and their pet issues instead of towards the core purpose of that sector.
Agreed on the snow days. In fact, I think we should reduce the number of school days (and work days, for that matter) in general.
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Is this a Paranoia reference out in the wild? Amazing. Well done!
Heh, thanks. I see more and more similarity between Paranoia and the real world, as well as all the dystopian 1970s sci-fi I grew up on…
Anything with a very low rate of true positives applied to a large population is going to have an insane false positive rate. EG a 1 in 7M issue applied to 70M students with a 1% false positive rate would produce 700k false positives. Worse people who are actually planning a school shooting may be more likely to avoid telegraphing their intentions. So you could damage 700k kids futures and traumatize them without even catching many or any of the killers.
Sounds more like they are maybe using ML classifiers on all the communications they are spying on by conventional means. To me that’s not the same as using AI to spy but whatever.
I mean pretty stupid to write that in the schools chat app, use signal or shit just regular iMessage
Apparently another one got arrested within hours of a Snapchat too.
Damn kids gotta make everything public these days lol
Shouldn’t they have used AI to collect the messages and then have a human manually intervene?
Some good news here is that if they apply this to society as a whole the jails would be too full, keep saying the no-no words online!
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There is something fundamentally fucked up in a country that arrests and puts in jail a 13 years old kid over a bad joke.
And strip-searched!
Without notifying parents
Oh I missed that bit. JFC she’s 13. How can police be so clueless about their own job… rhetorical question, I know the answer.
“clueless” thats pretty much what the leo jobs are.
You don’t understand, they are brown \s
But can’t put the pedo convicted felon grifter behind bars…
The result of “no tolerance policies”.
With the help of artificial intelligence, technology can dip into online conversations and immediately notify both school officials and law enforcement.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the experts here, not the police) go through the positives first.
But oh, that would mean having to pay somebody, at least some extra hours, in addition to the no doubt expensive software. JFC.
The cruelty is the point.
Not sure what’s worse here: how the police overreacted or that the software immediately contacts law enforcement, without letting teachers (n.b.: they are the professionals here, not the police) go through the positives first.
The idea behind the policy is to stop school shootings. If there were a legitimate threat of violence, you would likely want the police to be notified as soon as possible. The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
They have literally sacrificed an essential freedom for some temporary, and probably illusory, security.
Man, if only there was a good way to stop school shooting
Alas, one can only dream
“no way to stop this” says the only country where this happens
Dream? Not in an American school you don’t. You need to stay alert and be ready to “RUN, HIDE, FIGHT” at any moment.
I didn’t realize the schools were using Run, Hide, Fight. That is the same policy for hospital staff in the event of an active shooter. Maddening.
Having worked in quite a few fields in the last 15 years or so, it’s the same active shooter training they give everyone. Even in stores that sell guns.
I’ll let the reader decide how fucked up it is that there’s basically a countrywide accepted “standard response”
Thank you for widening this perspective. I had no idea, but it fits.
I’m sorry, in hospitals? Where a significant portion of the patients can do none of those things?
They’re not residents, you’re thinking of nursing homes. Roughly a third of hospital patients can walk without assistance, but yes. The rationale is staff doesn’t turn themselves into bullet sponges, because then who is left to remove the bullets once the shooter is dead? Either way, what do unarmed, untrained (to fight) people with the body armor equivalent of pajamas do to stop bullets?
The patient room doors don’t lock. Sometimes those doors are made of glass. But herding the patients who can walk into the halls is likely an opportunity for an active shooter to hit more targets. As such, everyone hunkers down, and the police take care of it. In theory, per the training modules. Police sometimes run drills with the hospital, depending on locale and interagency dealings.
Shutting all the fire doors is likely the only defense. Those nurses can be crafty on the fly, but there are limitations.
I can’t imagine a secondary piece of this policy isn’t hospitals avoiding liability regarding workplace injury/death lawsuits.
I just hadn’t known until now that in grasping for solutions schools found the standardized hospital policy and are running with it.
I guess that the hospital is one of the better places to get shot.
Hospital staff.
I missed that part lol, mb
Why maddening? The active shooter response shouldn’t be all that different.
the policy is to stop school shootings
You should try Europe once. It’s more fun than your 3rd world country.
Knowing that Europe literally has a problem with its soccer audiences making monkey noises at black athletes makes this particular bit of condescension all the more ridiculous.
The Asiaphobia that still goes on in the UK is absurd…
I’ll still never get over the British Dub of Takeshi’s Castle referring to contestants as “Happy Clappy Jappy Chappies” and “Kamikaze Cousins”
A shame, I really wanted to watch that version, it has Craig Charles doing the narrating, but… sorry Lister, seems you can’t help but be a smeghead around the Japanese.
Idiots and assholes exist everywhere. At least ours don’t have guns.
Yeah, they use knives instead.
The knife homicide rate is literally higher in the US.
If you think I’m trying to say the US is better… by any measure LOL! -No. The US is a shithole.
My point is that if you take guns out of the equation they’ll just be replaced by something else.
This isn’t the flex you think it is.
Wasn’t intended to be. But evil people will find a way to do evil.
A lot of Europe seems to somehow have worse racism in some areas than the US. Ask a couple English people what they think of travellers and Muslims.
Reddit moment: comparing a few racist idiots with daily murders.
I think if the matches are having to be stopped, it’s probably more than a few.
“Daily murder” is a sneaky rhetorical maneuver, considering it’s something influenced more by raw population size, than by capita. It’s easy for there to be a “daily murder” in a country of 340,000,000 people, even when the overwhelmingly vast majority of people do not murder.
Using “few” to trivialize/minimize the racism is no better.
Shame on you for this disingenuity.
Even when we go per capita the US stays a shithole, it’s not like they were trying to actively misinform people.
That’s because US population has too much freedom. Gotta keep a boot on peoples neck to maintain control. Look at the 466+ people arrested for protesting
Is this better, worse, or the same as throwing dildos at female WNBA athletes?
Agreed on the condescension, that was uncalled for. Your whataboutism sucks though.
Oh, I’m with you on that. I’m just pointing out the thought behind the policy, however flawed. I’ve been to Europe many years ago. I would love to be there now, except that as an American I would be rightly ostracized.
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What do you mean, “try Europe?”
The police are not effective at dealing with school shootings.
The issue here is that the authorities are letting a piece of half-ass code (Read: AI) decide what is a legitimate threat and, worse still, acting on that determination without question.
Yeah, at the very least, the software should be passing on the statement, and context surrounding it, along with its ‘judgment’, to the authorities, putting all the responsibility for making the call that X genuinely merits action on said authorities.
Of course, that’s just one piece of the puzzle, and not a solution if law enforcement isn’t held accountable when they fuck up.
Authorities be like “aww shoot, not again.”
I hate how fully leapfrogged the conversation about surveillance was. It’s so disgusting that it’s just assumed that all of your communications should be read by your teachers, parents, and school administration just because you’re a minor. Kids deserve privacy too.
Holy shit, the amount of surveillance the teens are under is ungodly and people blame the chatbot? And there wasn’t even a human kind enough to speak with the girl before calling the fucking cops? I see a lot of blame to place here, but it’s not the chatbot who is to blame.
- The kids for bullying her for her tan
- The school boards implementing the surveillance
- The parents who allowed such surveillance in the first place
- The person screening what was flagged for not sending the school counselor to talk with the kid
- The person calling the cops
- The cops for arresting an 8th-grader and DOING A STRIP SEARCH AND KEEPING HER OVERNIGHT WTF instead of handing her over to her parents
Everyone of them failed a 13 year old girl. All of them should be ashamed.
The cops for arresting an 8th-grader
This is America, that’s what they do. They love overreacting to small problems.
I was arrested for self-defence in a highschool fight, the actual bully who attack me did not get in any sort of trouble. If I didn’t have citizenship, there was a chance that incident could’ve led to my deportation, even tho I was a minor. (USCIS can see all your arrests, including those that did not led to a conviction, or even expunged or pardoned offences, and they could retroactively revoke your legal status if they find out you lied.) But luckily charges were dropped because of couse they don’t have the evidence to prove it and I have a clean record so they didn’t bother prosecuting.
There is probably an alternate timeline somewhere out there in the multiverse where I got deported and had to learn another language that I haven’t spoken for over a decade. Depressing to think about.
(Well that is still technically a possibility, all they have to do is make up some bullshit about “being a spy” and put me in gitmo)
I’m in Canada and it’s only marginally better with respect to police under/overreaction. A friend and I once got the “don’t go to school on X day” message and we went immediately to local, provincial, and federal police. No one took us seriously. We had a friend working at CSIS (American analogue would be CIA) look into it and later that week we saw the article in a local paper.
Police investigated the home and found:
- 5000 rounds of ammunition
- body armor
- explosives
- only thing he couldn’t get was legal firearms because of his history of mental illness, but he had been working on connections to acquire illegal ones
Point being we couldn’t get the police to lift a finger to check out what we believed to be a credible threat (this guy never even joked about that stuff), but boy were they willing to burn rubber racing to my school when I committed the crime of defending myself in a “normal” school fight and one of my bullies claimed they felt threatened by me. This event set off a whole series of events, like requiring me to get a full evaluation at a psychiatric facility, before being allowed back in school. Our system is broken.
They love overreacting to small problems.
It’s what they do instead of reacting to major problems in any way.
Ya, AI is not the story here.
The kids for bullying her for her tan
To me it didn’t sound like she was being bullied, it seemed like her friends made a stupid joke and then she responded with another stupid joke. Which makes it even stupider that she got arrested. Literally just kids being kids.
This is exactly what is going to happen with the fucking chat control of the EU actually enforces it, but for an entire continent. Fuck this shit. Privacy is a human right.
I am Canadian, how can I help? Because this shit is coming to Canada, too.
The only hope is to immigrate to a place without this shit.
Immigrating costs billions of dollars
The countries where this is not happening is narrowing so seriously that there is no where left to run.
The few ones are already good enough.
When the rain starts coming through this tree, we’ll just move to another one.
Ez bro just get on a plane
that defeatist attitude is helping no one and is not how a resilient democracy survives
It’s your choice, but I’m leaving.
We’re way past a resilient democracy buddy.
with this attitude certainly, buddy
but seriously, yes it’s scary what is happening around the world right now but that means we as citizens need to organize and resist. This is how every social and moral good that we enjoy today was won. Freedom from oppression is a constant fight and always has been
Go fuck yourself (As in the school)
Why are you being so aggressive?
Why are you being so passive?
There’s not much else the little guy can do. 😔
Arrested and strip-searched for a first offense? That’s fucking ridiculous. I hope the lawsuit succeeds. It’s the only peaceful tool we have to curb over-zealous law enforcement.
Before the morning was even over, the Tennessee eighth grader was under arrest. She was interrogated, strip-searched and spent the night in a jail cell, her mother says.
Earlier in the day, her friends had teased the teen about her tanned complexion and called her “Mexican,” even though she’s not. When a friend asked what she was planning for Thursday, she wrote: “on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s.”
This is an ass-covering response to school shootings, because some of the shooters have expressed their intent before.
A strip search obviously isn’t necessary even if it’s a credible threat; a metal detector wand and basic pat down is more than enough to ensure someone doesn’t have a gun. This wasn’t a credible threat though, and a chat with the school counselor would have been the right way to handle this.
Yeah, that was my first thought too. I can see the need to take anything that resembles an actionable threat seriously, but that poor kid did not deserve to be abused by law enforcement like that.
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Students who think they are chatting privately among friends often do not realize they are under constant surveillance
This is the problem
Yea, if nothing else hopefully this will make at least a few kids think about online privacy.
