Mexico’s supreme court has decriminalized abortion across the country, two years after ruling that abortion was not a crime in one northern state.
That earlier ruling had set off a grinding process of decriminalizing abortion state by state. Last week, the central state of Aguascalientes became the 12th state to decriminalize the procedure. Judges in states that still criminalize abortion will have to take account of the top court’s ruling.
The supreme court wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it had decided that “the legal system that criminalized abortion in the Federal Penal Code is unconstitutional, [because] it violates the human rights of women and people with the ability to gestate.”
Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women’s rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.
I suspect a LOT of abortions happening down in the west texas town of el paso.
Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women’s rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.
In some ways it might be about sending a clear signal that they arent interested in following the political or cultural leadership of the US.
Fuck. You mean trump actually made [North] America great again?
Mexico is finally gonna pay for the wall. The wall to keep fleeing Americans out of Mexico.
Now we just need a wall on Kentucky’s border with Tennessee.
How many Ds in those chess? We may never know…
Nonono, in SPITE of! 😆
They also legalized same sex marriage a while ago. Yes they are religious but they are not “bible belt fundamentalists”… there is also universal healthcare. Did you know several American doctors go study there and just come back to pass the exams? Mexico had it’s problems but it’s not as bad as they make it seem here. Most immigrants that come here are at the bottom of the barrel of the economical scale.
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It’s not all Americans, it’s mostly trash Americans who have nothing else to be proud of except having fallen out of the hole of someone who also happened to be born here.
Well, most Americans are progressive on the issues, including abortion, but due to absurd things like the Electoral College, and the way our power is distributed through states and the way in which rural areas have much more influence than they should, conservatives are given way too much power in relation to their numbers.
But without that, the majority would be tyrants!
Oh please, if we didn’t have the electoral college the south wouldn’t be able to serve as the moral compass of the country and couldn’t guide us away from such evils as slavery and racism.
Mexico’s constitution always allowed for abortions in cases of rape or danger to the mother or fetus.
Catholics might be against abortion, but they are no where near as vocal as some other Christian sects in the US.
Also the Catholic church believed abortions were fine until ~5 months for a long time.
That’s absolutely not true, it was just viewed as a sexual sin before. The catholic church has been against abortion since the 1500s, arguably you could even say it goes back to the early 600s when they tried to find ways to distance themselves from pagans. It wasn’t until the late 1960s when public opinion changed about it being a sin against taking life, then I believe in the 70s the Pope made a public statement, which made it canonical.
As a random side note, St. Thomas of Aquinas take on fetal status was kind of interesting. He viewed a fetus as having 3 states or “souls”; a vegetative soul, an animal soul, and finally a rational soul once the body was completely developed.
" In 1591 the new Pope Gregory XIV reversed the decision, declaring abortion to only be homicide if it took place after ensoulment, which he determined took place 166 days into a pregnancy, or well over halfway through the second trimester. This decision lasted for 278 years until Pope Pius IX reversed the decision yet again in 1869 and made abortion after conception a sin that automatically excommunicated those involved in its procurement from the Catholic Church."
166 days would be over 5 months.
From at least 1500s on it was never “fine” it has always been a sexual sin, that can lead to excommunication from the church. How that works in practice is extremely regional. Even prior to the 1500s it was still an excommunicable offense in most areas, there just isn’t documented policy that I know of.
I also love how whatever quote that is from is using the word “trimester” in relation to something from 1591 when the US Supreme Court coined the term centuries later.
They use trimester to make it meaningful to modern readers, not to imply the rule used that language originally. Like if you were to say “a cubit, or about a foot and a half.”
…people with the ability to gestate.
Got that 1-2 punch of abortion progress and inclusive language.
People that can’t gestate rarely need abortions.
…rarely.
Well there are some days I’d like to abort my neighbor.
If that doesn’t work, retry and eventually ignore.
So far that record is 1/0 for can’t gestate/ got abortion
Something to do with things that mostly come out at night
… mostly.
so… women?
traaaaaaaaaannnnnnns
Meanwhile in America red state boarder towns (boarder to blue or another country.) are making laws to stop every women traveling towards an abortion state.
https://abc13.com/texas-abortion-law-highways-new-battleground-in-care-what-is-the/13740276/
That’s right, straight up Handmaid’s Tale shit!
“Under his eye.”
Would love if the federal govt just removes roads and highway funding to states that allow or do not stop this from occurring. The federal interstate program should be just that.
I’m aware of the recent developments in that regard, jfc the whole thing is so fucked up. That and the human trafficking of immigrants to other states. What the fuck is wrong with those states?
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How would they even know?
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Makes sense. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt is their modus operandi.
Now we’re gonna pay for the wall to keep us in!
The technical term is ‘Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart’.
Wow, Mexican women have more rights than American women. Plus they also have universal healthcare.
Unfortunately that healthcare is shitty and way over capacity. But still, at least we have something we can improve, instead of just nothing at all.
Can you describe that? I feel like everyone says that about Canada, Europe, etc. But when I try to nail down what they are afraid of, they are like, “if I need a knee surgery I want it NOW! That could take months in Canada!”
Is it like that, or are there like actual life threatening problems being unaddressed?
Some of the most recent examples: recently there has been a critical shortage of psychiatric medicines. Lots of people didn’t have access to their antidepressants, antipsychotics, and lots of other medicines you can’t skip without disastrous effects. While I don’t use public health care, I still had trouble finding some of my prescriptions. The equipment and buildings are in disrepair, because of lack of funding and corruption. This year there was a scandal because a girl died crushed by a elevator in a clinic. Then they found lots of corruption with the company that installed the elevators. Some weird things have happened, for example, a woman went for abdominal pain and when she woke up, the doctors had amputated both of her legs. Also, it’s common that women deliver their babies outside the hospital because it is over capacity. Etc, etc…
i can confirm the medicine shortage, not just in psychatric recently, but in other pharma fields, along the years.
our Latin American brothers and sisters in Spain were doing their best to send medicines to their families in LATAM. you could also see people asking on Twitter for medicines. iirc it was commented on the news too.
here in Spain we also have public healthcare, and we all people pay for those medicines so individuals don’t have to assume all the cost on their own. pandemic has shown our healthcare system is not as good, public and clean as our corrupt politicians tend to say, but still, we think public healthcare is the way to go.
in Spain abortion is legal since many years, but a year ago or so, in a region of Spain, a extreme right-wing party wanted to create a regional law to make women asking for abortion feel guilty.
medicians would be obligated to ask women “before aborting, would you want to listen to your baby’s heartbeat, or that we take a 4D radiography of them?”.
the women could refuse, but the medicians would be obligated to ask. this extreme right-wing party tried to push this regional law proposal in an attempt to push antiabortion agenda bypassing the national abortion law.
this right-wing party wanted to make women feel guilty of their abort decision, as if many many women hadn’t had enough guilt, doubt and sadness when asking for abortion bc they aren’t in the position of having a baby (see our emancipation, salary and unemployment rates), or they weren’t even in a position of conceiving in first place (rape, mental suffering, codependency, drug abuse, etc.). this political party wanted to take advantage on these women’s situation of vulnerability. that’s horrible.
(also in that region, big part of medicians and population overall were known of being right-wing and sexist. that’s how this right-wing party got power to propose this law).
fortunately, it seems we have progressed, to the point many medicians were the most angry at this, and them, along with feminists (many are both), and citizens in general didn’t allow this law to happen in this region of Spain.
but sorry for digressing, the main point is that many people in Spain are very happy for Mexico. we wish you the best. we hope our LATAM siblings get the progress and independence they wish and deserve. we are on it too here. let’s do this 💪
And yet still, it’s at least there. And it’s being improved time over time. Mexico today is leaps and bounds ahead of Mexico 20 years ago. I know, I’ve lived here for 20 years. People here at least care
In Canada, yes stuff like joint surgeries can take a little longer to queue… But I have never actually known anyone to die on a waitlist and the turn around for things like cancer is pretty short.
The trade off is stuff like there was a friend’s Dad that needed an emergency medical transfer from a smaller rural hospital. They did it by helicopter ambulance and he spent just shy of three months in hospital in intensive care. He didn’t have any additional medical insurance but his family never needed pay for anything. Furthermore the hospital contracted with a hotel near by so his family could stay in a nice place walking distance to the hospital for around 20 bucks a night.
We as a country have a very small population, about the population of the state of California spread over more land mass than the entirety of the US and then some. There are challenges with that and the fact our dollar is weaker so it’s overall less lucrative, but the turn around regarding knee surgeries make a lot of sense once you realize that. Changing our system to a pay-per-play would not necessarily alleviate the wait times.
The land of the free.
Freedom isn’t free, it costs folks like you and me…
Buck O five
Ah.
So white ladies are going to start fleeing across the border to get abortions that they can’t get in the States.
Conservatives really ARE trying to bring us back to the 1950s, aren’t they?
Let them bring back the 1950s tax rate first
I mean, that’s kind of their whole shtick lol
tfw Mexico becomes more desirable than the USA in the future
Some states in Mexico than some states in the USA quite possibly.
Fuck I should’ve learned Spanish
I should have taken my Spanish class more seriously, too.
That always was a great example of the education system was failing in the U.S. So many people I know spending 1-3 years of school having to take a foreign language, yet most of them didn’t learn the language to a degree that was usable anywhere. We never took it seriously and no one made us. If a person tries to learn a language over the course of school year and has 20+ others in that class also trying to learn the same language, it should have been easy to learn. We had people to practice with.
Lo siento pinch
See, I don’t know if I should be saying thank you or fuck you right now
I’m an ass so I’ll take any sort of Comms right now :)
… wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter,
It’s amazing how many times online and on TV I hear people phrase things just like this.
No one is just calling “X”, X.
Xitter.
This is great, considering in Chinese Xi sounds like shi
Precisely correct. Not sure Elmo really thought it through.
I’ve been interpreting it like “the artist formerly known as Prince”
It’s like when Prince became “the artist formerly known as Prince”…
“The artist formerly known as Twitter”
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In that case it’s because he chose an unpronounceable symbol as his name. X is just stupid.
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Just call it twitter. Lonnie doesn’t respect name changes for Trans people. Don’t respect his company’s name change.
Mexico to reap millions on US abortion tourists.
It’d be fun to keep a tracker of how many conservatives clutch their pearls with this decision and then go vacation in Mexico on the beach. Remember, your taxes being used for abortions is evil, but willingly spending your money in Mexico and paying for abortions there is a-okay!
Lmao while you’re at it, maybe Mexico is playing 4D chess and abortions become a source of income as a tourist service
#/s
All the ignorant [American] ass wipes that bemoan and slander Mexico: They’re more progressive than the USA. I know that scares the republican snowflakes. I’m glad women’s rights matter more in some areas. It should have always been about all human rights, but I’ll stop being nieve now.
When God closes a door, he opens a window.
You ladies ever been to Mexico?
“you boys like MexICOO?! Whooooooo!”
Does burn out donut, in cop car
Seems like big government overreach. Next thing you know they’ll be forcing everybody to have an abortion. That’s probably why so many people are fleeing that country to come here where we have the freedom to let states decide.
This is a parody account, I take it? Poe’s Law strikes again.
Why would a state - any state - have anything to do with letting a woman control her body?
Because bodily autonomy is a complete farce? Society can force conscious action and everyone cheers and thinks it’s grand (because it is), but saying that you can’t take certain actions is abominable merely because it has a slightly different psychological effect.
Controlling people’s actions is literally a core function of society. Taxation, or even contracts are all vastly more extreme violations of bodily autonomy than a state simply prohibiting a conscious choice.
Not sure about the anatomy (though I can agree that some of it is rather funny, when you think about it), but the ability to control your own body is, as I see it, one of the core liberties that can never be taken away from an able person. The ethics of “supporting” people with some mental disabilities is much more convoluted, I do not have a strong opinion there.
Would be curious to see how you do your tax returns if that violates your anatomy!
“Autonomy” not “anatomy”, very different things.
“I’m curious to see how you do your taxes if that violates your autonomy”
Easy, as I pretty clearly laid out violating autonomy is a requirement of society. Social norms require forcing people to engage in certain actions or face punishment (either literal imprisonment or social repercussions like faced by rude people.) If this is permissible, then why is merely prohibiting certain actions to be considered an unacceptable violation of bodily autonomy? Prohibiting something is no where near as severe as forcing someone to do something.
Ultimately nobody actually cares about bodily autonomy, it is simply a post hoc attempt at justifying that people ascribe moral value based solely on how they personally feel.
(A good example of this is forced blood donation, everyone apparently thinks it’s somehow reprehensible (on principle not by making medical risk arguments) even though it is only temporary harm and arguably less harmful than income tax).
That said, I do my taxes just fine, even though the state violates my bodily autonomy by forcing me to do them.
FYI, when people talk about a right to bodily autonomy they aren’t saying you aren’t allowed to mind-control people, they are saying you aren’t allowed to coerce someone since all norms and laws are enforced by coercion rather than rendering people physically incapable of violating the norms.
Oh, my bad, apologies. Scan reading sometimes leads to mistakes like that, and that one was too funny for my brain to let go.
But now it makes even less sense to me with the body thing. I would never accept someone else forcing me to do (or not do) something with my own body - and i see no reason whatsoever for anyone to accept that.
There is an issue of vaccination where some enforcement is justifiable, as there is a true risk for other people in you not doing it. How does someone’s decision of not having a child threatens you?
Any and all restrictions or instructions should be based on a rational argument, otherwise it is just a limitation of your freedom.
And given that the argument in favor of imposing the limitations in question lies in the area of someone else’s beliefs - that becomes even more ridiculous.
On the taxes side - there i can see a strong argument for it in principle, as it allows the society as a whole to do better. You want to use infrastructure built by society - you pay. Now, there is a whole other problem of how exactly the monies collected on the basis of a rational idea are spent. Holding the people in charge accountable is truly a big issue, not for this thread though.
“How does someone not having a child threaten you”
A serial killer that only targets blondes doesn’t pose any threat to me at all. I might even personally benefit from their actions. Why do I still want them to be stopped?
“I see no reason whatsoever to accept that”
But you already do. You even give vaccination as an example where it would be permitted.
You are perfectly fine with one bodily autonomy violation to save lives (vaccination), but are against another (weaker form) violation that also saves lives.
The logical resolution to this is to say that prohibiting abortion doesn’t save lives (i.e the fetus has no moral value or atleast insufficient moral value to outweigh personal feelings). But this renders the bodily autonomy argument worthless, because it is now the moral status of the fetus that matters not any idea of bodily autonomy. This pretty much establishes why I think the right to bodily autonomy is not actually accepted by anyone.
“Any and all restrictions and instructions should be based on rational arguments”
There is tons of academic papers on the immorality of abortion, of course there are tons that argue in the opposite of direction. I would consider most on both sides to have somewhat rational arguments it just depends on what premises you want to accept as true. I find the premises behind permitting abortion to be bit more far-fetched, things like mind-body dualism or continuity of mind as somehow granting greater moral value to be unsupported or impractical.
Blondes are people, fetuses are not - that is my view. Moral arguments can form opinions, not legislation.It is ok for you to hate me if you choose to do so, it however does not grant you a right to stop me doing my immoral in your view thing. That is, unless my immoral thing infringes your rights, then we can talk and see what can be done.
As mentioned, I am always keen to accept a rational argument (as in vaccination, where there is science behind), so can i please politely ask you to point me in the direction of academic studies on the immorality of abortion? Never saw one, so forgive my ignorance.
Because not letting the state choose means the federal government is telling the state what to do and that’s big government overreach
There is a world outside the US, as they say… Regardless, why would a federal government enforce the control of someone’s body? There are in general 2 people involved in this, and they should be the only ones responsible for this type of decisions. Not a state, not feds.
“They should”- Very serious moral claim there.
If we are talking about 2 consenting adults - yep, this is my take on it, only these 2 are in charge, until the baby is born. Afterwards there must be some protection for the baby, so there is a role for a government. It was not always like that, but that is how, I think, it should be at this stage of society’s evolution. Another moral claim, I know. )
How very authoritarian of you, shrew…
