I am in dire need of a true Linux Phone
Bring back the Nokia N900!
A nice sentiment but in reality the n900 and n9 were both too slow to use. That’s the first thing that would have to be fixed.
I did alright with mine. I figure a modern one would have modern hardware in it. People forget how dire the performance on the first couple of iPhone generations was, too. The N900’s contemporary was the iPhone 3GS, I think, which was an objectively terrible device in every metric except sales.
Oh, and the N900’s inbuilt phone dialer was also kind of ass. But I found its performance more than acceptable, and it could run full fat Firefox including the Flash plugin, which was still a big deal at the time, whereas its competitors could barely render a web page.
The 3GS was fine for me and much more response and useful than my previous phone, which happened to ba a Nokia N75.
I developed early web apps (and frontends for native apps) for iPhone and Android around the time the Nexus One launched. If you spent any time using both, the iPhone was a better phone even though the hardware specs didn’t suggest it, I used the 3GS until upgrading to the iPhone 5S. My wife was on an earlier schedule and went 3G, 4, 5C, and we still play old games on her 5C around Halloween with our kid now 12 years later.
Hmm I didn’t use early (or later) iphones, so idk. In that era I had a Nokia N63 (sort of a Blackberry knockoff) which was really nice. I had an N900 but rarely used it. Later I got an N9 and used it mostly because my N63 crapped out. But the N9 was also near unusable. I finally broke down and got an Android phone in 2017 or so (Moto G4, cheap and obsolete even then) and it was lightning fast by comparison.
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Really gotta get rid of those.
The phone running FuriOS seems neat.
I was really rooting for Ubuntu Mobile and Firefox OS. Sadly barely any manufacturers offered it stock, so classic henn and egg problem.
Don’t forget rock solid app gets an unexpected update 3 years later and now is jammed with ads and offers an ad free subscription at $14/week
Yeah app purchases sure went to shit, didn’t they? Sorry turns out buying an app one time for a small fee isn’t good enough, we need you to buy it again every month.
And the apps that do have lifetime licenses went from $5 to like $80
Dude fuck that noise.
I bought a lifetime copy of hex edit like 30 years ago. 20 years later I needed something and the dude answered and sent me a new code.
Fucking rock on hex edit brother!!!
I’m glad I heard of Discord’s plan to add ads to their Android app beforehand so I had the chance to disable updates. It’s annoying that Android keeps reminding me there’s an update available, but it’s less annoying than ads.
Blocking basically all ads on your phone is trivially easy.
- Find “Private DNS” (or something similar) in your settings
- Set it to dns.adguard-dns.com
And that’s really it. There are other ad-blocking dns providers out there, and they all use slightly different block lists. I like adguard because their blocklist is less aggressive than others I’ve tried, and I’d rather an ad or two get through than for something legitimate to stop working.
You can also set it up as your dns provider in your router to block ads on your entire network. People tend to like to self-host adguard or pihole for that, but as long as you don’t care about a dashboard or manual dns entries, using a free dns is as easy as it gets and is very effective. I self-host as a hobby and I still just use adguard’s public dns.
Also TrackerControl FOSS app that filters ads on your phone directly. Can enable/disable different stuff per-app. Must have no proxy/dns to work.
An in-app-purchase screen would have been a great fit.
CyanogenMod, how I loved thee
The golden age of custom ROMs was truly a technological Renaissance. Magical time.
Damn such good days. My phone is a trash can these days.
Is LineageOS not good? I thought that was forked from Cyanogen?
They had to throw out lots of customization options, because Google made a ton of changes to Android/AOSP and it wasn’t compatible anymore.
Like, LineageOS is still a more feature-rich and cleaner OS than what comes preinstalled on most phones. But yeah, even relatively simple stuff like setting a system font never got a real replacement.
No idea, if it is still easily possible to implement that. You can fake it by replacing the Roboto font file with a different font, but you get weird font issues in various apps then.
i cant wait for mobile Linux to be ready, I will switch in a heartbeat.
Pinephone exists now, you can buy it today. It runs Linux.
Calls/SMS do work although are not 100% so if you absolutely need these to be reliable you could get a brick phone for like £15 to cover that and then use the Pinephone as a pocket computer. I used it as my only phone for a couple of years and it was mostly fine, now it doesn’t have a SIM in it and its perfect as a pocket PC.
Follow pine64 news, they stopped producing new pinephones since they arent in demand enough
I thought that was just the pro?
the pro was discontinued but the base model is only going to be produced for another 2 years. Hopefully they release a next generation model but if they are toning down upper end models then I’m not convinced.
Mine has postmarketOS on it, probably should update sometime.
One thing I would like is decent offline maps with good performance, don’t even care of it supports GPS or not. Pinephone has no SIM in it these days and that sits in a CatB40.
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It wasn’t due to surplus, they said in the release that it was a didn’t sell enough units(the pro). And the current pinephone is only going to be produced another 2 or so years, they havent mentioned any plans that I saw of a model after that.
If calls/SMS are not 100% then it’s not a phone
That is where the dumb phone comes in which only deals with calls/SMS.
If you have to buy a dumb phone for your smartphone then you did not buy a smartphone, is my point
If you can’t even install software on it then its not an overly smartphone.
Pinephone battery usage (with postmarketOS) is atrocious. I bought one and it’s been collecting dust in a drawer ever since the first 3-4 times the battery drained from 100 to 0 within 24 hours on stand-by. :( My fastest wasted 700ish EUR ever.
How so much? Mine was about £200 after delivery and import taxes. Still my most expensive phone but the best computer I have ever put in my pocket.
Shame that calls/SMS are not perfect, but I have since for a dumb phone for that so the SIM sits in that instead.
it’s been 3 years or so but I may have bought a pinephone pro because the simple one was out of stock? Plus convergence package, plus shipping, plus outrageous money transfer fees - German banks are basically thieves when it comes to international transfers outside the EU.
Permanently connect it to a power bank?
- great use case for a mobile device /s
- lithium ion batteries are really nothing to feel comfortable around
- wasting energy is wasting energy
So - no, it’s now expensive electronic scrap, sadly. While my shiftphone easily lasts 24 hours with regular use and 3+ days on standby.
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Wasn’t Ubuntu phone a thing?
Ubuntu touch is a thing, But the only platform it’s running properly on is halium, which is basically an Android core and bootloader that virtualizes the OS.
It works, and it has pretty good battery life, but it’s not really Linux on the phone, they’re using Android drivers under the hood.
The real Linux distributions that exist that are running on metal don’t have all the drivers worked out yet for modem and VOLTE, But those are close, i’m not worried about that, But I am worried about is the average of 6 hours of battery life on a 3500 mah battery. Android has battery life down to a science. Those apps just become snapshots and disappear into the background and restore like nothing happened when you need them again.
I started diving into this one Android started showing their ass a couple of months ago. If you want to use hallium, You might be able to daily drive it if you don’t have high expectations, The guy I was following that tested it out so that helium / touch was so lockdown that he couldn’t even install unsanctioned apps from the terminal because the VM would brick itself.
I can deal with not running most phone apps, But I really don’t feel like moving from one lockdown OS to another just for the hell of it. If Google pulls this s*** I will get out at the first available stop.
I’ve been hearing about this for 10+ years now. I vaguely remember testing a prototype that could only load an os. That was it
it was almost a thing but the kickstarter failed (despite huge interest). Ubuntu touch is a thing but its not really suitable.
Sailfish exists: https://sailfishos.org/
ive looked at that, but its really more an issue of phones not using generic hardware and therefore needing to be entirely reverse-engineered before they can have all of their features used, and by the time thats done they’re too old.
Saw someone else mention sailfish! There is also PostmarketOS I’ve recently seen footage of it running on a OnePlus phone and it looks way more stable than I’d expected!!
Edit= apparently just 2 oneplus phones and sparse other phones are supported, and stability varies per device =/ you can check here to see if your phone’s supported!
It won’t happen due to voice over lte.
Why is this a problem?
Voice over l t e is not standardized and the carriers on the I p to connect to their system. So every carrier has an encrypted blob that only works with whatever version of phone they want to sell. If you have a major phone like an iPhone or a pixel, then apple and Google work to make sure that those seemlessly download.But if you’re any other brand you’re kind of screwed. Even Samsung has issues since I can’t use the Play Store to distribute it in their own app.Store doesn’t have good support from the carriers. The carriers really push that only the phones are purchased from them work. Spokennoise, they also pushed it unsecured.Devices need to be wiped, including them voiceover Lte data.
Look at the issues with australian service right now , they are even trying to stop iphones from other countries from using it. Apple has a whole system to make sure that all phones work with the same voice over lte stuff following the bands match and auto download the blobs.
AOSP
Android Open Source Project
look inside
not open source
mfw
You can still use AOSP to make your own phone, but you’ll just have to built your own apps too, since eventually, all of google play apps aren’t gonna work on degoogled Android.
you’ll just have to built your own apps too
We are well on our way.
I was confused before I made the switch. So many of the most useful kinds of apps weren’t maintained anymore by anyone on the Google Play store. I had this surreal feeling that the app ecosystem was getting worse every year.
And then I installed F-Droid and figured out where all of my favorite app developers went. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Not a big deal, considering that FOSSIFY project offers all the basics you’d need for a degoogled phone: call app, messaging, contacts, calculator, calendar, gallery, etc. F-droid also has a good selection of apps, though most people, me included, will still need whatsapp one way or another. At least that thing doesn’t need any of Google’s “essential” apps.
iOS jailbreaking used to be incredible too.
I guess it might still be for those who slipped into the “window” to do it, but I have no clue what Cydia looks like these days.
Cydia is practically dead, replaced by Sileo or Zebra, and most tweaks are paid now.
I miss when people did stuff for a hobby or for fun. Literally everything wants your money these days it seems.
It’s not like everything (or rather every dev) necessarily wants your money. We’re forced to monetize even our hobbies in an attempt to live a worthwhile life. It’s a cancerous system infecting everything and everyone.
To develop great FOSS software without the need of monetization is an enormous privilege.
No, you’re absolutely right.
I am more angry at the system than at the hobbyists. I apologize for coming off like that.
Doesn’t help that Apple wants €100/year + a supported Mac (average €100/year for the hw upgrade treadmill)
Oh that sucks. It’s par for iOS though.
Yeah, me too. So what if apps were simpler than they are now… that would be nice.
It truly was a great time when the scene was really bumping. Maybe one day we’ll pendulum swing back to something along that peak jailbreak scene.
Maybe…
I feel like iPhones had a sweet spot between the 4 and the… I dunno. A few generations after that? Where jailbreaking was rampant and incredible, and the phones are basically like the 16 now.
Then Android had a ‘sweet spot’ after that. Their quality and UI fluidity really caught up, to the point where my old Razer Phone 2 (SD845) still feels faster than an iPhone 16.
After that… well, I dunno where to go :(. Feels like both platforms are locking down.
You made me wonder if there could ever be an avenue for Apple to support this, especially with Google just getting worse and worse with android.
Apple makes a ton of money on just hardware sales. Imagine if the next iPhone had an option that would delete iOS, possibly blow some kind of security fuse in the CPU that voids your warranty (because they still have to be dicks), and reboot into an unlocked bootloader. They could boost sales and be even shittier to Google by rolling their own distro of Linux/Android/BSD for the phones with solid drivers for everything.
That veered off into fantasy land immediately, since that is not how Apple does things. And they do have services to sell too. But even if they only enabled open access on older models it could move a ton of units. Interesting to imagine.
Capitalism will never give you nice things. Sorry.
Oof, now that is some stinging truth right there.
At least I had my moment to dream about it yesterday.
I think world peace is more realistic than that
would be nice
Omay, but, and hear me out on this: what if we added microtransactions to your email app and keyboard app?
Ahem. My HTC 7 came with malware in the keyboard, baked in as an unremovable system app!
And if you oay, it’s not private.
I held onto jailbreaking till the end. I have a iPhone on iOS 17.0 and TrollStore for permanent sideloaded apps. It’s pretty awesome! There hasn’t been anything like a jailbreak or TrollStore since then. I wish I had bought an iPhone 15 on iOS 17.0 at launch so I could hold onto this as long as possible. Having a lower end iPhone I’ll probably need an upgrade in the next year or so.
You can get a similar experience to TrollStore by paying for an Apple developer account or a third-party signing service that abuses Apple developer accounts. It seems android users may have to do a similar thing in a few years.
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Because the default commercial software is trash.
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Tale as old as time.
No. No it’s not that. The politics of silicon valley are turning fast, and not in good directions.
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Oh its very cool. Have you seen palantir’s
Oh. You meant cool for you. No. Jo they have not
Pfft… We’re the ones who are just going to find the exploit in the new walled garden anyway. #GreenJailbreak
It’s happening, I’m finally getting nostalgic from tech memes. The days on xda forums and IRC. Thankfully IRC is still alive. Xda seems to be dying to telegram and Google’s enshittification
Mmm yes incomplete ROMs with a ton of self-congratulatory posting
ROMS have (almost) always been incomplete works. They have always been sideprojects, by tech enthusiasts that wanted to learn. They just happen to share those projects to any who would be interested, with no warranty.
I am very happy on GrapheneOS. Even in terms of flashing it was much nicer experience than what you had to go through back in the days
I remember this “don’t be evil” slogan. But what was it from?
It was Google’s.
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I just hate that so much. The openness was one of the two reasons why I got an android phone. The other one being the price.
As gross as Google’s endless enshittification is, I blame the consumers for most of it. People vote with their wallets and they’ve been voting for the locked up walled garden crap option for the past two decades, especially in the US, where there is literally a culture of “ew, you have a green message bubble!” and chasing a status symbol is way more important than things like actual ownership over your devices, digital freedom and customization. And funnily enough, Google’s hardware sales have started increasing steadily since they’ve started copying Apple’s shitty model.
Ah yes, I too blame the overworked and underpaid population that were never given a real education besides a dysfunctional and authoritarian public school system which contains at least 50% pro-status-quo propaganda and omit real useful information, and teaches kids to obey teachers and the school admin, and subjugate their free will. /s
“I get in line to buy shit phones because I’m oppressed, overworked and underpaid”. Alright. Hopefully the corporate overlords will do something about it, then.
When did you last see a queue for a new phone?
Doesn’t work that way. We should stop attacking each other and start attacking the people actually responsible for this nonsense. Apple both was the first for gluing the phone together and removing the headphone port. Every other device manufacturer follows suit such that people cannot choose. Samsung was publicly mocking Apple for locking the bootloader and guess what? Which Samsung phone can now freely install any operating system? That’s right, none of the more modern ones.
Only the new battery initiative from the EU which forces manufacturers to make batteries normally replaceable again, will change that in 2027. Short version is, if there isn’t any sort of bigger power forcing them to do something, they will refuse to, as long as screwing you makes more money. And in most cases, it does.
It works exactly that way. The reason other manufacturers follow suit when Apple does something stupid or anti-consumer is because people buy Apple regardless. When Samsung, as a corporation, see that their main competitor has cut costs by taking out features, and it’s still leading the market, there is absolutely no reason for them to not eventually do the same.
Everyone who’s replied to me so far conveniently talks about what they can do today while ignoring that my comment is about how we got here over the past two decades. Yes, it’s true that people don’t really queue for phones anymore, and it’s true that we don’t have other options now. But when we did have the options, people still preferred eating up the crap one with gusto, and usually for very shallow reasons. If you’re one of the few who didn’t, then you have no reason to feel called out by my comment.
Regulation like in the EU still requires people to vote politically for representatives that take these things into consideration, which again, clearly isn’t something that happens in the US. No “bigger power” is going to simply come out of nowhere to protect the consumers’ interests if the consumers themselves don’t give a shit about their own rights in the first place.
I understand that it’s a sad and tough reality to accept, but no amount of screaming at corpos on Lemmy or Reddit is going to undo the damage. And installing GrapheneOS on a Pixel is not the moral flex people here think it is.
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so apple fixed the battery life thing? i knew macbooks have insane battery life, but i thought iphones still couldn’t do 2 days which i think is the line between shitty and ok. anyway samsungs could never and still can’t do more than 2 days in my hands, but I’ve been amazed that my p8p with graphene can easily get 4 days (I’m a pretty light user).
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Lmao, yeah, batteries have improved quite substantially for all phones in the last 14 years. Unless you want removable batteries, then everything is worse now.
There’s so much bullshit with smartphones now that make them a pain to use, I’m honestly considering at this point to just get a flipphone and buy separate devices for the things it can do. Get a camera, MP3 player, and portable DVD player and live life the way people did 20 years ago.
😢 AOKP was king. I miss all the extra silly features they packed in. You could make it look almost nothing like Android by the time you were done.
YES! I was talking with someone recently about this ROM. I couldn’t remember what it was called, but I had decked out my phone on a fully wild unicorn theme based on it lmao.
