The student’s mother was sentenced to nearly four years in prison for child neglect and federal weapons charges.
You are responsible for your child. Until they are 18, they are an extension of you. You programmed them. No excuses.
I sense that “child neglect” and “federal weapons” chargess mean there was at least one gun fast and loose and loaded in the house. That sounds like a powder keg waiting to explode in any case.
Yeah; a 6 year old will play with anything they get their hands on, you sure as hell don’t leave a gun where they can get it. Especially with ammunition available…
I suspect that’s what the gun charges are for. Proper gun etiquette is not to keep the damn thing loaded.
The Wikipedia article about this case suggests the kid knew what the gun was. He threatened to shoot another student, and probably shot the teacher intentionally. This isn’t just a case of a kid randomly playing with a gun.
Of course he’s not criminally responsible for that because he’s six, but he probably needs an intensive intervention to make sure he doesn’t turn into a monster.
Yeah, those parents def fucked them up bad…
This doesn’t jive with my life experience at all. If my family could have “programmed” me, I would have turned out very differently. Also all my siblings are wildly different people.
The development of living beings is a messy process and there are significant uncontrollable elements.
Sure but neglected child is always going to turn out worse than one that was properly loved and taken care of. You can’t just go oh well child psychology is complicated, so let’s just ignore the parents responsibilities.
Is leaving your gun lying around where a 6 year old can acquire and use it to shoot someone one of those sinifificant uncontrollable elements?
No, because the existence of some uncontrollable elements doesn’t erase all the controllable elements.
This woman did something very wrong and controllable, which is why she’s in prison.
Nothing fits into a perfect box, but if you breed you are responsible for the outcome until 18 regardless. If you think your kid might shoot someone… it’s your job to prevent that.
Not everyone is qualified to be a parent.
A six year old is very unlikely to fully grasp what they are doing, and a parent wouldn’t necessarily “think their kid might shoot someone”.
Yes I agree. However, a six-year-old child does not randomly get the idea to take a gun to school and shoot a teacher. They get it from somewhere. They may not fully understand, but that doesn’t matter. I’m just happy that parent is in jail. I hope they do not get released early, and I hope they do not ever get to be that child guardian again
“Breed”
Getting a clearer picture now.
Do you? Or do you just want to feel a certain way?
Nobody knows how parenthood will turn out, my friend. Nobody is qualified to decide who is qualified… Good.
I agree. And if it ends up that you weren’t qualified, that might be a jail sentence. Good.
I guess it depends on the household. I could say my mom did a great job at educating us. My siblings, mom, and I hold very similar values.
“You programmed them”?
Really? That’s an extremely naive take.
No, you just strongly agree because you’re obsessed with babies.
If it was her gun (which it was), yeah this makes sense. If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something? idk its a wild world.
If the gun was instead found in a trash can or something?
That’s what a jurry would consider after both sides have made their case.
I guess this is my sign to start dumpster diving
If one is to reach for the most unlikely thing to happen to base their opinion on, then I suppose that you have a point.
If you want to be pedantic, I suppose “got the gun from another kid” is more reasonable?
If the case was that this kid got the gun from another kid Who got the gun from home: The kid who pulled the trigger, and the weapons dealer, all of their parents should be put in jail. All of their parents Should not be able to be guardians of another child in the future.
It is always the parents’s fault.
This seems overly knee jerky. So if good parents have a kid who shoots a teacher, with a gun that came from another kid at school, those good parents should go to jail?
You realize six isn’t old enough to know what they are truly doing. They don’t grasp life vs death, they would likely not even see “shooting the teacher” as anything more than play before they did it. It’s exactly for this reason that we don’t hold children accountable in the same way we do adults.
Are there outliers? Absolutely. But to just make a blanket statement that every adult involved should go to jail is an extreme I just can’t agree with.
Please teach your children that if another child hands them a firearm in school, to not take that firearm and deliberately shoot the teacher. I think that’s parenting 101
I am perfectly fine with the child being put in jail, but I think you would probably disagree with that.
Yes, I realize that six is not old enough to know what they are truly doing… But that does not excuse the parents. That’s the whole thing I’m saying. This is my opinion. There are zero things you can do to change my mind. It is perfectly fine that you disagree with my opinion, I don’t disrespect you for not sharing my opinion.
My dude, if you think telling a kid not to do something means they won’t do it, you’re obviously not a parent.
You can’t reasonably assume a kid isn’t going to do something at six. Even if you’ve told them not to do that thing every day of their life. It’s why child locks exist. It’s why kids end up in the hospital every day.
In a perfect world you could just type out on a keyboard “Johnny isn’t allowed to go in the pool area without an adult” and he’d listen. in the real world Johnny wants the ball, and it’ll be real quick, and mommy is busy, and he’s bringing the dog that counts, and oh shit Johnny drowned.
I know a kid who as a teenager beat his mom with his fists, the problem with the “parents are always in control of their kids” idea is its a fantasy. At some point you will end up blaming a victim.
Reasonable precautions should always be made: gun safes, therapy, etc. Kids frequently are smarter or dumber or nicer or meaner than their parents and its always gonna be that way.
I don’t remember anyone saying that parents are always in control of their children? If I am driving a car and I let go of the wheel… It is going to crash.
Please, take some time to come up with another bullshit excuse to justify your feelings
Ah America. Where a six year old can access firearms but not a lunch program.
That’s our school lunch program. Here is a gun, go kill something and eat it.
Man, that’s fucked up
What idiot downvotes this?
Gun companies need to be able to sell their products to anyone without any liability for arming crazy people.
No matter how many people are on either side of the issue, gun manufacturers always win.
And all gun violence is OK as long as there is a payout to someone.
It also outlined how one instance in which Ms Zwerner allegedly told Ms Parker that the child was in a “violent mood” and had made threats against another child.
Ms Parker allegedly “had no response” and refused to “even look up” when concerns about the child were brought to her.
Ms Parker’s lawyer argued that she could not have known what would happen, and that Ms Zwerner has exaggerated the extent of her injuries.
Could not have known? Despite being told the child was making threats to other students?
And exaggerated the extent of her injuries? She was fucking shot by a 6 yo. What’s to exaggerate?
That’s not even close to the worst part. After Zwerner reported his “violent mood,” two other teachers reported to Parker that students were telling them he had a gun… The first searched his backpack and turned up nothing but believed it could have been on his person (they saw him tuck something under his sweatshirt.) Parker’s response was that his pockets were too small to hold a gun. Second teacher had another student report he had flashed them the gun in his pocket. Second teacher wanted to search him, but Parker forbade him because the first teacher had already searched his backpack.
That’s pretty fucking bad…
Good on her. I hope she puts that money to good use. Teachers usually have a good head on their shoulders, from my experience.
Depends on the school. Some teachers shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children
Mine were amazing across the board throughout K-12. That’s why I said in my experience.
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How did the six-year-old get $10m with which to be fined?
Child gets $10M from jury Child proceeds to shoot teacher
RTFA - The suit was against the school district and the assistant principle for failing to do anything after they’d been told that the student may have brought a gun to school.
Wait, the six-year-old was wearing a suit?
