A bombshell new report from CBS News suggests that the Iranian Government has murdered between 12,000 and 20,000 protesters since the ongoing, national revolt against it began.
“Information trickling out of Iran on Tuesday suggests that a crackdown by authorities to end more than two weeks of widespread anti-government protests has likely been far more deadly than activists outside the country have reported,”
CBS is currently beholden to the Nazi’s and I don’t know if I trust their reporting. It would be in the US’ best interest to show Iranian instability as well as how violent “real” protesting is to try and dissuade domestic ideas.
That said. If Iran is murdering 10k citizens a week, their government won’t last through the end of the month. One can only hope.
Agreed.
Need an aljazeera link.Al jazeera is literally the Qatari state media.
So? Is iran controlling Qatar?
Qatar has much better relations with Iran than most Arab states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Qatar_relations
Qatar is a country that try to keep an image of the country who get along with everybody that’s why it has good relation with the two enemies the usa and iran.
Just weird to say “I don’t trust reporting from a state-influenced source. I’ll wait until I hear reporting from media owned by a different state with an even more vested interest.”
Everything is owned by someone. Al Jazeera leans left, and yes they’re a state run media organization, but they’re more factual than not according to ground news. Perhaps the reason Al Jazeera hasn’t published the death toll is because they can’t verify it and their journalistic integrity prevents them from echoing unverifiable rumors.
Exposing yourself to propaganda, if you understand it’s propaganda, is just another piece of data to anyone seriously trying to understand the situation. Propaganda exposes desire. Knowing that Al Jazeera is Qatari state media, one could want to hear what Qatar wants people to think is happening, and compare that to what western media wants you to think is happening, and compare that to other sources etc etc. Comparing propaganda against trusted and vetted sources exposes lies.
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Qatar will be ‘based’ in USA!
Yup. Whatever’s coming out of CBS on topics where Israel has vested interest, there’s a good chance of hasbara. Could still be true but a bucket of salt is recommended.
20,000 soldiers were killed on the first day of the Somme in WWI which involved literally mowing down rows of soldiers with machine gun. We would see plenty of evidence if this was happening to civilians in cities even without internet.
to try and dissuade domestic ideas.
Happening in this very thread 🙄 https://lemmy.zip/comment/23951989
Any unrest in iran right now will be associated with the us and israel, and be ruthlessly crushed for that reason, coming on the heels of israel’s bullshit.
I really, really hope the protesters succeed. Iran has such a glorious history and wonderful people - they deserve so much more. It could retake its place as the shining example of countries in the region, as it was for most of the last 5000 years.
As long as the US doesn’t march in and say “We’ll help you with your oil and write your laws for you.”
At this point I suspect it’s less about wanting the oil under Iran and more about not wanting China to have it.
Or access to Russia for a coming war.
they deserve so much more.
Without the sanctions they already would have so much more.
Not in the cards now I am afraid, only iran war 2 is in this hand.
Do you know that saudi arabia beheads more protestors per capita than Iran? Do you know how many countries in the middleast that don’t even allow any protest or assembly or voting or any political participation? do you know there’s a country in a middleeast that is an actual genocidal settler colonial superamacist aparthied?
Iranian people main suffering happens because of Western sanction because they oppose israel. If the US really gave a fuck about human rights, they should free Palestinians from their genocidal government that slaughtered 100000 of them this year alone. But no, they are aiding israel, and supporting every oppressive murderous absolute dictatorship government in the middleeast that support israel.
Did you know that obesity kills more people than cancer? That’s why we need to stop caring about cancer completely. Someone you know has cancer? Fuck them, because did I mention obesity is worse? We should only think about one thing at a time, and I get to decide what that thing is. Absolutely NOTHING should be done about cancer until not a single human being is obese.
both are bad but the reason they never fight cancer and in fact they’re funding, protecting and spreading cancer to other countries is because there a powerful lobby that bribes US government politicians to fund and protect cancer at any cost, and fight anyone who wants to stop cancer from spreading to other countries.
Not only this, the people you’re talking about were protesting the sickness they got because of the sanctions thay the cancer spreading lobby made againt them, and even sent their spy agents to spread cancer there by shooting and killing and burning people and ambulances and buildings, and then made lies in the media to misguide the real dignosis and call to just bomb and kill everyone there and put in charge a cancer-loving monarch that works with them and would then exploit their resources to them and allow them to spread cancer to the rest of the world.
AP seems to point towards ~2000
Closer to The MEK report of 3k.
CBS News
12,000 and 20,000 protesters
Dawg Pakistan wasn’t even able to arrest that many people in the past 2 years worth of protests against an army with actual firepower that has been working overtime to get people killed.
It even took Gaza a solid month to reach those numbers under constant bombing campaigns and a wall of IFVs.
Iran’s internet has only been complete blackout for 4 days, so unless they decided to unload several war days worth of ammunition in a purge killing spree, this isn’t possible. AP is reporting 2.7k.
News orgs are getting orders from ellison getting orders from the administration. Apparently they do not feel they need people in reality to be on board with iran war 2 so they just supply obviously obscenely inflated figures.
Its atrocity propaganda
2.7k is most likely a big overestimate.
With the Trump admin looking who to attack next around the world I don’t trust any of these numbers.
The regime admitted to 2,000.
And while 12,000 is the highest number I’ve seen so far, it’s got to be somewhere between those figures.
Us media is not credible here either. They are being tooled for iran war 2.
Reminds me of the girl who testified for Kuwait before congress telling all sorts of horror stories about the Iraqi occupation. It turned out she was the daughter of a Kuwaiti official and had made it all up to get the US to get involved.
Israel especially. They need war to forestall elections and accounting for blame that their politicians have refused to accept any of. And to forestall their own criminal prosecutions.
Israel’s epstein blackmail seemingly gives them absolute power over the government here. This is their doing, Iran their long standing boogeyman they pretend is advanced enough to hurt them.
holy shit, that’s awful.
Literally atrocity propaganda.
This is the Iran equivalent of the beheaded babies.
CBS is owned by Larry Ellison and run by Bari Weiss. Zionist fanatics who are Israel first.
Bombshell report is right. This report was literally made to precede bombs.
Western media always gets played by the cia, state department, israel, et al.
There might be protests, they are associated with the west, on issues the west exacerbated the problems of for this purpose, helped in Iran, but also agent provokateurs to stir up violence.
Protesters are pawns, media is a bishop perhaps, in fomenting another iran war. If we can use a chess analogy when one player lacks major pieces.
If you think the us and israel are going to make anything better, it explains how we got into our own political position.
This is the new CBS. Is this true or is it giving Trump what he needs to go in there?
These numbers are bullshit, they exceed even war casualty numbers where artillery and air power are used. Obvious propaganda.
Systematic killings of civilian population is far more “efficient” than shelling. Any genocide will tell you that.
Oi, that’s more then most tiananmen square massacre estimates. Must be crazy to be there right now.
Fucking monsters, I hope the Iranian people string up their opressors.
Who again is sanctioning them?
The elite seem to be doing quite well there.
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That’s exactly why sanctions are not good. Those 2,000 dead were motivated to have a better life that they could already have without the sanctions.
This is what a mass protest would look like in the US.
Tr*mp: “How soon can we do that here?”
Everything doesn’t have to be about the US.
To all those who keep calling for acts of violence in the US I ask: how many will Dementia Donny kill in response?
Look man. Some people are very willing to do everything they can with their life on the line. At some point an end to your life is preferable to the state of oppression.
- Cowardice.
- It’s progranda to manufacture consent for American intervention, they didn’t kill 20k people.
I’m convinced that many of the people calling for violence from the left in response to the administration’s behavior are the same ones that pushed the right into extremism over the past 30 years.
Division and chaos are the intent and they’re playing both sides to achieve their goals. The last thing they want is for people to sit down and talk to each other.
No one on the left has anything to do with the violence that’s a core tenant of fascism and capitalism or corpratism if you want to get real specific. No one is egging the proud boys on, anymore than black folks existing was the cause of KKK bombings and terrorist attacks. These people aren’t responding to anything, this has always been their goal.
I’m convinced that many of the people calling for violence from the left in response to the administration’s behavior are the same ones that pushed the right into extremism over the past 30 years.
Do you believe you have good reasons for thinking so?
I would be interested in seeing you lay out what convinced you. It seems to me that the only thing these calls for violence have in common is just that: they are calls to violence. How can you possibly draw any parallels beyond that without completely minimizing how unprecedented a situation it is we find ourselves in?
Because we do the same thing when we’re trying to mess with other countries. Create division and infighting by playing both sides. Create fear so people won’t act. Goad the extremists into violence. If the people are susceptible to being manipulated, they’ll do all the work for you. You won’t even hardly need boots on the ground.
Putin’s still mad about the collapse of the Soviet union. He would love to see that happen to the US.
Oh yes, blame the rise of fascism on the people whose sole goal it is to stop fascism. Real genius here.
If someone punches you and says shut up or Im gonna punch you even harder, the correct response is not to shut up.
He is not blaming the left.
people calling for violence from the left
That’s not the left
Doesnt really matter who exactly is meant. They are saying theres a group of people who ‘pushed’ the right to extremism. Thats just bullshit. This was the goal from the start and its noone but them pushing it with lies and hate.
Conservatives are not predisposed to end as extremists.
noone but them pushing
Who is them for you? Right extremists?
Not all conservatives are extremists, but those who are were very much predisposed imo. And even if none of them were, they dont end up extremists by being pushed by the left. Sure some of them might use that as an excuse or even believe it themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_conquer
OP is arguing that the billionaires are doing the pushing.
They sure as hell always end up in the extremes no matter where they pretend to begin.
That’s like saying Jews pushed Nazis to commit the Holocaust, or Palestinians pushed Israel to commit the Gaza genocide (Americans do say that…).
Listen to yourself.
Not at all. Please check the other reply.
Yes. They very much are intending to cause harm with every step. I’m old enough to know, they’ve been doing this all my life. The violence didn’t start when you decided it started, it’s been happening a long ass time.
OP is saying that the problem are not so much the right extremists but the billionaires who push left against right.
It abso-fucking-lutely smells like manufactured messaging. Aka propaganda.
