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    Zohran and Kamala are tied for far-left at 37%. How tf? One of these people wanted to tax the rich and one of these people wanted to give tax breaks for private equity to build homes.

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    There is not a single person on this list who could truly be described as left and only one who could even be described as centrist (Mamdani)

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      Who could then be described as left? You know being left of center counts you as left, right?

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        Being left is more than an arbitrary left of center. It means being in opposition to capitalism, imperialism, and reactionary thought in all forms.

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          Yeah but you can somewhat agree with that and not be a full on Marxist. What im trying to imply is that you are victim of a Russian psyop

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            There’s an infinite amount of options opposing capitalism which aren’t Marxism and there’s nothing wrong with Marxism anyway

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            I would sure as hell rather be a marxist than a reactionary, you on the other hand sound like a typical victim of capitalist propaganda

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    lol americans’ political literacy and their overton window are both fucked.

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    It’s interesting how both Mamdani and Collins have such a high “not sure” percentage. For the former, I think it’s because he’s a democratic socialist who reached out to a lot of people who voted for orangeboi to understand why, and actually listened to the shit they didn’t like about Biden and the DNC in general. For the latter, I think it’s because most people think she’s such a fucking idiot - seriously, she’s like one step up from RFK.

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    Biden is a centrist at best. Far left my ass. Our view of the political spectrum is so warped.

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      74% describe Obama, someone that literally wrote a pro-deregulation op-ed in The Wall Street Journal while in office, as left wing.

      This is what people are talking about when they say there’s no left-wing representation in America.

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        I considered him to be solid right when he started his career. His politics is definitely not far right, and it’s leaned more left over time. But I would consider him right, except the far right have gone so off the deep end. We also don’t have like… An anarchist party or any real far left politicians in America.

        That’s most of the reason I said “at best”. He’s much farther right than the right seem to think he is. Everything is messed up here.

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      “Our”…

      You should know that there is a constant in American political geography that 30-35% are crazy people who watch Fox News (or similar) as their only news source. They also believe in new earth creationism, don’t believe in evolution, and believe the end times are near when they will be raptured to heaven.

      You used to talk to these people all the time at school and at work, and you would kinda shrug and be like “weird guy, but he gets his shit done, so whatever”.

      Then you would hear about them online. It became a lot more contentious when you heard all their ideas spelled out all at once, when they could go on long distribes describing exactly what they believed and why. But it was easy to dismiss these ranters and ravers on the forums of old as lone nutjobs - at least if you didn’t run into them regularly.

      But the fact is, they make up 1/3 of the US population, living among us, moving around like ghosts. They’ve learned not to discuss their controversial opinions in public anymore. A large number of them have physically moved to various enclaves where others like them live - gated suburbs, exurbs, rural communuties, etc. Almost all of them have moved to digital enclaves where they can be amongst their own, so we almost never interact with them online unless we seek them out. But they’re still out there, being crazy, doing stupid shit, and voting.

      It’s quite annoying

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        Describes a terrifying situation thst could be ripped straight from the pages of a Stephen King novel .

        its quite annoying.

        Its truly baffling the level of crazy bullshit is just normal now.

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          Its truly baffling the level of crazy bullshit is just normal now.

          I think it is important to remember that this is not “normal now”. These sorts of beliefs were accepted as pretty normal for decades, and for many people in the time before that, were the standard and only beliefs that existed.

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      When you look at the numbers, you can gather that most far left propositions probably come from maga supporters.

      You can derive from that that only 4% of non maga consider Sanders as far left.

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        It’s because they don’t have an understanding of what Marxism or what communism and anarchism actually are.

        Data is beautiful and this chart is probably very accurate, but America’s understanding of and perception of the political spectrum has moved so far to the right that we can’t even fine find the witness marks of where everything should be.

        Label everything communism or socialism and pretend we know what we’re talking about.

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    Note the bias in the chart, putting “not sure” to the right of “centrist.” The whole thing is skewed because of it!

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      “Not sure” should be a separate graph. It makes it look like the perception of people who are less known is not as extreme. The graph should show the opinions of people who have opinions.

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      Agreed. “Not sure” should be the same choice as centrist. Either they should share the center space as the same answer or centrist shouldn’t even be a choice, especially when the survey also lists center right and center left as options.

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      Kamala Harris number makes a gauge for the proportion of maga brainwashed people.

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      The lady touting her “Glock” is considered far left by some people. I’m baffled how those folks navigate daily life. It must be torture to live in a world that’s so completely mysterious and confounding.

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        Stupid and ignorant often don’t hurt the people who are stupid or ignorant. They generally hurt everyone else though.

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    Okay, but what’s the source of the data?? This is some what meaningless without that. Info like that is pretty important. Many people already sharing this without any questions.

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    Putting Cheney on the Left is just wild, I had to check her Wikipedia page and there is absolutely nothing remotely leftist in any of her positions and actions.

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      I was going to bring that up too. I think its because she stood up against Trump, so many Republicans (knowingly or not) probably think she must be left if she doesn’t agree with Trump.

      Basically, if you’re not my kind of republican, you must be a democrat.

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      You are correct that she is a pretty standard neocon in her platform.

      Sadly, it is not even hyperbole to say that: in the US, denouncing Trump while accepting a family member who is gay (having eventually reconciled with her sister Mary,) makes her a super-turbo-leftist as far as most low-information voters are concerned.

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      These opinions arent based on researched facts, but vibes. Those people likely literally only heard of Cheney when she came out in support of Harris. And according to Fox, Harris is far left.

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        The words themselves have been so corrupted we need to just fucking abandon them.

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    The republicans are way more successful in their propaganda. They designate popular people as far left and that is amplified in the media. That doesn’t happen on the other side

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    Makes me sad that so few people know what kind of a ratfuck collins is. She’s a far right plant pretending to be center.