Forever will be microslop. Scaling back doesn’t mean removing. It’s still essentially malware.
According to the headline, all they’re saying is, “we will bother you less (the degree of which, we aren’t clear), and we’ll maybe think about what to do with recall.”
Enjoying Bazzite.
Too late.
Major shit
shift
Oh, yes, I won. I’ve known for months. Microsoft have nothing to do with it anymore.
Three years late but thanks for giving me the push to switch
Prolific cannibal promises to review their choice in seasonings to be more tactful as they continue to feast on PC users’ privacy, freedom and last scraps of digital dignity on a global scale.
I am sure that this empty promise of change has everything to do with their user empathy and absolutely nothing to do with their recent financial results which indicated how hollow their AI-slop-bullshit revenue growth was last quarter.
oh so Windows is good now?
As someone with a foot in Windows and Mac, they both suck for different reasons and you’re trading pain in one for pain in the other.
Windows sucks because of all the stupid one drive and AI garbage. No, I don’t want my desktop and tons of other directories in one drive, stop asking me. The constant migration of settings out of control panel is maddening. Windows 10 end of life is fine, but cutting off older PCs from windows 11 for “reasons” was an absolutely horrible choice.
Mac is fine if you do super basic computing, but if you want to do much of anything it’s very annoying out of the box. Window management is annoying unless you get an app like magnet, the ribbon can’t be displayed on dual monitors and there’s no way of fixing the primary monitor, keyboard shortcuts are inconsistent across applications like command delete and keyboard shortcuts in general suck (command + shift + 3-5), the OS greatly dislikes network storage, etc etc. Macs were somewhat isolated from marketing needing a “new” OS every year until recently. Now they’re in the change for the sake of things to list on the new OS page trap.
Linux isn’t without fault, but my experience has been much more pleasant.
Linux has been the best option for 20 years. At least 10 years even for grandmas.
No.
We didn’t win until I can remove it all from my computer.
We call that Linux here and you can start winning today!
You could have done that anytime. Linux is right there.
I wish I could put Linux on my work computer.
The piece of nuance every one of these threads seems to miss. I have software that literally only runs on windows. What do? Rather than talk about how to make Windows work better, the best you get is jump ship!
They keep claiming that and then proceeding anyways with maybe a short period of backtracking. I’ll believe them when they’ve actually stayed backed off until the end of the ai bs. That said I’m never going back. I switched to Linux over 2 years ago in part because of the initial recall scandal.
Yeah this is what these companies do every time they get some heat. They never actually listen and fix their shit, they just back off and wait a couple of months until people are outraged about something else, then add it back in when they think nobody’s looking. Rinse and repeat until everyone’s too sick of hearing about it/tired of fighting it to continue.
I switched when XP came out. Microsoft started enshitifying then and never stopped.
Same here. Switched to Mint, now on Fedora. I’ve gotten used to the ecosystem and I much prefer it to Windows. Will never go back now.
Why would anyone suddenly trust Microslop? Trust is gone.
It’s amazing that America somehow is destroying trust in itself from so many different directions right now, almost seems like a planned demolition, but I think it’s more of a chaotic tragedy of errors due to horrible judgement. It’s like the whole country got drunk on “American exceptionalism” (ie hubris) over the last 20 years, and here comes the hangover of the century.
america is fine. the problem is the us.
It was absolutely planned, if not expressly planned for destroying trust. Planned for maximizing revenue, minimizing costs, for oppressing and dividing the population to exploit them and prevent a challenge to their corrupt systems, and so forth.
Thinking all of that can be controlled would fall under hubris IMO. The powers have done nothing but stoke resistance and rebellion against their hierarchies, or perhaps I’m just taking the bait…
Reading too much into it. It is simply their self-interest (the wealthy) conflicts with your self-interest. They are just grabbing as much money as they can and creating as many distractions along the way to confuse and obfuscate.
while fucking themselves over in the long term.
they are proverbially pulling the copper from the walls so they can support the system as it is for a bit longer.
I think you over-estimate the wealthy. These aren’t terribly intelligent people, they just have enough money to force what they want. The other commenter is correct, it’s largely just hubris and them believing they’re gods because they had the money things that aren’t terribly complicated but are otherwise out of reach for normal people. Everything they do that’s a trick is only clever to to those who are easily fooled. No one intelligent is confused, they just lack power to do anything especially with so many of the aforementioned fools supporting the rich.
I think this is it.
I think, for example, that a lot of the conspiracy theories that exist around 9/11 being planned from the “inside” are the actual conspiracy that’s meant to mask the fallibility of the ruling class by creating stories about them being all powerful in the wake of a weakening attack.The one complex thing the rich do have the power to control is the stories we’re told. The stories we internalize establish our place in the world and convince us of our rolls. They project a virtual reality of illusions around us, through algorithms and media, because “control is an illusion” is a double entedre.
It’s not the whole country, it’s the perfect storm of the absolute worst people who spent the last few decades working to seize power combined with the death throws of late stage capitalism. The political and economic elite in America (and most other countries) have merged and corrupted each other beyond redemption, but the ultra capitalist systems of the US means there are few if any effective checks to their power. In a properly functioning country the government checks the power of corporations via regulations and laws and in turn is checked by the will of the public but in the US the incessant corporate propaganda has convinced a depressingly large chunk of the population that government regulations are inherently bad and that everything works better when corporations are free to do whatever they want. That combined with the absolutely blatant bribery and corruption in US politics means that corporations control the US government rather than the other way around.
The whole thing worked for a little while while the corporations were at least pretending to somewhat care about consumers and things like anti-monopoly regulations, but now that Trump has shown the government is very loudly and publicly for sale to the highest bidder they’ve all gone mask off and are just doing whatever they want. The problem of course is that they’re also run by morons that either don’t see the cliff they’re all collectively racing towards or just don’t care because they’re planning to bail out with all the profits while the greater US economy burns.
Ultimately this is the sprouting of the seed that was planted back in the 50s from an amalgam of the cold war anti-communism propaganda and the latent racism that was never properly dealt with following the civil war.
True. I guess a lot of it is also the fallout of Citizens United.
The same reason they would any year.
History shows Americans will.
They trusted Microsoft after they were successfully sued by a DoJ (when it used to investigate corruption and monopoloes) for being dicks, but David boies rejected breaking up the company in 2001.
Modern corpo playbook.
- Go too far with something wildly unpopular on purpose
- Everyone complains
- Dial it back slightly
- “We won!”
“we did it, reddit!”
“See? Microsoft DOES care about us!”
The title of the article is very misleading. Microsoft has not said they’ll be removing AI features already deployed on Windows. All it says is they’re reevaluating AI features going forward and streamlining the experience whatever that means. It sounds like they’re looking to rename unpopular unwanted feature like Recall instead of scrapping it. The whole thing is just a PR move to placate the disgruntled masses. Also they said nothing about intrusive ads, telemetry, or rapidly declining stability of overall system. Recent update literally broke windows explorer, task bar and start menu. One thing for certain, Microsoft will not stop using Copilot to develop their software in house. That would be admitting Ai tools are useless and that would sink Microsoft stock even further than it already has.
One thing for certain, Microsoft will not stop using Copilot to develop their software in house.
You’re wrong, but I think you’ll be OK with that because the reality of the situation is actually hilarious:
https://www.theverge.com/tech/865689/microsoft-claude-code-anthropic-partnership-notepad
“Turns out Copilot sucks so let’s just use our competitor’s superior product but that’s no reason we can’t keep foisting the inferior garbage on the masses!”
Honestly it’s good engineering practice to not be stuck in your own product.
You want them to be using only copilot?
It’s called dogfooding and it’s what you’re supposed to do to improve your product.
It will continue to dominate the market (along with apple) as long as it is the default OS on new pcs.
might be, but fortunately switching to and getting used to linux is so easy nowadays.
no matter how easy it is, so many people have locked themselves in into delusions that its hardest thing ever, be it based on truthful experiences or not.
I won when I ditched windows.
Yeah, it a temporary measure due to people leaving. Microsoft will not change. Linux is far better
I have one gaming PC and it’s on windows 10 till kike October or so of this year when security updates go away. Waiting to see if steam OS ifficially drops for PC so I don’t have to switch OS more than once. Already have it running on and processor and GPU for an easy Linux switch, and been running Linux on my laptop for a while now.
Watch your mouth, buddy!
Lol. All sorts of typos. I should proofread.
When I started using Linux in 2009 it had around 0.6 percent market share on desktop. Windows had 95%.
Today Windows is measured below 68%, and Linux has been measured above 4% by statcounter.com.
These things move faster the more people make the change. Linux only reached 1% in 2013, 2% in 2021, 3% in 2023, and 4% was somehow first measured already in 2024. For every single person making the switch it becomes easier for others to do the same, and companies consider Linux support to be a little bit more important. One can only wonder at which percentage of market share it will be offered as a mainstream alternative when buying a new computer, but it seems pretty clear that we’re getting there.
I guess my point is that we all won when you ditched Windows. Thanks for that.
10% market share is when I expect it to be impossible to ignore and I think we’re gonna get there fast like you alluded to.
But…mainly for games. The corporate crowd will stay on Windows because they benefit from propping up other corporations. PC/laptop manufacturers will still push Windows for the same reason
PC/laptop manufacturers will still push Windows
it will eventually hit a wall because of this. most people can only conceive of using whatever came with the computer.
The corporate crowd will stay on Windows because they benefit from propping up other corporations.
I wouldn’t be so sure. An interesting indicator of the shift that many of you wouldn’t see is how many vendors of management and security software have put out Linux versions in the past 12 months. I’m talking about stuff like RMM (Remote Monitoring & Management), EDR / MDR (Endpoint Detection & Response / Managed Detection & Response) client side DNS filtering software, and other things.
This tooling is for managing and securing endpoints used by companies, either by internal IT or by MSPs. These vendors wouldn’t be making and releasing these tools unless they were being asked for them AND there was going to be stead long term demand.
Turns out that once a companies stuff is in the cloud its users really don’t need MS Windows anymore so as long as you can centrally manage and secure it Linux makes a perfectly fine endpoint OS.
I don’t understand how my coworkers are using windows. Like, they routinely have issues where it randomly reboots or gets sluggish. And it’s just flat out unfit for software development, unless you’re targeting windows specific stuff. They can’t even run our code locally.
Maybe some of the problems are janky security stuff to try to lock it down
Total market share is irrelevant. What matters more is total users.
If you make a product and there’s a million people on a platform who could buy it, the costs to port that product (and support it) need to be low for it to be worthwhile.
If the total number of people on that platform increases to 10 million, now the cost to port/support becomes more like a minuscule expense rather than a difficult decision.
When you reach 100 million there’s no excuse. There’s a lot of money to be made!
For reference, the current estimated amount of desktop Linux users globally is somewhere between 60-80 million. In English-speaking countries, the total is around 19-20 million.
It’s actually a lot more complicated than this, but you get the general idea: There’s a threshold where any given software company (including games) is throwing money away by not supporting Linux.
Also keep in mind that even if Linux had 50% market share, globally, Tim Sweeney would still not allow Epic to support it. I bet he’d rather start selling their own consoles that run Windows instead!
For reference, the current estimated amount of desktop Linux users globally is somewhere between 60-80 million. In English-speaking countries, the total is around 19-20 million.
That sounds about right when comparing Microsoft’s claim of “1 billion” Windows devices. 5% of a billion is 50 million(not a perfect comparison as 5% Linux is total including MacOS/others from statcounter but you get the idea). So 50 million to 100 million Linux users globally sounds about right.
You can buy laptops and PCs with pre-installed Linux at Germany’s biggest computer retailer now.
Tuxedo laptops seem like they have a solid build.
Nice design and I think they are based in Germany.
They even provide their own OS which is based on Ubuntu.
Yes, very happy with mine. Started it up to see the preinstalled version of Linux and then restarted it to install Arch btw instead, but it’s a great wee machine, exactly what I wanted and will be replacing it with another like it when the time comes.
My M1 MacBook Air is still alive and kicking (although I dislike being an American brand - bought it before the whole American mess).
But if I was in the market looking for a laptop, definitely would be a Tuxedo.
Some OEMs with some models here in the USA also offer it. HP and Dell offer it. I think Dell gives Fedora and Ubuntu? And it takes off ~$130 USD or so from the price, so it’s the full Windows license cost.
Personally if I have that option I’m taking it and just reinstalling whatever I want anyway, but it’s nice having that option.
Also if I’m going to spend $2k+ on a new laptop and they don’t give me a non-Windows/blank OS option then I’d go to support and request a special product link. Otherwise I’ll find another brand or buy used.
Dell sells PCs pre-configured with linux as well.
I had no idea - that’s really cool!
Germans also seem to be privacy oriented people, I can imagine this combined with recent developments could have a real impact.
I wish you were right, but that growth does not appear fast nor steady.
0 to 1 percent: 22 years
1 to 2 percent: 8 years
2 to 3 percent: 2 years
3 to 4 percent: more unstable, but between 1 and 3 yearsI would say it’s an encouraging trend.
Best comment.
I am very thankful to Microsoft, without them I wouldn’t have made the switch to Linux.
I really loving it. So much better, faster and powerful + no Spying.
Yup too late I’m never coming back.
