Yet again we see that for country that is insanely in love with guns, they have no idea how to handle guns safely.
I will recap the basics of gun safety for the folks in the back:
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Don’t pick up a gun unless you are going to use it and know how to use it safely.
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The gun is loaded, on a hair trigger and the safety is off.
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Do not point the gun at anything you don’t intend to kill or destroy.
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Finger out of the trigger guard.
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THE GUN IS FUCKING LOADED.
Beware of the R word.
Why not ‘regulate’? Ah yes freedom.
Yeah that’s how you know he killed her on purpose
It’s so strange to me, the people that the public will hold accountable and the people who get a pass
Sometimes if I’m facing the wrong way in line at the grocery store or if I get randomly distracted by something, an old person or a woman will accost me, literally screaming and crying, complete with snot bubbles, because I’ve made some kind of basic and understandable error. I pressed the wrong button, I didn’t see someone in line so I cut in front of them, I forgot to hold the elevator door.
This guy shoots his daughter and people are saying ridiculous shit, assuming that he’s stupid or assuming that he’s going to snap out of it one day. He can’t just be a murderer. People are frothing at the mouth to make excuses for people like this.
To them, they didn’t so much “kill” her, they “cured her terminal TDS”.
What’s really scary is that I’m sure that this “father” isn’t the only one who thinks this way. I worry that there’s a lot of other “fathers” that would hurt their own flesh and blood because they differ politically. This is the reach of that child-fuckers cult.
Edit to add, from the article:
Although a jury declined to indict Kris and he faced no charges in relation to his daughter’s death
Well there it is. White dude in Texas shoots his daughter over TDS, and a"Jury of his peers" looks the other way.
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Oscar Pistorius was charged and convicted.
This case exposes USA as a bigger shit-hole than fucking South Africa. That is really saying something!
Is the father even a citizen?
Hello ICE, I think I found one of those illegals 😏
A dangerous criminal too, the kind they promised they’d go after
“As I lifted the gun to show her I suddenly heard a loud bang,” Kris allegedly said. “I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.” WTF!!! It proves he pointed the gun at his daughter, which is a big fucking NO NO! Worse yet, the damn thing was locked and loaded. Fuck him, charge him with murder.
Nevermind that’s all emotional BS.
He did it intentionally not on accident. They’re trusting the murderer in the m urder case.
Where I live, in Europe, you CAN own firearms. Long guns pretty easily, as they are considered hunting/sporting guns, including semi-auto assault rifles, albeit, with 3 round magazines. Buying or even 3D printing larger ones is trivial, but it’s a felony to have one near the gun (same range/car/house…).
Long gun licenses require a medical, which includes a basic psych eval.
Handguns require a stricter medical, with a more detailed psych eval, and a course which includes gun safety, and legislation, among other things.
Except for some rare exceptions (jewelers, judges, and other people that can objectively be considered a target for assault or retaliation) you cannot carry, open or otherwise, except to go to a range, or hunting ground, and the gun and munitions must be separated; guns in a case in the trunk, with the magazine and munitions in the front of the car.
I don’t get why there isn’t a reasonable license for guns in the US. There is for cars, no?
“reasonable license for cars” lol no. I mean we need a license to drive, but it’s so stupidly easy in so many places and you can fail so many times and still get it. We basically test if the person has a pulse before letting them drive. And based on the driving changes I’ve seen since covid I’m thinking even the pulse has become optional
Because freedumb
Why have I never seen this before. What a great homonym.
From 1999. Not considered a “classic” ST album but still shreds hard.
This is just an excuse, dude murdered his daughter and is trying to blame it on the gun. Guns don’t load themselves, and they don’t magically go off…
Remember, guns don’t kill people, people kill people
And sadly, the highest percentage is within a family.
Exactly this. I was taught not to point a gun at anything I don’t intend to destroy, even if I believe it not to be loaded.
Anything less than that is negligent manslaughter at the least if the gun ‘goes off’ ‘by accident’, because you should never be in that situation.
Okay, but, even ruled an accident, why is this guy not up for manslaughter charges? Do I grossly misunderstand what manslaughter is?
This is definitely some smoking gun tier bullshit, but even given every benefit of the doubt in the world, the negligence has to be criminal.
they really don’t care, man. talk to some boomers sometimes they desperately need to be forced into retirement and group homes.
Get your ageist nonsense out of here. Old people make good and bad decisions, just like everyone does.
While true, lead exposure is strongly correlated with age.
Texas is a shithole.
Lawless shithole country.
Ahhh, so “Honor killings” are now acceptable in the US.
Then he ought to be put down, for his daughter’s honor.
Always have been
Guns have more rights than women in this country.
I’ve been rewatching Bojack Horseman, and there’s an episode where Diane convinces the state to pass common-sense gun legislation by making it “in” for women to carry guns. The eventually leads to the line, “I can’t believe this country hates women more than it loves guns,” to which the character with her replies, “really?”
I think that moment is, unfortunately, rather poignant.
Basically Reagan (when he was governor of California) vs the black Panthers
Almost, she becomes a fan of guns after trying one and then women across the country all get guns to protect themselves from men. Men freak out and ban all guns in the US. But still one of my favorite lines.
Seems like women should be identifying with AR/15 as their pronouns
guns don’t kill people, women kill people.
she killed herself by arguing with a man.
/s
#choosethebear
Supposedly an accidental shooting according to the article.
But sounds fishy to me, and yes, he should be in prison whether it was accidental or not. It was either a death due to deadly negligence or he’s lying and murdered her, both of which should merit jail time.
Unfortunately guns are extra-legal here. The law or the people in most US cities doesn’t care if the shooting was supposedly accidental.
No, no, you don’t get it - he’s admitted that he was under the influence of alcohol while handling the weapon (which he was showing off to his famously anti-gun daughter in the basement into which she was not allowed prior), so it means he’s off the hook, it was basically an act of God! After all, how can we expect to punish people for what they’re doing while drunk, right?
At this point, it’s a suicide really.
/J
This reads like it never even went to trial. The article says a jury “failed to indict” and the man was “never charged”.
I’m assuming it was a grand jury and somehow a bare majority or jurors couldn’t find cause to charge the man (who—at minimum—pointed a gun at his daughter’s chest and pulled the trigger) with any crime whatsoever.
Not a single charge or trial?
How?
Texas
Also she was Anti-Trump. And a woman. So it’s okay.
They don’t consider it a crime if they don’t believe the victim is a person.
Unironically a foundational tenant of the entire country.
Some of us have just done a better job of moving past it. (Dems enabled Gaza genocide so I’m not talking about Dems, at least not the politicians. I mean some individuals.)
Yes. Totally on her. /s If she had not been born yet, then things would have been a lot different. ‘dad’ had been on death-row before midnight
Grand jury. What little I’ve read keeps saying they tried for manslaughter. Also from what I’ve read, based on the dad’s own statements he’s clearly guilty of a number of crimes that aren’t manslaughter. So it’s possible there’s some nazi-esque camaraderie here and the prosecutor intentionally flopped to get no charges. I’m not exactly sure how grand juries work on that front. Could they have tried for a lower level charge, then once the rest of the investigation uncovers things they just bump the charge up to the appropriate level of would they need to reconvene a grand jury? Could the grand jury have considered multiple levels of charges?
Grand juries are different than trial juries in Texas. They’re nominated “respectable” members of society that serve terms for multiple months. It’s remnants of Jim Crow that are alive and well, where rich white guys decide who gets prosecuted for what.
And Texas made it even worse a few years back. In 2008, a white guy called 911 because police his neighbor’s house was being robbed. He indicated that the neighbor’s were not home, and also that he was gonna shoot the burglars. The dispatch told him over a dozen times not to interfere, and he repeatedly said he would shoot them. As plainclothes police were arriving on scene, dispatch told him they were arriving, but he went ahead and shot the 2 unarmed burglars in the back while.they were fleeing, killing both. They happened to be unarmed.
The grand jury refused to indict him for a crime, but the familes sued the murderer in civil court and won.
So Texas made a law that if someone is not convicted of a felony for a gun crime they can’t be sued in civil court over it.
So Texas made a law that if someone is not found convicted of a felony for a gun crime they can’t be sued in civil court over it.
This is how you get vigilantes.
That’s the idea.
They openly allowed armed civilian militias like the “Minutemen” and “United Constitutional Patriots” to detain and hold migrants at gunpoint until CBP arrived.
Hell - in the 80s a militia group calling itself the “Civiliian Military Assistant” was actually making border raids into Mexico to shoot on migrants before they crossed the border.
You know, these folks keep worrying about the cartels and the Black Panthers. And the more I read, the more I wish that what they feared most actually came to pass, and Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación actually rolled a few APCs into their neighborhoods and started a scorched earth campaign or three.
How much do we want to bet that the law wouldn’t apply if the shooter was black?
Grand jury indictments are required for felony charges to make it to trial, including felonies like murder/involuntary manslaughter.
Indictments are a very low bar (probable cause). In this case, it seems clear to me from everyone’s accounts that, at minimum, this was a reckless homicide where the mishandling of a firearm resulted in someone’s death, and therefore probable cause existed to indict, so this is very clearly a poor decision on the jury’s part if the charge was manslaughter. I’m not sure if they tried to seek an indictment for involuntary manslaughter or murder though. Murder is a higher bar.
However this isn’t necessarily a done deal. Double jeopardy does not apply to grand juries’ “no bill” (i.e. the decision not to indict), so the prosecutor can gather more evidence or plan a different approach and try again. If, for example, they attempted to get an indictment for murder and failed, they could try again for manslaughter. This is really only news if the prosecution decides to stop trying to indict.
“If a district attorney wanted, a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich.”
I don’t think the district attorney tried to do more than the bare minimum for the indictment. I wonder if they purposely threw the case.
“Justice for Mama Cass!”
“To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger,” the coroner said. “I find these actions to be reckless.”
Mmhmm.
Some states do require a grand jury indictment if its a crime that carries capital punishment. Like murder.
Could be a case where they went for a specific murder charge, but weren’t able to support it.
Or the prosecutor was implicit
Complicit
Hey look how about some sympathy for the gun owner here? He accidentally pointed a loaded weapon at a loved one while having a heated argument, and the gun felt scared and accidentally went off! By accident!
Really, that poor gun owner might be scared to point a loaded weapon at a loved one again! Don’t victim blame the poor owner!
“To shoot her through the chest whilst she was standing would have required him to have been pointing the gun at his daughter, without checking for bullets, and pulling the trigger,” the coroner said. “I find these actions to be reckless.”
Whoopsies! I usually make sure not to pull the trigger when casually pointing a loaded gun at a family member’s chest. But that’s just me being overly cautious.
I am baffled at how this doesn’t constitute premeditated murder. They had some argument and then guy’s like “know what? I know what I’m gonna do.” And did it. What freaking horror.
You missed the part where the guy said he didn’t mean to do that and he’s sorry.
I just accidentally beat my daughter to death. The bat just went off on it’s own. I was just showing her the bat then all of a sudden she was bludgeoned to death. I have no idea what happened!
Obviously a SIG baseball bat.
not your fault. she was probably just too observant
Well glocks don’t have safeties and require you to pull the trigger to disassemble. Negligent discharges when trying to show them off to people absolutely do happen, and with how you have to hold the gun to take it apart the “don’t point at anything you don’t wish to shoot” rule gets overlooked a lot.
They’re the default “modern” handgun but I’ve always said they are a terrible design.
He was gonna teach her gun safety, with a loaded gun while not respecting trigger discipline or the laser rule?
I’d say that’s “a likely story” but the man’s a Trumper so it’s exactly the kind of stupid I’d expect.
Hadn’t heard “laser rule” before, I assume it’s the same as “don’t point it at anything you care about”.
Yes.
Essentially always pretend there’s a deadly and infinite laser coming from the muzzle.
Just to add to this, it’s a more helpful way to think about it, because people hear “don’t point it at” and they think of “pointing” as an intentional action, like gesturing or taking aim, instead of thinking about all the small ways that a weapon moves as you reposition it or transition from one grip to another, and so on.
Yup.
It makes you think about not just where you point it, but everything it might “slice” as you handle it.
Or even how you set it down, or move around one sitting on a table.
A pretty good analogy. I’ve been taught that the gun is always loaded and ready to go unless it’s fully disassembled. Only exception is when you personally checked that it is not and the gun haven’t left your hands after checking it. And even then you don’t point it to anything you don’t want a hole in.
And the same rule applies no matter the type of gun you’re holding. A bb-gun, .22 or .308, pistol or long barrel or whatever, they are all always loaded.
While this is accurate and true, the laser rule, for the reasons described above, helps people to really visualize the danger created by a weapon as it moves around. Just saying “The gun is always loaded” isn’t enough. Too many people see this as simply a skill challenge, like “Well of course I’m not going to accidentally pull the trigger, I’m too good for that.”
I guess to put it another way, just thinking of the gun as always loaded isn’t enough, because at some point in the process of operating a firearm you inevitably have to do things with it while it’s loaded. So you have to teach people how to safely interact with a loaded firearm. The “always loaded” rule is really just affirming that whatever you would do with a loaded firearm, you do with every firearm.
A slightly different way to think it I guess. I’ve been also learned that intentionally pulling a trigger is not the only way to fire a gun. There’s always a possibilty for the mechanism to trigger if you accidentally bump the gun or drop it or trigger guard can get tangled with something or whatever, so the ‘laser pointer’ part is sort of included in that as you need to be aware at all times where the gun is pointing and how you move around and interact with it.
And it obviously applies to things like chambering a bullet, removing clip from the gun and so on. I’ve personally seen a .22lr pistol to fire when slide was released on reloading, it was a old gun with really dirty mechanism so just the bump from the slide hitting the frame of the gun was enough to trigger it.
But no matter what ever way or analogy you’ve been thaught to work with guns, proper handling does not kill or injure anyone, specially not in your living room.
Don’t treat a gun like Tony Stark treats particle beams from an accelerator.
After drinking, and right before leaving for the airport.
You forgot about the like half liter of wine he had.
She did teach her gun safety. When not operated safely, guns can kill your daughter.
Dude probably never even stepped foot in a gun safety course beyond anything that was the bare minimum to legally get his gun, if there was even any requirements. I don’t know Texas law. Based on what he said to his daughter about sexual assault, he seems like a completely careless shit.
Yeah, stupid group of people can’t even do the thing they care most about correctly.
I didn’t kill her, the bullet and impact did.
Different circumstances obviously, but parallels to Renée Good; women who talk back get shot.
Well, if somebody threatens you, you should probably do something about that. As Megan and Kelly of The Devil Said Jump sings in “make me buy a gun” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VEVk4I_htWE
[Chorus]
These motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
I’m done with stressin’
Get my Smith and Wesson, on God[Verse 1]
They come for my rights
‘Cause they can’t take my light
And they hate me for shining so bright
They come with their anger
But darlin’, they ain’t never met mine[Verse 2]
They’re sorely mistaken if they thought
I’d lay down and die
Damn cowards had better come right for
The fight of their lives[Chorus]
‘Cause these motherfuckers are gonna make me buy a gun
Sore losers restarted a fight
That we’ve already wonAlex Pretti bought a gun. They disarmed him and then killed him.
Yes, I once bought a vehicle from a little old lady who never used it. What’s the point in buying something for then to never use it?
Pretti had the background to expect lawful and reasonable behavior from the authorities. What Pretti then experienced was all but that. Now people should know better.
I think Pretti showed us that concealed carry is just a way to get killed. The Panthers had it right - open carry armed patrols.
I don’t really know what Pretti showed us. That compassion getting in the way of fascists gets you killed?
I think on a tactical level the Panthers may be doing it right, but on the other hand, if you’re demonstrably armed, then you’re a target. If you knew that in a certain area there’s black panthers armed with small arms, then you’d either stay away or “dress for the part” by rolling in an APC, or identify the black panthers and pick them up when they’re not standing on a street corner with a ready semiauto 12ga.
Something we may take away from Alex Pretti is that you need to go for the oppressors first, and help the oppressed second. But what we can take away from both panthers and Pretti is, don’t do it alone, there’s strength in numbers.
Pretti showed us that you don’t have to be demonstrably armed to be a target, so why bother with concealment? They target people for talking back, for filming them, for posting negatively about them on the internet. They’re looking for reasons to target us.
If you don’t want to be a target, the only real option is to stay home.
Except, once they run out of targets in the streets, they’ll come for us in our houses next. Fascists don’t stop, they’re always looking for new enemies to target. We’re all going to be targets eventually, our choice is when - now, or later?
