Go ahead, make a lucrative market for consumer ram, see how fast china figures out how ot start filling that need :)
That is ok we will get more videos of cats making lattes.
I’m aware, thanks.
Now I’m just contemplating whether I should upgrade from 32 GB DDR4 to 64 or 128 while it’s still within the realm of possibility, or bet on memory prices coming back down within the next few years, and upgrade to an entirely new platform with DDR5 then.
At least I’m not planning on buying a brand new car anytime soon, or even a nearly new one. And my phone’s fine for a few more years.
Just get a 256GB SSD and boom, cheap RAM - albeit slow
Those are also unobtainium.
I took the plunge last month and went with 32GB 6000MT/s DDR5 in a new system. 16GB VRAM card, too.
We’ll see if this system will hold up for as long as my old pc did, which was 10 years.
My most recent hobby has been an old Suzuki Samurai that I dragged out of the woods a few years ago. It doesn’t use much RAM. It doesn’t even have fuel injection.
I’ve also been getting back into archery with my kid.
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think that making it harder to get a computer and play games is a huge miscalculation. If everyone is distracted by Call of Battle: Dutyfield then you have fewer bored assholes casting about for something to do, and if people can still play Factorio, you don’t end up with bored, autistic, organized assholes casting about for something to do.
What if the unintentional consequence of hardware hoarding by AI companies is we have fewer devices being made that spy on us, like smart TVs and appliances.
The reason RAM prices went up 4x is that a massive amount of not-yet-manufactured memory was bought with money that doesn’t really exist to be put into GPUs that haven’t been made yet, to be installed in data centers that haven’t been built, powered by infrastructure that may never exist, to satisfy demand that isn’t actually there, in order to generate profits that are mathematically impossible.
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All that to create Artificial Intelligence that isn’t really intelligent.
What do you mean?
Just walk the car wash!
The price crash is going to be great. Such a massive yo-yo. Most of the AI companies will just completely eat shit out of it.
Yes and no. The hardware companies have already said that they’re not interested in expanding production. They know it’s a bubble, and don’t want expanded production now to cause a glut in the future when the inevitable pop happens. So prices may not actually drop, (even after the pop), because the companies still won’t be producing more hardware than they currently are.
My best guess is that we’ll have some dark data centers sitting around collecting dust, but the hardware they bought won’t actually flood the market and crash prices. If anything, since the US dollar’s value is essentially tied to Nvidia and OpenAI’s market share, a pop will only make the dollar less powerful and will counteract any potential drops in prices that may have otherwise happened. The companies will get a trillion dollar bailout when the pop happens, (because they’re too big to fail) then nothing will change about the current hardware prices.
All the ram being bought up is going to end up in the 2nd hand market as the hardware is all liquidated out. The prices will crash, and despite manufacturers not increasing their productions lines to build more ram, will still have to compete against themselves from the used market, meaning they won’t be able to keep trying to charge crazy high prices.
The problem is it’s manufacturing capacity that is being bought. They’re going to use that capacity to build HBM modules and data centre GPUs that cannot run outside of specialized servers. There will be a lot of high end gear gathering dust, but nothing you or I can use.
Maybe if you’re a large business/enterprise you could get some hardware on the cheap during the crash, but it’s not ot like those things are full of DDR5 DIMMs and RTX GPUs.
The supply chain for computing resources is extremely bottlenecked right now. Even with the high demand for open weight AI models the data centers hosting them aren’t able to get the computing resources they need and they keep running into rate limits even for paid users. Z.ai’s hosting quality has dropped which I suspect may be related. Even over the past few weeks this has gotten much worse with the release of Kimi K2.5 being competitive with closed US-based models and OpenCode becoming popular. Meanwhile we have corporations like OpenAI buying up half the world’s RAM fucking both other people and other corporations. So I’m not sure where this is going to end up, but the computer hardware market is going to really suck for a while.
That’s fine, I’m over here eating popcorn, watching all the drama……
Luckily I’m not likely to need any laptop, phone, tablet. game console, car, tv, etc any time soon. All my higher end devices are good for a few years until the bubble bursts.
That being said, my hobbies tend to be in low end devices. We know raspberry pi’s are now expensive and likely to get worse, but I wonder how it will effect the tiny bit of old technology memory in things like “smart switches” and sensors
My Pixel 6 Pro is about to lose software support even though it functions perfectly fine, and GrapheneOS has the idiotic logic of “sending software updates for unsupported phones is bad security so it’s better to not send any software updates at all and make it even more unsupported”. Either way I can’t really afford a new one (and don’t really want to buy one anyways with Google’s recent Android fuckery) so I guess I’ll just stick with a phone with abandoned software for a while.
We said that a few times, first it was the harddisk factories flooded in Thailand IIRC, then it was GPUs for crypto, now it’s this shit. Not much bursting, more like a chain of bubbles.
. . . And then the market will be flooded with RAM that companies preordered and can’t pay for, because the AI bubble burst before it could be manufactured.
Hey, I can dream, right? And seriously, I would be quite happy if this causes an increase in dumb appliances, devices, and cars in the meanwhile.
I hear here a lot that the AI bubble will burst. And I wish this was true. But is there any indication for it? Crypto and GPU bubbles didn’t burst. I worry that it’s just another Lemmy circlejerk.
They’re already hedging by trying to rent you products instead of selling
Most of the lithography that is dedicated to RAM is being done for HBM modules, which are not consumer grade. So more likely it will end up in landfills.
Or new consumer HBM modules
Chip designs take years, so if there’s a sudden glut of HBM, there’s no good way to put it to use outside of existing designs.
That being said, a lot of LPDDRX is being produced for Nvidia servers and a few other systems. That would be useful. Doubly so if we packaged as LPCAMM.
My AMD GPU has HBM.
These are giant dedicated HBM chips that are on the motherboard, they won’t be going into any GPUs.
HBM are thinned die stacks which are assembled at the GPU periphery using silicon interposers. My AMD GPU has HBM. In case of HBM overproduction post-bubble we might see resurgence of GPUs with HBM rather than GDDRx.
“everything you care about” - Time to change hobbies and care about things that don’t have RAM then.
Yup. My local shooting range doesn’t need RAM. The archery target in my back yard doesn’t need RAM. The park where I go jogging doesn’t need RAM. My local food bank always needs volunteers, and they’re not handing out RAM to hungry people. My local theater always needs volunteer ushers, and you get to see a show for free.
My garden is far too small to be able to do archery in it sadly. Plus with a path behind it could result in killing someone. Maybe at a push I could manage a dart board somewhere.
Starts to get into crochet, sewing and knitting.
Yeah, old consoles and PCs only need 4 mb or less ram and have millions of games :) this is only an issue for AAA gamers.
Half life death match runs on 512 mb no?
I’d be happy to use last gen stuff too
I would LOVE to believe this will force automakers to return to using buttons instead of touchscreen.
Yeah, I know. But I’d sure love to believe it.
They’re going back to rotary dials in some cases because touch-only is bad for safety scores.
As for putting everything behind a separate button again, that’s just too expensive unfortunately. I wish they’d at least do it for premium cars, but honestly anything short of a Bentley or Rolls is still fairly buttonless.
I think this will be required to get full score on the safety test in Europe soon, so hopefully it can bleed into the global car market in a few years.
Unfortunately cars are one of those things where the brussels effect doesn’t work as well since lots of companies are set up to manufacture and deliver specific models to specific countries
Hyundai Motor group said they would commit to buttons but the leaks of the ioniq 5 refresh look like all the other chinese crap out there with a bigass tablet in the middle.
Also fuck Elon and Tesla for starting that shit
https://i.imgur.com/LgWLZsG_d.webp?maxwidth=1520&fidelity=grand
Hahahahahahahha…but yeah, that’d be awesome. Fucking damn touchscreens in cars.
The number of touch screen clicks I need to turn my windshield wipers on is just plain dangerous.
I’m old enough to remember a time when windows were rolled up by hand. It wasn’t perfect, but you never had to turn your car on again to deal with a window forgotten open.
Wait, touch screen for windshield wipers‽ Fuck that shit. It’s supposed to be a stalk opposite the turn signals because it’s safety critical. What next, touch screen for your turn signals‽
I like the function some cars have when you can old down the lock button to close all windows (and unlock to open them), without starting your car.
a time when windows were rolled up by hand
If you are talking about using the handle, then there are still plenty of cheaper cars that have that, depending upon where you are looking.
I don’t think I’ve seen manual windows in a car for at least 15 years. My lowest trim absolute base model civic in 2012 still had electric windows and would have been the same for the whole gen so at least 2010 for Honda. My 03 Saturn ion had manual windows (and the little thumb stick for the drivers mirror, my bae) but base model manual windows were already on the way out around then, at least in the US.
The Slate Truck has them, so assuming that that goes into production, it’ll be an example.
The Slate Truck’s base configuration, called the “Blank Slate”, does not include an infotainment system, speakers, or power windows.
I find myself at a point where I don’t actually want any new computing devices, partly because of this, and partly because, well, what I have works fine for me.
I have an M2 MacBook Air that is still as solid as the day I got it (Sequoia for life) for the majority of my personal needs, plus a 2014 Mac mini running Mint as my home server, an M1 Mac Mini my dad gave me that runs my Home Assistant, and an old(er) PC that has a GTX 1060 GPU that’s capable of playing most of the games I care to play. My phone is a Pixel 9 running Graphene which is a year old and nowhere needing a replacement, and I have an iPad mini that I barely use these days anyway.
I guess I’m lucky enough that my shit is new enough that it’s still usable, and my use-case is light enough on resources that the older gear still works perfectly well for what I need.
My wife, however, needs a new PC…
I don’t really care about new tech. Pre 2010 tech is much more interesting. Learning to keep it repaired is good for us.
I already bought all I need for the next 4 years back in 2024. Hopefully it all continues to work.
On the bright side it’s being used to artificially prop up a technology that nobody actually needs or even really wants
But there are still enough companies trying to ride the wave.
And paying all people’s salaries to Cloud AI services.
