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Quietly?
XBOX COFOUNDER SAYS MICROSOFT IS QUIETLY SUNSETTING THE PLATFORM
More seriously, the distance between the X-Box OS and the Windows OS was always measured in inches. Maybe they finally decided to give up the ghost and just admit they were selling people mid-range PCs with a console skinned GUI.
I fucking hate all the prompts for the XBOX Game Bar in freaking Windows Server OS
I think there’s a setting that’ll turn that off.
But also… Linux Mint is a pretty easy lift and shift.
Oh I am all Linux where I can… I do not get to admin those servers so I am stuck with microslop
It’s not good for the consumer to have less competition on the market. But is there any legit reason to own an Xbox?
Only if you want to have the black and green version of Toy instead of the white and blue version, at this rate. Barring a handful of exclusives everything gets released on PS5 and Xbox now and maybe also a watered down port on the Switch/2. The current Xbox and Playstation are so architecturally similar to each other that they may as well be the same machine with the only difference being which asshole is at the helm, and for either of them you may as well have a PC.
Some backward compatible games run better than emulators
I hate that Xbox is a joke now and that it’s going to die out. I hate that there is going to be less competition in the console space. I hate that Microsoft have no idea what the fuck they’re doing.
Playstation is next; Nintendo has the securist market with its portable console.
I would think hand helds like the steam deck would be slowly strangling it but the switch 2 sold like hotcakes.
Nintendo has the securist market with its portable console.
hmmmm the Steam Deck is eating away at that cake… I know my son was an avid Nintendo fan and didn’t even look at the Switch 2 because his 3 year old Steam Deck is doing everything he wants
Nintendo has the securist market with its portable console.
Cause they actually try to make a console that’s not just “Discount PC With Coupon For Streaming Service”.
Even then, it’s mostly an under-powered PC that makes up the difference with a few gimmicks. Which is fine. But you’re still left asking “Why would I buy a PS6 / X-Box One+One+360Infinity when I could just get this shit on PC in another six months?” Other than tinkering with controllers, neither have done anything interesting since the Kinect flopped.
The only reason I got a Switch 2 is because a company selling them here in Denmark made a HUGE pricing error. So I got a Switch 2 and Mario Kart World together for just 99 DKK, or 15 USD.
Haha, there’s not much I wouldn’t buy at a 95% discount.
Nearly all my music gear was bought used, at about that level of discount. People buy interesting gear, and never get around to tackling the learning curve, and eventually sell it off super cheap.
If you can be patient, and watch for the exact right gear at the exact right price, and you are focused on performance more than gourmet brand names, you can build a nice home recording studio for super cheap. It took me about two years, but all my gear, and all my instruments, probably didn’t cost more than about $1500-2000 total, and most of it is brand new, or nearly so.
I once got a 2k camera + gear + extra (Sigma!) lenses for three fiddy. No Loch Ness monsters involved tho.
What online sites are good for this?
Playstation is next;
80% of the xbox crowd is probably gonna buy a playstation. Maybe a few will go for a PC and the rest for a switch.
Couch goblins that look into the future when considering the cost of a console might find the steam machine worthy when it releases.
Need more private companies like Valve, and some community open source options built up too
We seriously need to get open source PC console community-made offerings up and running. To share the load of building that up. Community built up competitors and Valve will be enough.
Still I also would like to see some new players come in too.
Are there any companies that would do well in gaming? What if AMD made their own console?
When you set an impossible goal (30% yoy profit margin for the gaming division), you know that you are killing off that division, just, slowly.
Satya just really wants an AI girlfriend that is also in everyone’s homes simultaneously, that he can use to spy on everyone for the NSA.
Not that it directly matters, but I did literally work for MSFT during the 360 3RR / Windows 8 era.
I kinda know at least a little about the uh, corporate culture.
I think they are sunsetting whole company.
That’s what their actions felt like for decades yet somehow they’ve always kept chugging along.
I can only hope.
You mean Microsoft? I hope but I doubt it, they have a lot of companies locked in their products
Wtf I just came up with the same comment without reading yours first.
So yeah, I agree. They must have done the calculation that it’s easiest to just not exist and lay everyone off.
Nah, shifting heavily toward being B2B.
I love how nobody here is getting me actual picture. They’re not going to sell Xbox to people anymore. What’s going to happen is they’re going to turn to a subscriber model where you have to log into a data center that they control and use your browser to play video games. Paying a monthly subscription for the privilege of playing their exclusive games. In fact I will bet money that the first product that will be introduced with this feature is going to be the highly anticipated upcoming Grand Theft Auto 6.
Mark my words. Either at the time of release or shortly thereafter they’re going to introduce the ability to subscribe to play GTA 6 in your browser on a remote gaming system. And then they’re going to phase out physical Xbox systems over the next couple of years.
I saw a thread the other day, something like “What low-level conspiracies do you genuinely believe”; to which someone replied that they believe that OpenAI is being speedrun to bankruptcy in order for Microsoft to buy their data centres for pennies on the dollar.
And yeah, it all kinda seems that could be a credible outcome, at which point MS will have a huge amount of equipment all ready to serve game streaming to people who can no longer afford to buy a home computer to do the same.
Is it going to happen? shrug
Could it? Absolutely.
Doesn’t remote gaming require everyone to have an unmetered and fast internet connection? There’s still a lot of places where not everyone is that lucky.
It won’t be GTA6. It will be an exclusive title like a rebooted Halo or Gears of War. They can’t risk losing the money on GTA when people just go to PS5 and buy the game outright there.
I said GTA 6 will be the introduction. Not the closer.
As any drug dealer can tell you, you have to give them a taste in order to get them addicted then you can start to really charge them for the good stuff.
Drug dealers don’t do that. You don’t need to create a market for drugs, if you’ve got decent stuff to sell people will buy it.
The Elder Scrolls 6, only available on Xbox® Game Pass© Ultimate Plus™ Cloud Gaming™®©
And how well do you think that’s going to work? Sounds like a shitty service maybe five people will subscribe to, and then it dies a year later.
We’ve had subscription services like this already. I don’t hear much of them anymore… Or at all… So I presume they’re all dead.
This sounds… plausible actually. They have this big stake in GPU datacenters for AI, that are (and will be) burning incredible amounts of money and are not turning a profit anytime soon. That same crazy level of investement on AI is making hardware costs go up, especially gaming hardware.
But Microsoft, being the benefactors who have inherited the company from philantropist and kids-lover Bill Gates, have thought of us! They will share a bit of their shiny GPU datacenters’ plwer for gaming and all they will be asking for is a lot of your money. I can see that.
This has been tried before and never worked well. What makes you think its going to work any better now?
I even have a free controller google gave me when they tried it.
It doesn’t need to work well.
It needs to sound like it will make more money for MSFT’s board.
You’re approaching this from the angle of ‘is this a sensible and sustsinable long term business strategy.’
Nobody cares!
They care about LINE GO UP BIG FAST NOW!
Microsoft Board: But Google lost so much money on Stadia!
Voice on speaker: but Google didnt have me, Bing.AI!
Microsoft Board: DONE. MAKE US RICH!
Stadia was still a system you buy. What I’m talking about here is having a browser based gaming system where any computer could be used to play games, for subscription price of course.
There are in fact currently places on the web that offer such services for Minecraft.
And I’ll bet you anything they’ll make the subscription price really low at first. Borrowing from the Netflix model… Then, once consoles and PCs have been outmoded and no one owns anything, they jack the price up.
Stadia worked on chrome browsers. I think you needed their controller though, but I got mine for free with a Chromecast purchase. For TVs you needed a Chromecast or a Android TV
The only thing that makes me think it might work this time is that for some reason Microsoft has this magical ability to take a bad idea, make the shittiest possible iteration of it and have it mysteriously become the most widely-adopted standard against all logic.
Attitudes like that are not how we got a trillion dollars in spare data center infrastructure to find a use for!
Those consumers will be happy owning nothing THIS time!!
Oh man, those stadia controllers. Not the stupidest $99 I’ve ever spent, but still pretty dumb.
Why the LLM-driven scarcity in computing parts of course, and a little bit of cartel behavior when Nintendo and Sony inevitably announce the same thing next year.
The PS5 version of GTA6 is going to sell pretty well then
To play games coded by a shitty AI, full of bugs and as many microtransactions as possible …
Is the game buggy? Worry not! Microsoft™ Copilot 365™ powered by Azure™ will analyze your gameplay in realtime, detect when a bug occurs, and redirect you to an AI generated troubleshooting page.
Just waiting for them to bring back Clippy as an AI agent…
Unironically the AI is trained using episodes of The IT Crowd.
I love my AI future.
Fuck.
The old “we don’t want to put any effort into creating anything good, we just want to milk this for cash until we can’t anymore.”
My cloud computing teacher says the future of personal computing is just monitors connected to the cloud. Why couldn’t I have been born in the 70s?
Sure, but realize that the current level of personal computing is a smartphone, we’re not that far off from your home “PC” just being a display, KB, mouse, and maybe an interface for some external storage and peripherals. I wouldn’t be shocked if that happenes some time in the next 10 years.
That being said, I think there will still be a significant group of people who will own their own hardware.
When computers were just a teletype attached to a mainframe?
good
Indeed. Death to consoles. A piece of hardware/software creating a gated community where you’re charged twice to use the entrance and then gaslit into thinking that it’s a necessary fee.
You have a point with that, but as long as consoles are easy to use they have their audience. I have both pc and ps5. I do mostly prefer my pc, but i honestly cant deny that ps has its merits. The time i have owned the one console i have needed to upgrade my pc twice.
As long as there is no convinient way for less computer savy people to play casually, consoles will be a thing.
And before you start to crusifix me, remember most people playing games do it casually and like it or not, those people are the majority and the audience that bring biggest part of the money in to the industry.
It’s insane how Microsoft is handling Xbox:
- They have their own console and Windows
- They bought everything they could and now own most of the biggest gaming franchises outside of Nintendo: Activision-Blizzard. Minecraft. Halo. Call of Duty. Warcraft. Starcraft. Diablo. Candy Crush. Elder Scrolls. Fallout. id software. Bethesda.
They have everything in place and are still getting slapped around by Valve and Sony and are now talking about shutting down everything?
Yes. Correct. Because they don’t know what they’re doing.
Just look at how they’ve positioned themselves in recent years: One, we always want to have the most powerful console to be the best. Two, we want people to be able to play anywhere with just a controller and no console required. Talk about a kingdom divided.
As a long time IT guy… this is how Microsoft does everything
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They thoroughly shit the bed, it’s an astonishing display of incompetence.
More than likely they’ll just sunset Xbox the platform and rent you the ability to play games on the cloud using your phone, smart TV or computer. And all those franchises will be rentable first, then maybe buyable some day later.
Among other things they have huge data centers that are going to be unused come AI collapse - they just need to figure out how to run games on those GPUs, as they’re very very different from gaming GPUs.
I love how corporations work.
"Hey, we completely fucked this up. We mishandled it, made decisions our customers hate, and now we’re scrapping it because we might lose money.
“Could we fix it? Sure. But that would mean changing the business model that made us money 20 years ago, and that’s terrifying. There’s a risk we might lose money.”
“And sure, the board won’t lose a dime personally. But the stockholders, basically meerkats who scatter at the first loud noise might panic. And we can’t have that. We might lose money.”
I guess they’re going to go all-in on AI despite only 3.3% of MS365 subscribers paying for Copilot. Stonks?
The sunk cost fallacy is a bitch
Didnt stop them from killing windows phone
They’re going to go all-in on paid streaming gaming services, like every major company for the next thousand years.
You will own nothing and be happy.
Look some people may say Xbox has confusing naming scheme, but it’s very simple, number just goes up:
First one is Xbox one. Noone in Microsoft is dumb enough to call “one” console that isn’t first of the series. Then Xbox X (because X is Roman 10) then the Xbox 360.
Very easy
Announcing the Xbox One 2 SL XLS SE Pro, which is the basic version, and the Pro version, the Xbox Two 1 SE SL XS SLB Enterprise, both of which are vibe-coded Windows apps that stream Gamepass games without installing anything but take up 100GB of hard drive and still run your GPU at 100% somehow. The latter costs twice as much and you get a different Minecraft cape with it. They update on a completely separate schedule to the rest of Windows, but if you run either one and the updates aren’t in sync it deletes your Documents folder.
You forgot about z Copilot version where AI has unrestricted ring 0 access to every single device, including your peacemaker - but in return it spies on you 24h!
Xbox S One S Xbox:
Sexbox.
…Did I get it right?
Microsoft is quietly sunsetting everything they cant make money on with AI.
I’m so happy that in the recent years Linux made leaps and bounds in terms of usability so now we have an alternative that actually works well, especially since Microsoft just stopped caring about desktop Windows users.
They can’t even make money with their AI, they only survive off the windows OEM licenses, Office 365 subs that businesses are locked into and their backend server and sql stuff. That’s enough to make them a walking dead for a long time.
And eventually companies will hopefully start cancelling those subscriptions to move to Open Office or Libre Office.
France is already starting that push by having government departments transition first, and are projected to save millions of euros in licensing fees each year. Once you get a critical mass of users on libre software, it’ll hopefully spread on its own
So, also AI?
This is for the best. As someone who is forced to work with a lot of Microsoft infrastructure let me tell you things have never been this broken before. They keep doubling down on AI and it simply doesn’t work.
It’s been steadily downward since the release of Server 2012 when they started shoehorning every damn feature into increasingly bad web-UIs. I Worked on Microsoft environments since Server 2003 and I fucking hate that companies still use their garbage.
I feel you brother. It’s bad. They are pushing AI features at the speed of light but forgetting that other things need attention too. Log a support ticket and it spews out AI shit that I have already tried or doesn’t help.
My favorite last week was 2 dead support numbers and a third that let to AI which happily told me it has a solution that will fix the problem. The link it sent brought me to the bing search page.
I was so happy to finally talk to indian support a day later.
I will slog through so many menus and weird support numbers to talk to a real person.
didn’t the new exec come from their AI division?
depends on what you mean with ‘AI’, like builder.ai
There are already a bunch of documented but umimplemented functions in a few Xbox related API, like GameInput.
“Cortana, play a game for me.”
“Cortana, am I having fun?”I went to walmart to look for a new xbox controller for my xbox one x and they had maybe 12 games for the Xbox series X and NONE of them were anything i would ever want to purchase. Also the series X is a trash piece of equipment that has constant overheating issues, you cannot replace the hard drive if it dies, and it looks absolutely horrible design wise. They also had zero consoles in stock, while Best buy had about 12 open box Series X that people had returned for one reason or another at the outlet store.
So looks like even retailers are giving up on it.
The xbox one x was the last good console xbox made and even it has a ton of heat related issues with the HDMI circuit.
Xbox just cannot make a high quality gaming system, they just can’t. It’s been 2 decades and they still can’t get 90% of their consoles to last more than a year or 2.
I had to go back and read your post twice because I was getting Xbox One X and Xbox Series X confused with eachother. I even know there is a difference, but holy god are those names bad. It’s still confusing even when you know to look for it. I have no clue who decided that was a good idea. Then again, I look at their recent naming schemes and I guess I should just be happy they didn’t fuck up the Xbox branding even harder.
Some products from just this one article. (Note: Microsoft 365 Copilot App, and probably others, aren’t even in the article.) Can you tell me the difference?
- Microsoft 365 Copilot Chat
- Microsoft 365 Copilot
- Microsoft Copilot
- Microsoft Security Copilot
- GitHub Copilot
- Microsoft Copilot Studio
I explained the different xbox versions to my coworker and he almost had an aneurysm.
Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox 360 Slim, Xbox 360 Slim E, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X.
Dumbest names ever and 70% of the listings for these consoles, the owners don’t even know what they are selling. They call a series X a xbox One, and vise versa. Just too damn confusing for people.
Don’t forget how there are like at least 4 simultaneous versions of Teams, at any given point in time.
xbox one x was the last good console xbox made
Was it good? The Xbox 360 outsold it (by a lot), but even that was mostly luck because Sony notoriously fucked up the PS3 launch (and in the end, PS3 sold more anyways lmao). It also had the red ring of death issue.
The Xbox One was when they started the hardcore ramp up of enshittification which never ended even after continually losing in every way to the competition.
The OG Xbox worked well, and at least managed to outsell the GameCube (though not by a lot).
Yeah, it’s the first 4k console that xbox produced and has a slim profile, looks good, has a great selection of games and backwards compatible games. I own 5 xbox 360’s, it’s my favorite xbox console, but not the LAST good console they made. It was their best console in my opinion. The original xbox had its own hard drive problems and the original controller that came with it is absolutely terrible, so they had to remake the S version that we actually could fit in our hands.
