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Well, then it’s a good thing MAGA cancelled Climate Change, so we don’t have to worry about it.
Blowing up oil production could be argued as carbon negative.
No. Complete opposite. Not just full emissions from the buring oil, but replacement oil “needs” to be dug up.
I disagree. That oil you are seeing burning is just a few days of normal production. So it would have gotten burnt regardless. If you take the broader view, disrupting global oil production will give renewable energies a much needed push. If your petrol gets too expensive, the electric car maybe looks better now. Using solar and wind looks better when fossil fuel prices are more expensive. And heating your home with a heat pump is currently much, much cheaper than using gas or oil. So this will give a push, if done correctly.
Some countries might even wake up and realize that it’s better to produce their own energy from the sun shining on their own soil than being kind of a victim of whatever happens somewhere else in the world.
The economics for new energy as a slow transition were already there at $50/barrel. Geopolitical extortion means that fuel dependence means energy insecurity from enemies foreign and domestic (the monopolists and oil companies that corrupt our government). At one point this week, Trump said America (just its oil companies) will make a lot of money from destruction of all Gulf contries.
The geopolitical extortion case for having secure/fuelless energy existed yesterday, and will exist as long as US can be bribed to make oil more expensive. It should not be “oh wow, who could of thought some oil facilities could have ever gotten blown up, I better look at EV websites today”
On an individual basis, your demand for the best affordable EVs and energy indepdendent of the nationality of the company/workers who might provide it for you, should be not on comparing cost vs $2/gasoline a month ago, but on the fear of $4 or $6 gasoline, your government will enable, and on the fear of a $3/gallon carbon tax (paid as dividend to citizens/residents) as the only solution to global warming and energy transition.
It’s that $300/ton carbon tax that will speed transition. Overall, people are too dumb to realize their extortion and oppression is forever, and rooting for oil facilities destruction, as part of any solution, doesn’t change that it was going to happen anyway. When facility is rebuilt it is emissions, and lost oil obtained elsewhere to fill the gas tank it was already going to be used in, is more emissions.
Oil spikes do be making a MF invest in alternative energy. Just hope you don’t get clean coal
Wells burn for a long time
yeah but what about out cabron budget?
I think the red hot chili peppers blew through that in 2002
There’s always room in the budget for one more cabrón
Te Debo una cabrón
Don’t worry, nobody will be able to afford to drive, so that will offset it.
Just for fun, look up how much the US army pollutes.
I have a feeling that the carbon budget is going to be the least of our concerns soon.
Yeah, these days I’m more worried about the potential of future radioactive fallout.
I’m worried that I live a bit too far from the closest likely nuke target and I might survive the first phase of the war
That’s an interesting perspective. Thinking like that, I’m probably going in the first wave.
That would be for the best. You really don’t want to survive a nuclear war: what comes after is so much worse
The UK movie Threads from 1984 is probably the most accurate fictional representation of what nuclear war would look like. You can find it on Youtube
We don’t have the room for AI either and that’s not stopping anyone.
Hear me out. Depending on how massive the war is it could actually help on the long term.
At the end of the day less people equals less pollution.
Sounds like an ecofash take
While we are at it: Don’t treat the personal in critical and low life expectancy (e.g. heavily mutilated but could live through until natural death) to save on pension funds and later medical infrastructure.
More for the young in need (a bit of /s and /j)
Yes but just very few people make up the majority of pollution.
…or AI.
No problem! Let’s craft a new Accord! They’re fun!
What room is there for anything with a negative budget?
Well, you see, it works like money. You go over budget and plan to pay later. Then, when you go beyond what you expected to borrow, you change the debt ceiling and borrow more. And then when you are beyond your ability to pay off the debt, you change the rules such that you can take a few extra decades. Keep doing this until you have kicked the can down the road beyond your anticipated lifespan. And then your grandchildren can just get fucked for all you care.
100% agree, but the worst side of the human condition is in control and they want to burn baby burn it all down.
Oh boy, I get to post my doom call!
If you live for another 50 years, you WILL witness the collapse of civilization. We have blown past every single warming-limit goal, and are not only continuing to warm the planet but are doing it at an accelerating pace.
Its getting warmer, and its getting warmer FASTER.
Very soon the major breadbaskets of the world will no longer be able to grow crops. As soon as the grain agricultural industry collapses, billions, with a B, will starve.
We are witnessing the end of modern civilization, which will end just as fast as it arrived.
That is just ONE thing that will collapse, not to mention the mid Atlantic ocean current that makes Europe liveable or the melting of the ice caps, raising sea level and stopping the circum polar current around Antarctica.
We are so irrevocably fucked. It is literally too late to do anything. Zero emissions from right now would still mean we are fucked.
Doomerism like this is not healthy. Things are dire and will get worse for a long time, but the idea that civilisation is guaranteed to collapse is the kind of doom propaganda that fuels inaction. There is so much we can do, and the outcome for future generations better with every positive step we take. What we do does matter, and there’s a good chance our core societies will still be going strong in 50 years.
the kind of doom propaganda that fuels inaction
And worse, the destructive “we have to exploit everything because it doesn’t matter anyway” attitude.
A ray of hope: Oil being expensive makes solar more attractive. Having an EV and home solar insulated my family against the daily hike in the price of a gallon of gas.
Yeah but only wealthy people like you can actually switch to EVs and solar. Most people can’t afford an EV, and if they can, most of the time they have no place to charge it as a lot of people live in rented apartments and not in their own houses. So the majority of people are powerless when the oil gets more expensive, as they literally don’t have an alternative and have to suffer the higher costs.
I just looked. The newest Nissan Leaf is $29,990 with a 300 mile range. That’s not too bad compared to the more popular Toyota rav4 @ $ 31,900. Its way better than I thought. I hear you on the plug issue but if you can make it work EVs are the way to go.
I agree but would add that collapse isn’t an absolute end in itself and to frame it that way is boss-level doomerism. Collapse is an unavoidable part of a natural cycle that signals the beginning of a new cycle. It is an opportunity to plant the seeds of something better and watch it grow. That’s not to say collapse will be easy, comfortable or harmless but we open ourselves to far greater harm by fearing collapse.
Maybe we can hope for a mini-nuclear winter!?
Honestly the replies of “if we can save a single life, our struggle will be worth it” are nothing if not funny in the face of the horrors to come, especially as their coming so we can collectively shove just one more burger in our faces.
Every passing day I get one step closer to just saying “fuck it” and becoming a hedonist while watching 90% of the world seemingly not give a single fuck about the future.
How come the crops won’t grow?
The areas where most food grows will be rather hot and dry, but with lots of storms.
Some years will get things like atmospheric rivers that flood everything.
Extreme weather events will be the new normal basically everywhere.
Widespread drought, aridification caused by said droughts, and the average increase in temperatures will disproportionately affect those countries that are in sub tropical/super temperate zones. Those countries are where a vast majority of our grain staples are grown.
We were never gonna get the carbon thing under control.
as A physics channel person as said, countries have largely abandoned global climate change for a while now. they are mostly going YOLO with oil now. plus there are subtle acts of undermining/sabotaging environmental activism for years, like funding “carbon footprint companies” so they dont have to reduce thier emissions, and funding “eco-activists” you hear in the news defacing public properties to incite ire against protestors.(mona lisa, gluing yourself to cars,etc)
Some science channels were called out for promoting these companies as a way of reducing your carbon footprint, luckily they stopped once they found out.
Not while we still allow psychopaths to be in control.
Not while we still allow them to be alive.
True enough. But even if we had gotten a magic benevolent dictator decades ago, the damage was already done. We’re just piling it on at this point. In some aspects, maybe a speed run into hell will work out better than a long braking. Better overall, but still a disaster.
No. The less carbon that is added to the atmosphere, the less severe the damage will be. Economic collapse will only increase the motivation to rely on cheap and dirty fuels, not to mention the incentives to cut down all the trees and exterminate all the wildlife.
Less total carbon. It’s morbid, but burning ourselves out faster ends up with a smaller number than if we persist in this. If you go with some assumption that economic collapse allows us to survive… well I guess you have a point.
That level of futility is counter productive.
Seems most things are. Just being realistic.
it’s not comments like these that are holding us back
…but the mindset is.
if we had gotten a solution years ago, we would experience a fraction of the effects.
Correct. Oligarchs are responsible for the murder of billions of humans. Absurd, disgusting, shameful… yet, wholly predictable.
