The worst and most stupid bit is this:
Speaking to crowds on Wednesday, vice president JD Vance said US allies are “suffering from this, frankly, more than we are.”
He claimed this was because they had “focused on a lot of green energy scams and they’re hurting a lot more than we are.”
Vance continued:"As much as we’ve got to focus on getting these gas prices down, the reality is overseas they’re feeling it far worse than we did because we’ve taken the steps to protect our energy economy.
Ironically investing in renewable energy and EVs is how Europe can increase its energy independence. It’s not like they can pump that oil from their ground.
I imagine this war will speed up this conversion even more.
This is what I’ve been saying as well. For ages now. However I was listening to pre election political debate with parties on TV and everybody just kept talking about oil, oil and oil. Nobody even mentioned alternatives or anything else at all. And we even have a prime minister coming straight from electric energy distributor. So I’m not putting too much fate here.
This is very good video to send to anyone who fell for it https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM
It addresses pretty much every argument thrown.
One of the biggest advantages to EVs is that they can can get their power from anywhere. And even if the current power generation is from fossil fuels, as that changes so does the overall carbon “usage” of the vehicles.
The difference is also striking when you just look at energy conversion from the fuel source in the vehicle. That EV is around 85% efficient overall at turning that electricity from the wall to movement. For a gas car, you’re looking at between 12-30% of the energy in the fuel tank being converted.
Exactly this. Thanks for mentioning it, i was listing it for exactly that reason, but I guess most people probably still think the only benefit is being environment friendly when it is also let to energy independence.
This is great video explaining common misconceptions: https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM
The main difference is that a modern battery has an energy density of about 0.7 MJ/kg or 700 kJ/kg, whereas gasoline has an energy density of about 45.7 MJ/kg. So, you need to pack in a lot more batteries to allow an electric car to go a meaningful distance. And, you’re hauling around all that extra weight all the time, even when the batteries are nearly empty.
The weight of the fuel tank is dwarfed by the weight of the engine, which can go from 100 (petrol kei car) to 300 (diesel) kg. The battery packs on modern EVs are still heavier, usually in the 200 - 400 kg range, but the difference isn’t as stark as fuel density alone might suggest.
Apparently an average fuel tank can hold somewhere between 40 and 80 litres. So, that’s up to (0.75 * 80 = 60) 60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy. If you wanted 2.74 GJ of batteries in your car, it would weigh about 4000 kg. That’s double the weight of an F150, or basically the weight of a F350, engine, fuel tank, wheels, etc. included.
Now, of course, nobody puts that much battery capacity into a car or truck.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car. ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense. Their range is very constrained because if you wanted to match the range of an ICE car you’d have to almost double the weight of the car in batteries alone.
Personally, I like mass transit and bikes. But, if I had to own a car I’d get an electric one. Still, I know that the major drawback to electric cars is that battery energy density sucks compared to gasoline.
The point is, it’s not an apples to oranges comparison when you talk about the energy efficiency of an EV vs. a ICE car.
Energy efficiency does matter because even if you are burning diesel to generate electricity, you can make power stations a lot more efficient than car engines. So shifting from ICE cars to EVs would reduce fuel use even in the absence of green electricity.
ICE cars are inefficient, but carry around a very energy dense fuel source and can go hundreds, sometimes thousands of km without needing to stop. EVs have much more efficient engines, but have to drag around really heavy batteries that aren’t very energy dense.
This is true, but like I said, the difference isn’t huge. An ICE car’s fuel + engine would be in the 100 - 400kg range, while an EV’s batteries + motor would be in the 200 - 500kg range. An additional 10% or so of weight is bad, but is outweighed by the at least fourfold increase in efficiency.
60 kg of fuel, which can supply 2.74 GJ of energy
‘Contain’, not ‘can supply’ 2.74 GJ of energy. At 20% efficiency, you’d need a 800kg battery to match.
It’s not ironic at all.
I was referring to what he said. He said that Europe has those problems because it prioritized renewable energy and EVs instead (what he implied) pumping oil (or that snake actually meant Europe getting its security by purchasing oil from Russia, which is the complete opposite of security)
Why are they allies when spoken to and treated like this?
To him they are not allies his allies are on the Bored of Peace.
Believe it or not there was a time before Trump.
And some day not too long from now, there will be a time after Trump. He has an insane amount of health conditions, and he’s the least popular president in living memory right now.
The question is if that will actually make a difference for the allies. They have shown how unstable they are, and that they are one bad president away from causing chaos for the whole fucking world. I’d hope there will have to be fundamental changes before that sentiment changes.
Biden dropped a ball by appointing Merrick Garland to not look like he is weaponizing DOJ (and MAGA still said he did). Had he appointed someone who had teeth trump right now would be in prison.
Sure, but Trump isn’t the problem. It’s the 30 or so percent of your country that creates Trumps and the other 70% too cowardly to throw a punch.
Fear.
America has few allies, if any.
Ey, go ally yourself, pal, arite?
They’re US allies, and they know Trump is an old, increasingly demented man sinking his entire political party.
For anyone who doesn’t know, the US is the largest oil producer in the world, more than double any other country. So that’s the reason prices aren’t going up as much as they may be elsewhere, but also what that means is that when we attack Iran us oil company stocks skyrocket. People pay more, billionaires reap, hedge funds reap, the military industrial complex reaps. War as a service.
Didn’t know WaaS was a thing. This timeline is just asS.
Let’s not forget all the Venezuelan oil that the execs said was to expensive to drill, higher price might just make it lucrative.
However, for the corporations that have to use oil instead of sell it, profits get eaten up by oil price rises. So this isn’t a simple benefit for billionaires. Some of them must be absolutely furious at Trump right now.
He missed his calling. He should be living in a trailer park with a yard full of weeds, broken toys and dog shit, a police record and a restraining order from his ex-wife.
Od from fent you mean
I think you mean restraining order from his couch
Yep, give loser MAGA some hope that they’re not the bottom of the barrel they really are.
This all just plays into the kind of people they are. “You’re suffering, but look at how much worse that poor asshole over there is suffering. Don’t you feel great!?”
I cannot even begin to parse how he thought any of those words were a good idea, let alone in that order.
This is genuinely one of the dumbest things I have ever heard a human being say. Not only is it ludicrously, hilariously wrong, but even if it wasn’t, why would that be a good thing? Why would you want to proudly declare how much you fucked over your allies?! Does he know what the word “ally” means? Do any of them know?
Because punching down is the American ethos. On a macro and a micro level.
Who is his target audience with this speech and why would this impress them?
The US has allies??
Not after this we won’t.
US does not have allies. US & Osreal created the Iran war, US can clean up the mess.
trump has, which is mostly PUTIN AND MSB.
Supposedly it has Israel, but they haven’t offered to send any help. Seems like that relationship just goes one way.
What does it help him when others suffer more? So USA is still suffering, but less? Great for them…
That’s the Republican’s whole shtick “Vote for us, we’ll make those people you don’t like hurt worse than we make you hurt”
That’s religions ultimate schtick: Suffering with the reward after you die. Enough zealots and fanatics and you can commit the worst atrocities the world has ever seen.
Yep it’s always the same story, accept your shitty situation while we sit atop gold thrones and super yachts. You’ll be reward in the next life, we promise 🙄
does he also have a brainworm now or is he just as dumb? Can he explain like in what correlation does the buildout of greenenergy make one more dependent on oil?
I can only assume the brain worms are being handed out like it’s season five of the Strain.
Because you need fossil fuels as feedstocks for everything material and physical? How do you fertilize crops with electricity?
Just because we use natural gas to make nitrogen fertilizer doesn’t mean we have to; you electrolyse water for your hydrogen instead and you’re off to the races
Using green energy for everything else frees up more fossil fuel for things that need it.
You realize please smart guy. Explain how you fertilize them with oil.
That’s actually how we get a fair bit of artificial fertilizer. With petroleum and natural gas byproducts.
https://www.ucs.org/resources/whats-wrong-fossil-fuel-based-fertilizer
That being said, organic fertilizers aren’t gone, it’s just more expensive and less damaging to the environment in the long term
JFC are you truly this pig ignorant about how the world works? Do you think the grocery store is a Star Trek replicator?
Why do you think there are EIGHT BILLION people NOW when we had renewable wind and solar since the ancient Egyptians?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution
UFOs or massive MASSIVE amounts of fossil fuel inputs??
Bro… What?
no, you dont need that. you realize, there is organic fertilizer out there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_fertilizer so basically creating fertilizer the biological way, looking at the organic food produce.
That’s what allies usually look for, suffering.
I’m pretty sure he thinks allies of the US are beta males that follow the US alpha male…
Stupid toxic masculinity and their constant attempts to cover up their weakness and insecurities by pretending they are ‘real men’. And ‘real men’ don’t have empathy. So they behave like self serving pricks.
Why do people vote baby brained bullies into positions of power?
Okay, I admit that I’m terrible at human relationships.
But even I know that if you ask someone for help and then gloat over them they’re going to be less likely to help you.
How are these guys this bad at this and still in global office?
How? Look at this generation of voters. Thats how!
They have the most access to information compared to any period of human history, and yet are demonstratably less factually informed and less humanly resourceful than ever before.
Social engineering by SOME gone wrong
Or right, depending on the objective.
They think they can bully all the other governments into submitting to their wishes, because they assume that’s how the USA has always been able to dominate the post-ww2 world.
They’re wrong. They do not understand soft power. They do not understand that US economic power is a mutual decision, and that we foreigners decided to allow the US its leadership because we benefited too.
They do not understand that military power has limits. They are unable to comprehend that they have severely weakened the USA as a world power, and given China victory after victory, and - maybe permanently - lost the trust of Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, and South Korea.
Yes, the ultra-conservative forces behind people in the administration like Stephen Miller and Russ Vought - ie the Heritage Society and associated organisations - have won a historic series of ideological victories over their hated progressive enemies. The cost, though, is that they have badly damaged the USA’s power to direct the course of international events.
For evidence of that, see Trump’s pathetic whimpering that none of the former friends of the US have turned up to help re-open the Strait of Hormuz.
He cannot see that the way we were keeping it open was by not attacking Iran. That was the reality. There would be no point in sending ships. You could only stop Iran by killing millions of Iranians, and losing millions of your own troops, in a ground invasion, and the example of Hezbollah and Gaza shows even that might not work.
It’s insane that he might do it anyway.
He so perfectly embodies the fascist ethos. You aren’t suffering, as long as others are suffering more.
I can’t tell if he’s incredibly un-American, or very very American.
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