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It’s called genocide.
It’s called genocide
That word is too large for anyone in maga to know what it means
I know. But the alternative is education camps.
If the stupid US laws don’t persecute this war criminal, international court should. There’s more than enough evidence.
Too bad the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, for obvious reasons
Worse, they proactively passed legislation authorizing the invasion of The Hague in case a US official was ever brought there for war crimes. Thank dubya and the 2002 congress.
Let them try
As an American there is nothing more I’d love too see than this but it’s never going to happen. The best we can hope for is a extremely painful death for him
He should be unalived.
Oh fuck off with that. You can say killed.
Persecute, prosecute; toMAYto, toMAHto
You forgot one,
Persecute, prosecute, execute
I forgot about Dre.
Nothing comes out when you move your lips but a bunch of gibberish
If I ever found myself saying “a whole civilization will die tonight if I don’t get my way”, I think I’d just kill myself. What an utterly disgusting thing to threaten. He is truly devoid of any humanity at this point.
By that point you might need the ghost of christmas past to show a younger you your future
Nah at that point the ghost of Christmas past would say fuck it and tell the ghost of things to come to just take his unredeemable soul from his mortal coil
I’ll only negotiate with the ghost of christmas yet to come
And when the ghost of Christmas future comes to visit and show him his tombstone, he will be unfazed because he cannot read.
He has a fucked up mind. The only thing he gets is getting his own way.
Over on /conservative it’s Biden’s fault he has to annihilate a civilisation
Lol what pathetic assholes
Openly and directly threatening genocide.
Civilization (noun):The stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced.
The definition Oxford Languages uses is:
“they equated the railroad with progress and civilization”
I hate to say it, but Trump used the correct definition of civilization in regards to his destruction of civilian infrastructure. It doesn’t imply genocide.
That’s not the meaning of civilization he’s using.
The Oxford Learners Dictionary you used also defines one of the meanings as
a society, its culture and its way of life during a particular period of time or in a particular part of the world
That’s the definition he’s using, and it’s definitely genocide.
Lol thank you for teaching that other commenter about how words can have multiple meanings.
Also, if you’re bickering about the definition of ‘civilization’ when you’re talking about what constitutes genocide, you’re probably committing genocide.
Infrastructure can’t “die”. He’s taking about people, their culture, and everything that makes them who they are. He’s not talking about bridges.
I had the same “well technically” thought at first but destroying that much infrastructure will result in some immediate deaths and mass casualties later. So maybe not technically genocide but in reality it’s close.
I’m not sure what my argument is exactly; I looked up the definition of civilization because I was bored and was shocked when Trump’s statement made literal sense.
But there are multiple definitions and he meant another one
He’s referring to the Iranian civilization.
Trump will nuke Iran, and the trolls on here will still insist Kamala would have done the same thing.
Trump has been itching to use the nukes since minute one. I can easily see him dropping one on a city in Iran, and then threatening to drop another every day until they surrender and open the strait. While that is absolutely horrific, the irony is that Trump is too fucking stupid to see that the “whole civilization” that will die is the U.S… The world will shun the U.S., dump it’s bonds and destroy the dollar. There will be hyperinflation, bank runs, chaos, and a hard splinter of the U.S. into factions and likely a “hot” civil war. Trump will make clear that all of the “fearmongering” from radical Islamists about the U.S. and the western world was true, potentially igniting world war. None of this will take away from the tragedy in Iran, which just happened to be the convenient target Trump the bully thought he’d punch down on.
I think what you’re describing here is the best case scenario (if he would drop one). The worst case scenario (the one I’m most worried about) is that other (adversarial) nuclear powers react to the US launching one by launching their own, aimed at either the US, Israel or (worst of all) somewhere unrelated, like someplace in Europe or on Kiev.
That is very much a risk. When chaos rules, it becomes very difficult to anticipate all the potential consequences.
oh yeah America would be bankrupted overnight
If he does, Israel will get so heavily nuked it will be a dead zone
Russia, China, Pakistan even India would be heavily impacted, all nuclear armed states
I can’t see this working out well for America’s greatest ally ever but won’t put boots on the ground
America desperately needs a military coup
If Israel gets nuked, it will do the Samson Doctrine, which is:
Nuke every nearby national capital, friend or foe.
Europe, Turkey, Egypt, fuck it.
That’s been their nuclear doctrine since they’d had nukes, which is roughly the 1970s.
BTW, they learned how to build nukes, in part, via stealing nuclear material from the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
The most insane thing about all of this is that Iran does not possess nuclear weapons.
But Israel does, and has for decades.
Trump is an idiot. The rest of his people vary from incompetent to simply evil.
I’d bet my life that the nuclear briefcase that Trump masturbates to every night is a fake. Someone in his circle has long since clipped the red wire to prevent him doing just that during a midnight Truth Social post.
Possibly, but its more likely that he just commits more warcirmes and further undermines American hegemony. The point of the far left in advocating for Trump was accelerationist; it’s that he would speed up the collapse of the American Empire. No one expected that this would come without a heavy cost. Kamala would have just delayed the inevitable by a few more years.
Geee shut up dude where did kamala come from
Well, Trump has to be someone’s fault, and if you don’t blame the leftists who complained about Kamala, then someone could end up blaming her, otlr the people who put her up, or kept Biden up, or even remember when people called Sanders the last off-ramp from the apocalypse. And we can’t have that, can we?
Trump isnt a fault, he is a true manifestation of whatever the US represents, whatever it has stood for and what does neo liberalism and capitalism leads to. Removing Trump wont solve anything, a decade down the line someone more deranged and unhinged will replace him.
I’m looking at the /r/conservative subreddit right now. Of the comments that weren’t removed (and there aren’t that many, that place is a partisan shithole and a comment graveyard), it’s just accusations of Iranian bots, claims that the Democrats are clutching at pearls, and mental gymnastics claiming that this is part of Trump’s playbook…
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
How many world leaders have you seen make vulgar and genocidal threats like Trump has over the last few days?
I can think of another one of the criminal, Bibi Netanyahu.
There is not a single genuine person commenting there. Bots and trolls all the way down.
Putin just threatened to Nuke Ukraine so… I guess the late night gossip calls got then both thinking in unison.
Russia was ‘threatening’ to nuke the collective West for ages, literally at least twelve years now. Mostly via other people though, Pu normally doesn’t do such ramblings himself.
However, Pu knows that bullshit sabre-rattling is different from actually doing things. With Trump, who ever knows what he’s thinking.
I’ve seen a good amount of people at least saying its a bad look for trump at least… some are still clinging on though… idk…
World peace through extermination.
“The bombings will continue until peace is achieved” is an actual quote from Trump
😂
I mean it would actually work, just not how people are thinking.
This is a pretty straightforward declaration of genocidal intent. If the Americans bomb civilian infrastructure, there is a credible case for accusing them of Genocide in the Hague.
EDIT: Historian Timothy Snyder also identified it as such, pointing that this creates legal liabilities up and down the American state: https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-president-speaks-genocide
There is but then what?
Iran continues to hit back, making us presence in the middle east untenable. israel is destroyed.
He’s going to nuke them ,almost the same words were used moments before the hiroshima bombing
This is the first time I think someone’s gonna drop a nuke and that it can actually happen.
If the pedohitler really drops a nuke, it’s gonna be over for Iran but mostly for the US. Dropping a nuke is basically admitting they have lost not just the war but their own society.
If a nuke is dropped it’s over for the world. Mutually assured destruction guarantees this.
No, the rest of the world isn’t just going to instantly nuke the US. If Iran gets nuked it won’t be via an ICBM but more likely a traditional aircraft or possibly ship launched nuke. Until it goes off it won’t look too much different from any of the other weapons being dropped on Iran. What it would do though is instantly turn the US into even more of a pariah than it already is. You’d likely see pretty much instant sanctions across the board which would tank the US economy, and might finally manage to get Trump impeached and convicted. Might even be able to convince the spineless bastards in Washington to hand Trump over to the ICC in exchange for lifting some of the sanctions.
One can dream.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though? It would certainly accelerate efforts to move to a new financial regime but it would still take years to accomplish.
Maybe mass dumping of US treasuries could be a feasible immediate option.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though?
The world has been gradually de-dollarizing for over a decade now. USD held as global currency reserves has fallen from 70% to 40%. BRICS nations are implementing their own payment systems based on the renminbi, and the eurozone obviously can operate independently already.
A lot of global value is tied up in US investment systems, sure. But a nuke drop would make that value not very valuable anymore. It would suck and the world would be stuck in another great depression, but the rest of the world has plenty of functional financial systems to keep moving on.
The move to a new financial regime would take as long as it takes a market to crash.
Theres every reason to think the Russians would consider a nuclear trigger-happy US an existential threat to them and launch a pre emptive attack. After all, the US (through Ukraine) launched attacks on Russia’s strategic bombers and Putins nuclear bunker which would have been considered suicidal during the Cold War
If a nuclear weapon is used all bets are off.
Preemptive attacks don’t work when they will nuke you back. This is the principle behind Mutually Assured Destruction.
MAD assumes the other side is rational. Trump is a lunatic.
First you said Russia, not the US, would do a preemptive nuclear attack. So this isn’t about Trump, it’s about Putin.
Second, Russia wouldn’t do it because of MAD. That’s the whole concept of MAD.
You’re making no sense, so I think I’m gonna peace out.
Not immediately with Iran, but even if it would be a singular nuclear strike without any reaction, it would cross maybe the only real red line that still exists in international relation; Russia might then use nukes in Ukraine, or China in Taiwan, even if only for the EMP or to sink a fleet of ships at once. It will cause a dam to break regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
I’m with you on Russia but I don’t think the PLA would consider nuking Taiwan. They ideologically consider everyone on the island to be Chinese and they also certainly don’t want to blow it to ashes just to have to rebuild it from scratch.
IMO the wind is blowing toward a political reunification where China takes it without a shot. The opposition party is already pushing that and the US is not a stable or reliable enough ally at this point for them credibly rely on if China actually invades.
Not on the island but if the US now starts using tactical nukes in Iran, the nuclear power China would seriously consider its own tactical nuclear use cases - after all what’s the value in being a nuclear power if it’s a forgone conclusion that you won’t use them. Doubly so should the US prove it’s willingness to use tactical nukes now, as China would then need to expect that nukes might be used against them too, should it come to a military exchange with the US over Taiwan. It’s mutually assured destruction, but instead of destroying cities with ICBMs you sink each other’s aircraft carriers with smaller nukes.
Regarding Taiwan itself, I think there would be valid use cases, especially for the massive EMPs given off by nukes detonated in the atmosphere. They can disable an army of drones and most civilian communication systems all at once, which seems like a very solid first strike move if you don’t want to destroy the country but cause enough disruption to allow an invasion force to land.
I’m not a military strategist though, so no guarantees on any of this.
They consider Taiwan part of China. They would see nuking Taiwan as nuking their own left hand. Very unlikely.
As I said, I completely agree regarding the island itself. I see that even the atmospheric use might be unrealistic there.
But if the US establishes that the use of tactical nukes is acceptable, I doubt they’d have the same qualms when it comes to ships or drones of the US Navy.
I don’t think Iran has nukes, and every other country will probably be very careful about dropping a nuke in the US. Maybe some rogue country would drop one to israel but I’m not sure this would happen becaues of MAD.
Russia is allied with Iran.
That doesn’t mean they are under their nuclear umbrella. Russia will not sacrifice itself for Iran
I think Russia would sell any ally to Satan for a single piece of bubble gum, if it felt like blowing bubbles. But they wouldn’t let the crisis go to waste either, that’s for damn sure.
But while Putin is evil, he’s not Trump-levels of dumb, so he understands the risk of going nuclear against someone Trump-levels of dumb.
Yeah, but he’s old too. Might want to do it before he dies.
They would not risk an escalation over Iran that would hurt the Russian heartland.
You misunderstand MAD. That applies between nuclear states. No one will be rushing to launch retaliatory nukes on Iran’s behalf.
Still fucked, and who knows maybe they have something capable of hitting Israel
Who would fire back? Iran doesn’t have nukes.
Iran can however launch everything they have at the gulf states and israel, destroying all of their desalination plants and oil production and basically wiping them off the map and turbofucking the global economy into something worse than the great depression. They’ve been holding back so far, but if they get nuked they may as well just pull the trigger.
Hadn’t considered that. Doubt Trump has either.
Now look up how much of the world’s fertilizer comes from the middle east.
I don’t know, maybe Russia, China and if there is mass global destabilization India, Pakistan, and North Korea could get trigger happy.
China has pretty clearly shown they are staying out of it. I also doubt Russia would fire at America over Iran. Although I’d wager they would nuke Ukraine given that the US just normalized it.
MAD is when the other country can nuke you back. That doesn’t exist here. (As far as everyone knows.)
Are fallout shelters going to make a comeback?
Will someone please help us remove him? Our people who are supposed to do it are too spineless to try.
Where are the international assassins we see in movies??
- Trump will again chicken out.
- He thought (or made to believe) Regime change in Iran will a walk in the park.
- Given the situation he is currently in, he just wants to save his face by any mean.
- Dropping Nuke is biggest threat he can think of.
- He don’t have the guts to follow it through.
- He will just extend the deadline, or declare himself a winner and left Middle East to its fate.
one would also hope the military would not follow such blatantly illegals orders… but my hope on that is dwindling
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/03/military-officials-ousted-retired-trump-hegseth They are purging people from leadership roles in the military.
Good people don’t join an imperialist army.
One of the House reps just put in a resolution to impeach Hegseth, so there’s that.
This is the man who wanted to nuke a hurricane. He’d love an opportunity to use that shit on people.
He will wake up tomorrow, and forget all about the veiled nuke threats he made a day before.
Tonight both US and Israel will likely hit harder (compared to what we already witnessed before), leaving a long trail of death (of civilians) and destruction of civilian properties and infras.
Tomorrow the pedo president will claim he sent Iran to stone age, and (again) proclaim victory in this war.
I actually think the guy is just old man wants to see war time stuff he thinks is tough happen while he is alive and thinks history books will really remember his name if he dropped a nuke.
He wants heaven and heaven to him is everyone knowing his name.
I suspect and more hope you’re correct.
Don’t forget to account for how fucking impulsive he is
Now I’m sincerely hoping it’s gonna be another TACO Tuesday and Trump wimps out at the last second like he always does.
How he hasn’t been 25th Amendmented yet is beyond me…
I for one am very thankful for our beautiful Democratic Party, which while all this craziness has entered a fever pitch, they have been loudly and boldly speaking out against this every minute of the day and not focusing on unimportant matters like trying to trash talk Hasan Piker and taking personal vacations to the beach.
Low key concerned he’s gonna try to use nukes tonight
Low key concerned he’s gonna try to use nukes tonight
Lets look at the repercussions of that;
Next day global stock markets drop to near zero, combine that with runs on all banks as everyone tries to get to cash at the same time.
All countries stop doing business or trade with US government and US companies.
All countries nationalize their own oil production and refuse to sell any to the US or the open market (if there even is one).
Global depression / famine follows lasting at least a decade, while other regional conflicts turn into full blown wars, dragging most other nearby countries into them (literal world war 3).
Im not sure why trump thinks threatening to destroy or nuke Iran will somehow stabilize the region or the globe, it will do the exact opposite
There are multiple accounts and articles indicating that orangeboi has wanted to throw some nukes around since the beginning of his first stint. And now all the adults and career professionals in places where they could stop him have been replaced with sycophants. So idk, man, feels like a lot more of a roll of the dice than it should be.
Also, why do people keep insisting that orangeboi is governed by any semblance of a rational framework? He’s not. He’s demonstrably not. Stop sanewashing this shit.
All countries stop doing business or trade with US government and US companies.
Not even a single country would do it. US is a bully that will never have any repercussions.
I really should start taking my PTO.
