It is being reported by The Free Press that in the meeting [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge] Colby told [the Vatican ambassador to the U.S.] Pierre, “The United States has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”
well the US has now totally gone rogue.
he United States has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world
There’s this thing with a strait that seems to suggest otherwise.
Stop questioning our all dear leader REEEEEE!
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq
America wins so hard every time.
Once, this was satire:
Invade pope, distract Iran
Now?
They should excommunicate Vance
Vlad Dracul solution is better
well the US has now totally gone rogue.
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They’re just saying the quiet part out loud now
Threatening the POPE is EXACTLY what Jesus would Do!
-Republicans who want the Bible to be Law!
Most of those Republicans are some flavor of Protestant, so it tracks
Also they think the Pope is woke
When the Constitution is out of the way, Prosperity Gospel will be the official religion of the United States.
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
Jesus (as written) would likely be very upset about a church that builds enormous cathedrals, hoards gold, has a corrupt “priest class” and has at times waged war.
Another thing to know about is that most of the Supreme Court justices are Catholics
You understand that magats are typically protestant right?
The vice president is (or claims to be) catholic.
Neat
Ackshually, what Jesus did to the first pope was take his eyesight:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9&version=EHVRead this is Bill Donahue’s voice from the South Park Easter episode.
On the matter VP Vance had this to say “I think it’s always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I’m not going to do that.”
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Nothing reasonable about pedophile protecting fascist JD Vance. Let’s not allow them to position him as a viable leader.
That can apply to ALL of them. In one way or another, they are depraved, corrupt, ignorant, stupid, traitors, or YES. You could make a drinking game that is paired with Cards Against Humanity, and everyone at the table will end up dead.
You must be to type of person who beleives B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in the US. /s
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Also the “If I have to create stories that’s what I’ll do.” (About this exact thing) Guy.
What a chode.
If I was the pope and meeting JD the couch fucker was in the agenda, I’d also decline. Considering what happened to the previous pope who met that turd with makeup.
Also, unless the meeting is on your own turf, how do you diplomatically refuse to sit on a couch that was there with JD before you got there? I don’t think pope training covers this.
Especially in the Oval Office: chances are non-zero that any seat you might take in the room has had either diaper breach, Crown Prince Couchfucker after hours, or both.
A guy who has to dress in white for the job has to think about these things, because if he sits on the wrong couch in the white robe, when he stands up again now it’s HIS story. So in the end it’s gotta be either “I’ll just stand, thanks,” or like you said, not go at all.
I dunno I think theres a vague quiet dignity to a politician who dresses like a clown or a heavily makeupped whore (no offense intended to legit prostitutes). All he needs now is a “I dont care, do you” coat to go full whore and I will give him a full dignity/self-awareness point and smallest ounce of respect.
So they threatened the pope of the catholic church with assassination… Thats some Israeli level shit. Is Trump even the president at this point?
Vance already took out the last pope.
let’s not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe
Completely understandable if you lose the will to live after meeting Vance
The Pope met Vance and realized that there’s no God, and died of a broken heart
Well he did catch JD and the papal couch in a comprising position. Its enough to fracture even the strongest hearts.
The last pope died shortly after meeting with Vance. Sure he had pneumonia (but felt well enough to take a meeting), but Vance could conceivably have had something on his hand that interacted with the popes diminished health. Its pure speculation of course, and no one can prove it either way and the timing is suspect, when you see them now threatening the current pope with assassination. Assassination just comes to their mind huh?
Vance doesn’t exactly look like the kind of guy who prioritizes washing his hands after a visit to the bathroom …or couch. Who knows what he had growing under those fingernails.
This is a huge story and I’m trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.
As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”
All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?
There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.
Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”
According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”
In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope’s senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”
I’ve seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn’t like what they heard,whatever it was.
According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope’s statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump’s policies.
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A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.
So when do prominent american catholics start getting excommunicated?
“Trump deports Pope” is on my bingo card.
the Pope is American but still seems like a playable option
It would be ironic if Trump does to the Vatican what he did to Venezuela, even after the US Catholic Bishops’ drive toward outlawing Abortion might have been the decisive factor giving Trump enough support to win both elections.
From what I’ve seen, there seems to be a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world. If the Republicans continue to antagonize the Pope, that would probably work in their favor.
You’re not wrong, but that’s not the way Catholicism works. People overplay the “infallibility” angle, but the bishops are supposed to listen to the Pope, that’s the whole point.
The logical end result of “a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world.” is either that the US bishops get in line, or we have a new Schism.
And I think this Pope knows it. The original Pope Leo is literally the Patron Saint of “defending against heresy”. He chose that name for a reason.
There’s the middle ground of enough bishops get fired to bring the rest inline.
You’re totally right about the fact that they’re supposed to follow the Pope, but they’re also throwing references to the Avignon Papacy.
It could also very well be a schism where you have the American cardinals declare the Pope is from their own ranks backed by the State while another is in Rome. We’ve already seen a superpower do this with Buddhism.
Maybe that’s Trump’s retirement gig, he’ll leave the Presidency and become Pope Donald the Lecherous
Too old and useless to go full Alexander VI, but yeah.
Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.
I’m almost surprised he’s no an expat at this point.
He literally is, what do you mean?
To add:
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.
Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat
They fucking hate when you call them immigrants though
Or LBH
Does threatening The Pope and starting a war with Iran disqualify you from retaining a gold plastic FIFA Peace Prize?
The fifa peace prize used to mean something
We need some Templars.
We’re gonna get a schism and the Church of America because Trump is basically Henry VIII but somehow even more disgusting
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I’m sure the historical Templars would’ve been so happy about somebody trying to copycat their style.
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“Did u even say thank you, pope?” -Vance
The mafia has more subtly and self control than anyone in this administration.
Organized crime is in bed with the administration make no mistake. They are junior partners, or in the case of organized crime in the service of certain nation-state actors they are controlling partners.
Just as an aside, when Steve Bannon was in prison, he hung out with the mobsters.
