If I am not laying on private property or in the entrance of a shop or something I can lay around whereever I want. I don’t really understand what OP is talking about.
In Canada, a very old arrangement dating from the creation of the country, says that navigable water is a federal matter. Whether it’s on the side of the ocean, a big lake, or a river, the water and anything below high tide is Crown “land”, and public. There are obviously exceptions and access by land can be controlled but not by water. At least not the beach itself.
It leads to weird situations, like a provincial park that can’t stop boaters from using remote parts of “their” beach. Or another where boats band together between some islands, and party and jetboat among kayaks and SUP.
But this also prevents owners of big houses around lakes to claim a part of that lake, or the foreshore.
We don’t have the right to roam in general here, with some exceptions for Crown lands, and it happens that bodies of water and rivers is Crown land.
Anyway, that’s how I understand this.
More of this country is crownlands than privately owned lands. Except for the National or Provincial Parks you can roam free without registration. There is no cell signal when you head out there, you need a sat phone or one way emergency beacon.
Blm land? National forest? Can lay around for 14 days straight.
The land billionaires are salivating to carve up, log and develop? That land?
We just can’t get a break from you guys, can we? Doesn’t matter what the discussion is about, it always gets turned into US political grievances. This is what’s killing this platform and making every sane person leave.
So glad you get to live in a world where you get to ignore politics. Also, I’m assuming you live in another country, and that’s why you’re frustrated things default to the US. So do I. I fucking hate that the US Empire has Earth by the balls, though that is ending (thankfully).
And unfortunately, anything billionaires do here is often a sort of trial run for other countries. These assholes (Tech Asshole Billionaires, Heritage Foundation and theocratic asshats, Trump and Wallstreet, etc) want to carve up this entire fucking world and enslave us, like full on chattel slavery. That is, those of us they haven’t sent to death camps. We need to do everything we can to stop this.
You might not be a leftist, so the term endstage capitalism may or may not mean anything. But we are living in those times, and a few outcomes await us. One of them being techo-feudalism and surveillance dystopia, or a better world where we break this shit apart. Either way, politics is quickly affecting every single aspect of your life, because these assholes want to privatize every single minutia of your life if they can.
Maybe one day we can sit back and ignore ‘politics’ (as they are defined now), but until then, I believe we have a LOT of work to do.
i mean, this post is explicitly political tho?
Yep, enjoy it while you can!
I disagree with the initial claim.
I can go sit just about anywhere without concern of being cited for loitering.
Not sure where you get this idea from.
Are you white?
TBF they might just not live in America. Never really seen “loitering” being a thing outside of that mistake of a country, or at least I haven’t seen it enforced and I’ve been everywhere in Western Europe (where one would assume these things are more enforced since they’re culturally closer, idk).
Yes its an american thing. I can sit where I want in my country, unless its blocking some entrance or something.
Its because in America, you are not a human being. Someone should have informed you.
Another thing ive seen in American movies - people are not allowed to park and sleep in their cars it seems. There is always some officer walking up and knocking on their window and telling them they cant be there. Seems to be another sign of America.
Yep, a lot of it is hostility to unhoused people, based on the myth that “they are all ‘psychotic drunk drug addicts’ that are horrible people”, hence why people believe they are (and deserve to be) unhoused. It’s why hostile architecture is so common and ingrained in the US.
Also, Racism of course.
It makes sense from the American culture point of view, that someone who makes money is a winner and someone who doesnt is a loser. Its a view of people that is pretty evil.
No, I’m rural in liberal territory.
I cannot think of a single place within 20 miles in any direction that is not indoors nor private property that any human being cannot be more or less indefinitely.
You can’t camp within like 250 ft vertical of the treeline. That’s off limits for protecting the environment reasons.
If you’re pulled over in a car I the side of the road, a state trooper may come to see if you’re ok. Our states troopers got a much better rep than our cops, and our cops don’t do too bad comparatively.
Acab, but know your enemy. It ain’t the outdoors.
Did the goalposts just move?
Nope. They’ve been this way since the 1700s.
Do you look homeless?
Not everyone can.
Those elements oft scorned by society who might otherwise be ticketed or jailed for sleeping at a park are treated closer to equal when sleeping on the sand.
Shoutout to Daniel Burnham and Montgomery Ward for keeping Chicago’s lakefront free and open for the people.
BS, and def doesn’t fit this group.
I’m very glad that my tiny east coast island believes in universal beach access. Although it is not yet illegal, I kinda lean towards wearing an all black pantsuit being some sort of citeable offense.
