This further illustrates how absolutely crazy it is to produce these devices for a single use and then just throw them away, not even making sure they can be recycled properly. It’s complete madness. I hope they’ll be banned soon, I think the EU is working on it.
They should absolutely ban disposable but as long as they’re smart about it and don’t try and make it a general vape ban. Anything with a microcontroller and OLED display should need regulation to be “disposable”. So fucking wasteful.
Vapes can and have always been something you can pop a battery and cartridge and custom juice in. There’s zero reason to make it disposable. Make the coil/cotton/juice cartridge disposable… Like a juul was last I checked? That’s reasonable.
And then next regulate how much nicotine can be in per ml. 60mg/ml is fucking insane. That is heart issue level of nicotine. I got buzzed off 12 mg/ml, used 3 or 6mg/ml regularly, and quit at 1.5mg/ml. There’s no fucking reason other than harm and addiction to provide 60mg/ml.
Germany only allows 20mg/ml, I didn’t know there were countries that allowed 60??? 😭
Du kriegst auch in Deutschland sehr leicht Vapes mit mehr als 20mg/ml, sind nur eben illegal. Der Schwarzmarkt für Vapes ist groß
Ja natürlich, die erste vape die ich geraucht hab war auch illegal und mit 50mg/ml, aber mich hat einfach überrascht, dass es scheinbar Länder gibt in denen so ein hoher Wert sogar legal ist
don’t try and make it a general vape ban. In some EU contries 10ml liquid costs more than pack of cigarettes, so they defacto banned vaping. how much nicotine can be in per ml. 60mg/ml 20 mg/ml is EU wide limit since 2025
The regulation provides that by 2027 portable batteries incorporated into appliances should be removable and replaceable by the end-user
Coming soon…
Disposable vapes are already forbidden, at least in France, idk if it is union wide.
But yeah, those things make no sense. The only thing with a battery that should be disposable would be fire alarm. Not because of the battery, but because the main sensor has a 10 years lifespan due to its natural deterioration.
I feel the same way about earpods.
Compared to a vape pen AirPods have insane life span. It’s still bad, but not even in the same ballpark as something you usually throw away in a week or so.
That’s fine for airpods but as someone who worked retail, there’s just as many $15 earbuds that break near instantly that have to be thrown away and never fixed. Those things have 3 batteries in them.
You can also have your dying AirPods replaced at the battery rate of $40 too. Still doesn’t strike the overall problem, especially since Apple doesn’t advertise that replacement.
yeah, no one ever loses an airpod…
oh wait
Not sure what you mean. Are you implying that because on occasion some people will lose an AirPod they are somehow worse than vape pods that are designed to be disposed of within days after first use?
people who like the concept don’t give a fuck about the environment, it’s just convenient for them so fuck it.
I’m sure you’ll justify it for yourself lol.
you don’t need them, you just like them, and don’t care that it’s created an entire new class of ewaste.
People lose phones more often, huge source of e-waste that we should ban first. In fact most people wouldn’t even have a reason to buy the earbuds if they didn’t have a phone in the first place.
People lose phones more often
something tells me they don’t just evaporate, never to be used used again, but resold.
hard to resell a single earbud.
“it was actually a PY32F002B, powered by a 24 MHz Arm Cortex M0+ processor. The chip also carried 24KB of flash storage and 3KB of static RAM”
To process a single button.
Well the PY32F002B (costing a few cents) even though it has a 32-bit (entry level) ARM core @ 24MHz is literally cheaper than older and less powerful microcontrollers.
Granted, if you don’t do anything else than react to a push button it’s still cheaper to use discrete electronic components than a microcontroller, but given that this device has a LiPo battery (meaning there’s battery control involved) and judging by the picture a USB-C connector, there’s probably a bit more digital logic in it, by which point a 3 cent microcontroller plus a cheap SMD crystal and some caps is cheaper than using discrete components.
The domain of embedded systems has evolved to the point that it’s the best option for almost everything in consumer electronics, mainly because at the lower end there are so many stupidly cheap and easy to use choices were you don’t run an OS in it but instead just a single block of single-threaded code directly on the bare metal accessing registers directly.
Temperature control, likely something to keep track of how much is left in the device, and I’m betting I’m forgetting something.
I doubt discreet electronics can cut it at that point.
Yeah, as per the analysis I did in another post, even a 555 and a couple of transistors to just blink an LED is more expensive than putting a microcontroller like this one there.
It’s crazy to think that this is basically more powerful than the Apollo Guidance Computer that got people onto the moon. It costs 3 cents, and we use it for shit like this and then throw it away. What spectacular waste.
that’s more powerful than my first computer
can it play Grover Teaches Typing?
Yeah, ZX81, 1k RAM lol
You don’t need a CPU at all for this trash
Yes, where “process” means measuring instantaneous changes in airflow as the user inhales (or doesn’t), and regulating a heating coil accordingly by running actual program code - which requires a controller to run it and memory to store it in. I mean when you click “Reply” on this page all it has to do is process one button, but that involves a lot.
Some of them have games like snake you can play in class on them. I mean that’s what I assume its for, any adult would use their phone.
All that logic is still a choice though. You could also just instruct the user to not press the button unless they’re inhaling and just actually have it be an on and of button. That’s how vapes used to work. Worst thing that could happen there is that you burn the wick, which is only a problem because it’s not serviceable.
There were couple series of: full lcd screen, bt connected to smartphone for notifications and a speaker versions. Plus the rechargeable battery and usb c charging port (obviously).
It was selling about 35 bucks.
Forgot the game one: had controller buttons and 3 games: pacman, tetris and a lying shooter inbuilt. With full lcd and speaker. (Thus wasnt bt connected tho) Price was similar.Forgot the phone one too. Or was it a phone “case” ?
Reusing them, even in small experimental projects, underscores a broader sustainability opportunity.
Bigger opportunity would be banning this shit.
outright bans just allow black markets to flourish. harm reduction and public safety campaigns would go much further
We wouldn’t be banning vaping, we’d be banning disposable vapes.
As someone who vapes quite a bit, I would genuinely love to see this. Disposables are an absolute shitshow and never should have existed in the first place.
why does a glorified heater connected to a battery need any silicon attached to it?
It’s probably cheaper and simpler to modify (say you suddenly want it to turn on when you click 3 times) to use a 0.1€ chip than to figure out how to do it and build it with discrete components.
20 years ago I was all “computer (chips) can do everything! We can use them everywhere! Replaceable, reprogrammable, fantastic!”
And no one cared.
Now they are everywhere and it’s just a fucking mess 😔
Maybe 20 years from now the EU will have forced standards onto everything and you can (again) fix your dishwasher (and start it from work!!1!).
probably more expensive to make different mechanical components when a simple chip does it all for cheaper. how ev are cheaper than ice cars,
In my mind, nothing with a circuit board is disposable. Pains me to see it.
There also has already been someone that made a home battery from batteries harvested from disposable vapes.
It is absolutely insane that these “disposable” vapes are legal.
they made it harder to get pods and liquid for normal vapes compared to these, and because most ppl by these they primarily stock them
I don’t get those pieces of crap. There were these fancy electric cigarettes years ago, using those 3.7V rechargeable batteries. Custom designs (saw lightsaber designs), custom liquids, repairable, no e-waste. What is wrong with people to use those crapsticks? And why do those dumbnuts don’t get that these things are e-waste not residual waste?
They are too lazy to refill a pod, and replace a pod - not even a coil.
They dont want to bother, and that’s too complicated and they would just loose it anyway - better to buy those throwaway ones.
These are the most common excuses.Instead of asking why people are buying disposables, ask why nobody is buying those reusable vapes. These disposable companies must be doing quite a few things better if people are willing to throw away money and tech.
Ads and influencers pushing them.
But can it run DOOM?
You can run Doom on a literal potato
But not on a Neo Geo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1-7c6WX10
TL;DW - the Neo Geo has a uniquely bad architecture for FPS games making them nearly impossible to get working on the console.
That’s being changed, however, as a bunch of determined devs are using raycasting to go around the console’s limitations, being heavily optimized to run SNK’s arcade titles.
I hope someone accomplishes it, even if it’s single digit framerate.
He updated the video a few hours ago saying that some genius accomplished that
Disclaimer: I didn’t actually watch the video, only saw the thumbnail on my feed
I have seen people run Doom on a pregnancy test, and you are telling me that the Neo Geo can’t run it!?
That video is a hoax. It’s a small screen inserted into a pregnancy test, cables run out the side which is never brought into frame.
It seems since I have made this post that a huge amount of progress has been made in getting DOOM running on the neogeo however.
The positive pregnancy test still runs Doom if you are a teenager or a dude with a mistress
Skyrim port for it when?
Right after porting Doom.
24 MHz Arm Cortex M0+ processor. The chip also carried 24KB of flash storage and 3KB of static RAM.
… a 10y old phone can barely load Google, and this is about 100x slower.
Wild that you can serve anything with that hardware. Granted, static websites are basically just sending files over the wire.
The 10 year old phone OS probably is slowing all of that. If they flashed phone as a dedicated webserver it would probably be fine
The webpage he hosted was a copy of his own blog post explaining the hack. It just about fit into the 20KB of available flash storage.
We can infer that on every request, the whole static page needs to be spooled out of flash onto RAM (in chunks no larger than 3k), then sent out over Ethernet.
That’s an awful lot of work for the chip. I’m not surprised at all that it errors out under heavy load. The request queue probably grows until it collides with the buffer that bucket brigades the web page to the network.
I’m afraid to look up what optimizations were necessary to get that level of performance. It’s damned impressive work.
Ah, but what if you string together 100 of these as a cluster? Now u get a whole 2Mb of flash storage!
The overall hardware package is in the same ballpark as an Arduino (25% less storage, but better processor and RAM), and people put servers on those . . . well, I won’t say “all the time”, but it isn’t an uncommon project, either.
I wonder if anyone’s ever bootstrapped Forth on one of these vapes—given that there are implementations <512b for other arches, it should fit—and then you could program on it directly rather than flashing machine code compiled elsewhere.
(The issue with 10-year-old phones on Google is that Google isn’t designed for low-end hardware anymore. It’s overloaded with scripts, styles, and other things that aren’t necessary for doing its job. Present a ten-year-old phone with a page with no client-side script and restrained styling, and I’d bet it would do fine.)
As a manufacturer/seller of disposable vapes, literally everyone wants refillable tanks.
Obviously the customer does too but we’re vertically integrated. We grow, extract, flavor, fill, and sell. Managing the logistics from China sucks and requires a decent amount of overbuying to ensure we have a steady stream. You never know when some orange retard will close up the border to x country that makes your stuff.
I’d love to just have a CoA of the distillate, flavor mixer like a coke machine, and a fill nozzle for the customer to hand to the cashier to fill.
What happened to vaping?
I specifically remember refillable vaping was exactly what you had when you vaped. You had the battery unit or a “mod” as it was called, on top of that you screwed a tank that had the coils, cotton and liquid, all that shit could be individually replaced and everybody had their own frankensteins combination of mod tank and other peripherals they liked to use.
Why did that stop being a thing in favor of these absurdly wasteful disposable pens?
Not sure what they’re implying about being forced to sell non refillable vapes. I bought a Centaurus kit (refillable) two years ago and they’re still selling. Though the same brand also has lines of disposables…
In reality the people buying disposables don’t want to deal with the hassle that is e-juice (and changing coils). But the modern refillables are pretty good at not leaking every time you look at them wrong, though in my experience the big ones still don’t like being upside down.
Yeah I’ve still got some of mine somewhere. I think the main reason the disposables took the market was partly that they are much cheaper, and partly that many people think they taste better. In my country the government has mandated that they be rechargable and have the flavour thingies replaceable, so they are, but they still seem to get thrown away a lot.
…commodified cannabis is garbage and distillate is hotdog water, though
At the early days we had just that. I bought vegetable glycerine, nicotine and some flavour we were set.
Ok here’s my billion dollar idea: vapes that already are web servers!
Ok here’s my trillion dollar idea:
SmartVape CloudBar. A range of premium smart home vaping devices that connect to (and depend on) the cloud so you can smartvape remotely (e.g. in the bed, on the job, or even when travelling).
Vaping, even locally, always works, unless your subscription has expired, there’s no internet connection available, or any of the necessary cloud service are down.
ಠ__ಠ
OK, but can it run Doom?
x86 at 25MHz could barely run it. This is ARM at 24.
When I was a kid we had a 386-33MHz with 4MB RAM, it ran Doom at about 1-2FPS. Upgraded to a 486 DX (66MHz I think?) and 8MB RAM and it ran great on that. It’s possible that the 386 would have been fine if we put more RAM in though, I think the biggest issue was swapping.
Set it to low quality and hit Ctrl+Minus until the window is the size of a postage stamp and it’s buttery smooth.
People got it running on a pregnancy test once, so…
To clarify, it wasn’t running on the pregnancy test, it was just outputting to one.
Came here looking for this question
Next up, turning these into AI web scraper bots!
/pleasedon’tdothis
Will it run OG Doom?
This is the new, “Will it blend?” question.
