Satan doesn’t do the punishing, God does.
The exponential scale is killing me.
Just as god intended.
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christian hell is just fire island and satan makes a mean skinny marg
One interpretation is that the denizens of hell actually punish themselves. They know their actions were evil and sent them there, and that they deserve the punishment, so they receive the punishment they think they deserve.
Jason Lee’s character in Dogma brings this up. He said that initially Hell was just the absence of God (which in itself is said to be painful), but once humans got there they were so unable to forgive themselves and live without the divine presence that they turned it into a place of unimaginable pain and suffering.
I don’t think that’s supported by the Bible and I’m not sure if that’s a position that was even put forth by later Christian thinkers, but it’s all mythology to me anyway and I find the different interpretations interesting.
I’m fairly sure it’s the interpretation Dante runs with in Inferno. I have no clue if it was the popular belief at the time, but it does show the idea has been around for at least 700 years or so.
So psychopaths get off scot-free
Satan just wants you to be yourself and be cool to everyone else.
I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
V Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Satan isn’t evil, he even turn Buu good. He’s the greatest.
Christians frame things as “All of the Christians are sitting here in one group, and all of the non-Christians are sitting over there in a different group.”
And that’s fine. It’s absolutely true.
And if God exists and is the creator of the universe, that’s pretty good for the Christians, and pretty bad for everyone else.
But if God doesn’t exist, then the Christians are just all together in a group that isn’t getting to enjoy their existence while the rest of the world is just trying to enjoy theirs, and the Christians are just trying to prevent those other people from enjoying their lives.
Either way, I’m surprised that the creator of the universe would organize things so that it would look that way from the outside.
The bible also says that god loves all creatures equally and since he created everything he should love every non-christian just as much as he loves christians. So why invest all the time if in the end, he loves you just the same?
He loves all people but hates sin. So if you’re a sinner, he’s not capable of loving you. Or something like that, idk, I stopped calling myself a Christian a long time ago for exactly these reasons. The god I was taught to worship would never even allow Hell to exist, much less send the majority of humanity there to suffer in never-ending torture.
That’s because it’s neither a points system, nor a corporate ladder, nor an auction, nor an investment account. It is a relationship. I spend time with whom I love.
Uno reverse card on Pascal’s wager
My favorite part of this post is people from different flavors of Christianity arguing completely different things using the same source.
If a masochist goes to hell he’s in heaven
I liked the jacaobs ladder view on demons.
A soul trying to cling to its old life will feel haunted but one that is at peace Will see them as angels.
Quoting top comment from youtube:
14th-century Christian mystic, Meister Eckhart:
“Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: ‘The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won’t let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they’re not punishing you’, he said. 'They’re freeing your soul. So, if you’re frightened of dying and … you’re holding on, you’ll see devils tearing your life away. But if you’ve made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.”
You don’t have to have a literal hell to know for yourself the truth of Eckhart’s insight! Tremendously deep movie.
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Satan didn’t give humans free will, God did. They were created that way.
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The fruit (not an apple) is the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God tells Adam and Eve not to eat from it or they will die.
The serpent (who is not Satan, simply a snake) convinces Eve and subsequently Adam to eat the fruit, basically telling them that God is lying to them and keeping secrets from them.
God subsequently expels them from the Garden of Eden for disobeying him.
Adam and Eve had free will all along, it wasn’t given to them by the forbidden fruit.
I like South Park Satan. That is how I choose to see it.
No, but you see, the Christian God is merciful. Oh, wait.
Who ever said Satan is punishing evil doers?
It’s some weird misconception that, like heaven, hell needs to have some sort of ruler. Naturally, the intuitive thing is to pick the mightiest entity in there and declare it the king, because that’s kinda how we perceive kingship. Aside from the fact that literally all the entities in there are convicts imprisoned by the final judgement, at which point there’s only one eternal king left:
It’s a fucking sea of fire, what the fuck are they gonna rule?
Oh I see. I was thinking BEFORE death.
I mean, if Satan is portrayed as the Lord of Hell, him punishing people that haven’t died yet makes even less sense.
Besides, the cases of people being punished for sin in life (like drowning damn near everyone, smiting Sodom and Gomorrah or striking down Ananias for a stupid lie) I’m aware of are still all God. If anything, the Serpent would be the tempter leading people to sin.
In some places (notably Rev. 12), Satan is the accuser. That would make him part of the sinners’ punishment in the afterlife (unless Jesus intercedes on behalf of his faithful). However, I don’t think I’ve seen that framing used much in popular depictions, and it still wouldn’t make him a lord of anything.
So I don’t know of any biblical source that would make any of the entities typically conflated with the Devil the Lord of Hell and the punisher of sinners
Yes. This is what I was thinking. Thank you.
isnt almost all his demons giving people deals too and its rarely him doing it.
It’s pretty metal to make the “most condemned” of all of them into the jailer.
There is a book called Waiting for the Intergalactic bus where god and satan turn out to be 2 energy based life forms who are students and were accidentally left behind on a class trip. Satan decides to ignore the prime directive and interfere with life on earth to pass the time. The torture in hell is strictly the humans idea, if I remember correctly.
Uh oh Deep, if you put more than five seconds of thought into your religion you might lose it. Remember any doubts you have about Christianity were planted in your mind by the devil to lead you away from God. They are definitely not your own rational thoughts!
God commands me to scold the homeless and ensure the starvation of poor kids.
Oh fuck that’s not god it’s just right wing christianity based policy who the fuck have I been listening to
