cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/49263187
Tim Sweeney claims it’s a “Scarlet Letter” which makes players “try to kill the game”
Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has criticised rival Valve for forcing studios to disclose when they use AI in game development.
Epic recently showed how it was integrating AI into Unreal Engine 6.
Time Sweeney said:
“If you want to launch a game, and get it as widely publicized as possible, you’ve got to put it on Steam so people can wish list it, and if you want to play it on Steam, then you have to get this Scarlet Letter of AI attached to your product, and now there is a hater community trying to kill the game.
“I think it’s really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn’t do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does.”
Which is totally ignoring the factor that the user should know about the purchase it makes and be able to decide for themselves. Transparency for the player is not a bad thing.
Fuck you Tim Sweeney. Valve is right for putting that info up so people can make informed purchases.
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I mean, they’ve been around for 35 years and they do something like 5 billion USD a year in revenue. I think they’re going to be fine.
I don’t necessarily want this iteration of Epic to be fine, but I’m sure they will be
And this, Tim, is why I spend most of my money at Steam.
This may shock you, but proudly parading that you want to fuck over consumers at every opportunity is not good incentive.
The more I read about Epic Games and their CEO Tim Sweeney, the more I dislike the company and the guy.
They give you lot of reasons to. For me it was a personal thing when I really started to hate Epic Games. 2019 Epic purchased the studio of Rocket League, when the game was in a hype phase and I played and enjoyed it very much on my Linux system. Shortly after they removed the Linux support for the game and then they also removed it from Steam as well. Due to an update of the game it was no longer viable to support it on Linux they said.
This really really bugged me on a personal level. Today I think the game is playable on Linux, I don’t know exactly. But it requires Epic Games Launcher and probably account on them. To me the game is dead. And Epic killed it (for me).
Yes! This is exactly why I too hate epic. They could throw a free game at me, I’d still buy it on steam. I have no intention of going where I’m not wanted.
And I was just getting good at rocket league
Sweeney doesn’t like games, he’s just into programming and game engines. That might help the disconnect between him and gamers.
The best thing about Tim Sweeney is that he consistently has the most wrong take on any issue. He’s like the Lou Gehrig of being an idiot.
right but look on the bright side, at least we have a useful idiot against google. speaking of that, did any good come out of that?
Technically, Epic won, but functionally it didn’t change much. And what they won didn’t help anyone else or the inherent structural issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Google
Super strong “If I told you who I really was you’d never have slept with me!” energy.
It’s called consent. If people wouldn’t want to engage with the content unless they were misled in some way then that amounts to manipulation and a violation of trust. Looks like Epic Games just told the whole world that they would lie to their customers if they felt like the truth would give them too much choice.
Fuck ‘em.
“We must do X at any cost to the user because others will do it and get the money”
This mentality has driven the games industry to become psychologically manipulative, subscription battleass and absolutely proprietary.
Maybe the irresponsibility is in ourselves for giving those game companies money.
I’ve done my part and closed my account. Those freebies were nice, but I’m not supporting that wanker.
Based and fuck Tim sweetney pilled
Not only the game industry. This is a widespread problem: greed.
Yeah, we need some government intervention, regulations and financial discipline to hold them accountable
Bitch-boy CEO whining about rival company that epitomizes everything he doesn’t have at every chance he gets, very typical behaviour just carry on
Tim Sweeney with a garbage take, seems like a normal day.
Sugar labels on food didn’t stop their sales 🤷
I don’t see it. Disclosure is always a good thing.
Some people care, and they should have the option to choose. Not be misled, ignored, or lied to.
Nobody loves you Epic Games, fuck off.
Tim Sweeney, the pedophile (protector) who insists that pedophiles aren’t using Roblox to commit pedophilic crimes by preying on minors? That Tim Sweeney?
He also says that stopping ai generated csam is “gatekeeping”.
Whenever I say this his apologists magically appear.
…gatekerping csam? Or gatekeeping AI?
Because both are rediculous statements, but for entirely different reasons.
Yes. Yes I do believe they are one and the same.
Another choice quote from the original IGN interview that this is from:
Sweeney: […] The only way that we can hope for new games coming into the market to be able to succeed when there’s so much Metcalfe’s Law at play and so many captive audiences in the really big games – you know, Fortnite, Roblox, PUBG Mobile, and a few other really huge ones – it’s got to be that those games get momentum by connecting to the economies in other games. I think that can really reinvigorate the market if people are constantly looking to new games and sources of new items that they can earn everywhere and be able to really easily move together with their friends.
Guy got talked into the whole blockchain NFT crap so hard that he’s still trying to make it happen, as if it was ever a desirable thing that the best way to get some kind of gear or cool cosmetics in game A involves playing game B instead.
If I’m understanding his comment, it doesn’t make sense at all. He wants people to discover new games…by playing the same big 4 games that everybody already plays, and aren’t unknown.
What?
I don’t even know where to start, to the point that I’m assuming I’m missing something here. Thats how little sense it makes. I’m at a point where the only logical conclusion is that I’m misunderstanding his statement.
Because otherwise…where do you even go from there? If you heard this guy saying these things on the bus, you’d just assume he’s mentally unwell.
He saw how big Roblox market share was and decided that he wanted it. That’s why Epic is integrating UE6 into the Fortnite ecosystem. All so he could collect his 63% from each sale (potentially more with UE6 fees). It’s not about making new games easier to find, it’s about becoming monopoly.
So they can’t not use AI because they’ll lose out to studios that do (not sure about that one but whatever) but if they do use AI no one will buy the game.
Pick one
It’s kind of the MAGA mentality.
Okay but we gotta use it. If we don’t use it we’re not cool.
If the game isn’t made by people, I wish it a very merry get fucked and die.
“Think of the game-devs needing to make money” says a fat cat talking about a tool forged from game-dev’s labour without compensation and disregarding any social contracts (i.e. copyleft software licenses).
“Think of the game devs needing to make money”
Says the former dev whose biggest success, Unreal Tournament, had little to do with Epic itself.
- Digital Extremes made the weapons and many of the default maps.
- Fan mods made most of the success of the first three games.
And Fortnite started as a Pubg clone.
Well, Fortnite started as Fortnite: Save the world, which is still alive and kicking. Battle Royale is the trash they made later.
