Not sure about grabbing that beer? You’re not alone. Americans are reaching for alcohol at record lows, according to a new Gallup survey.
The survey, out Aug. 20, found the number of Americans who say they drink alcohol sits at 54% for the second consecutive year − and health concerns appear to be a major factor.
“Fifty-one percent of U.S. adults now believe drinking one or two alcoholic beverages a day is bad for one’s health,” the survey results noted. “The figure is essentially unchanged from last year’s record-high 53%.”
In 2001, only 27% considered moderate drinking bad for one’s health, according to Gallup.
My docs have all begrudgingly accepted that I value enjoying my life more than I value longevity. I’m sure it makes them sad. But I don’t see this world / humanity suddenly growing a conscience during my time on this planet, so if I shorten my life a bit, I really don’t care. If anything, people will likely get dumber and make me not care harder and faster.
I’m there too. Being in the Southeastern US with all these people who hate everyone who are not like them and who also want to destroy everything certainly has made me reprioritize my own survival. Also, generally all the war and greed. Our species is sick. I’ll drink if I want.
drinking here and there =/= enjoying life
*to you
drinking 1 -2 beverages can or bottle a day it already significant raises your chances for diseases.
Any amount increases chances of disease.
I like a drink (obviously, as mod of the cocktail community) but would not consider one or two a day moderate, everyday drinking is heavy drinking, or at least habitual drinking.
Two or three a week is the way I drink. Sometimes one or none, and I take a month off at least once a year, never want to get into a habit.
I think these statistics have a bit of that going on with them. Now that weed is readily available in almost all of the US and people are more self aware due to their parent’s mistakes with handling alcohol, it would not surprise me if the statistics were not completely due to financial reasons.
Good. This is good.
I appreciate that more places have been providing mocktail options. I just wish they didn’t cost as much as real cocktails
If alcohol came out today, it would be illegal. It kills more people than all drugs combined. It’s terrible for you and 10% of drinkers account for 90% of all alcohol sales. I just wish I could stop.
Word. My Friday evening beer math:
I always try to stick to one beer. These days I manage to not exceed a couple.
You can stop. I won’t give unsolicited advice, but dm me if you want to talk about it
Yes alcohol, sugar and automobiles are the big killers that we seem to just accept in an “oh well” kind of way. We came a long way on smoking so I’m optimistic about alcohol. “Record lows” doesn’t impress me as a phrase because I know how high the historic highs actually were 🤣
Hollywood needs to stop using it in every fucking scene. Two characters cannot have a conversation with beers to scotch, no cop comes home without cracking open a beer.
I’ve noticed that recently too. I watched “Life in Pieces” recently and it’s like every other scene this family is drinking.
It’s everywhere. Latest season of Reacher has at least 5 scenes per episode of people drinking.
Someone dies, drink, someone is sad, drink, someone is happy, drink, someone is nervous, drink, two characters developing a relationship, drink. Hollywood writers have no other mechanism to convey emotions.
Two wealthy people cant have a conversation without pouring from a crystal decanter of scotch…CEO offices have a full bar and people drink all day. Even superheroes are drunks now.
And of course, every male over 50 is burned out alcoholic in TV and movies. What would happen if alcohol was not allowed on screen like cigarettes?
I only started this season of reacher, but that’s ironic given that in the books reacher has no interest in drinking and only ever would buy a beer to be polite or get information out of a bartender and even then he doesn’t really drink the beer
But in the TV show, a character cannot explain something to Reacher without going to a bar and drinking at 9am. It doesnt even make sense.
I believe in you.
I stopped drinking and it has been very worth the effort. It’s hard, but I believe in you
It isn’t easy at first, but the pivotal moment is merely wanting to stop. You may not believe it yourself, addiction has this way of convincing you that you can’t, but it gets easier with time.
It’s been three years or so, but my life has turned around so much it’s astounding. Highly recommend believing in yourself, and pushing through the tough days.
Stay kind to yourself friend
Keep wanting to quit, I think that’s the most important thing, keep the desire to quit alive. Especially when you stop. I’d put money on you pulling through brother!
You can do it, dawg!! It’s not something that can be done easily, but it can be done.
I’ve met a lot of wonderful people through this organization that has helped me immensely:
Thank you for this. I plan to share it with people in my community who want to quit, but are struggling.
I tried SMART meetings. I felt as if the people there had significantly worse trauma and alcoholism than me and it made me feel like since I wasn’t as bad as them that I should still be able to keep drinking. When I have stopped drinking in the past, focusing on what’s wrong with me doesn’t help me focus on the positives and moving forward. Everyone is different though.
I initially got a similar feeling at meetings that others had it significantly worse, but that just made me feel better that I was getting some help before reaching that point. Nobody ever makes me feel that I didn’t belong, though. The journey really is different for everyone.
I prefer SMART to guilt-based programs like AA since it focuses more on progress with a basis in science.
Why dont you stop drinking yourself and not outsource your decisions about your body to a brutal police state?
I am not tirelessly working to ensure you must be forced to drink every day, why would you do the opposite to me?
They don’t care if you live or die. They care about if their rich buddies are still getting your money.
Try GLP-1s or ketamine treatment
Maybe I will
Joke solution: Convert to Islam.
Serious solution: I have no idea.
I’d rather become a Buddhist and change my perspective which will eventually help me.
Outsourcing the choices you make about your body to a religion?
You can stop right now.
Edit: You guys are right. It’s better to resign yourself to doom and give up. I guess my case was miraculous. Self control wasn’t a factor. No one has ever quit drinking successfully.
The other horrible thing about alcohol compared to most other drugs is that quitting when addicted can kill you. In many cases special care is needed to ween, which is kinda a thing alcoholism doesn’t facilitate.
This is true. A medical hospital can assist but it will be straight drugs and monitoring. You’ll sit in a room with a TV and whatever books or electronic devices you bring with you. Outpatient support? Maybe. Probably not.
A mental health hospital will monitor you and provide the drugs to keep you out of danger. Little room time. No electronic devices. Group therapy. Exploration of why you’re drinking with some Coping Skills 101 training. Discharge plan to include outpatient support.
if you are a heavy alcoholic.
My sister was a very light alcoholic under 100 pounds – that makes it even worse believe it or not.
i think weight/fat ratio has to do with alochol toxicity, your fat absorbs more. your sister being light feels the effect more easily. or if you have a deficiency in the alcohol dehydrogenase.
That special care seems to be ativan, in my area. It’s not replacing the poison, it’s calming the neurological side - effects of detox.
Ativan is one step removed from a lobotomy in terms of damaging a patient to make them more manageable.
Everyone is aware there are steps they can take to get free of whatever substance they are dependent on. If it were as simple as that, addiction wouldn’t be the scourge that it is.
You think if I could, that I just wouldn’t? No. I have been trying for years and can’t. I may not get withdrawal symptoms, but the societal pressures and habits drive me back to it.
Only reason I still use Reddit is because of R/stopdrinking… my virtual little AA meeting whenever I want/need it.
I was a daily drinker for 10 years, and the last few were… well if I kept it to a fifth of cheap canadian whisky a day, I was “doing well.” 🙄 , I didn’t do well most days.
Anyway, I was sittin on the couch one day, thinking about string theory. about how our decisions create little offshoots of different realities, and I thought about the string where I kept drinking, and where it
mightwould lead.Went into the kitchen, poured out the handle I had in the freezer. I remember looking into the sky… it was so blue.
From then on I only used weed and shrooms. Shrooms for figuring out big stuff, going through traumatic shit from my past. Weed sometimes did that too. Have you heard of EMDR? it’s where you just sit and follow a light bouncing from side to side. Well I’d get real high, sit on my Marcy recumbent stationary bike, and play Mariokart on my old Nintendo 64. And shit, I swear that acted as a perfect EMDR machine. I’d be on there dissociating, thinking about shit, making major breakthroughs.
Anyway, this year I finally found the courage to face the trauma from my past, confronting my past abuser, then confronting my parents that ignored it… and you know what? went from smoking weed almost everyday to… not. Like at all. I just don’t feel the need anymore. It’s crazy. My life isn’t perfect, but it’s so much better it’s nuts.
I dunno. just my own story. Hope you get there someday, brother. I promise it’s worth it.
I wish you the absolute best moving forwards.
You don’t know how much they’re drinking. At a certain intake level, suddenly stopping can kill you. So just telling them “you can stop right now” is misleading and dangerous.
That’s not how addiction works.
IT’S FUCKING EXPENSIVE AND LETTUCE MAKES YOU SHIT TO DEATH NOW.
As a recovering alcoholic, I don’t understand this “it’s expensive” talk in this thread. Are you talking about drinking at bars and restaurants? Because I can get blackout drunk for less than $10, I promise.
Proud of you for recovery. Shit ain’t easy.
To the point of the original comment, I think it’s less “what can I buy to get drunk” and more “what can I buy that I can enjoy?” Which (going from memory here so somebody correct me if I’m wrong) with the trends of the younger generations leaning towards nicer liquors, cocktails/mix drinks and craft beers, as those get pricier the overlap of enjoy and pay for is shrinking.
If you are in recovery, it won’t surprise you to hear that alcoholics are often narcissists - the type who may center the whole world’s experience on their own.
The vast majority of drinkers aren’t addicts though (or are at least very high functioning addicts). They aren’t going to be drinking the same grain alcohol or gas station vodka handles that you’d use as an expert to hit your goal quickly and efficiently.
The decline being discussed relates to the fact that you used to be able to go to a bar or your dinner at applebees and get a few beers or some mixed drinks, even a couple/few times a week, without blinking, for the average person.
If you are in recovery, it won’t surprise you to hear that alcoholics are often narcissists - the type who may center the whole world’s experience on their own.
Just what the guy needs to hear!
It’s all throughout the first few steps of the program. Tells you to stop thinking you control the world and admit to yourself that it’s all bigger than you.
When folks are in recovery, you don’t need to tip toe around them - That was actually a big part of the problem when they were drinking.
And if anyone objects to that, they might want to look into al-anon themselves.
Yeah, but this is Lemmy, it’s not the 12 steps program and I am not tiptoeing around them, nor should the “ban” on tiptoeing be seen as an encouragement to be confrontational.
And nobody was taking to you or adressing broader Lemmy… This was a response directly to that OTHER person where YOU then felt compelled to interject yourself (funny when the topic is narcissism)
And it’s not “encouragement to be confrontational”, it’s a lack of that barrier when direct talk is warranted.
compelled to interject yourself
I’m sorry, this is a public forum for discussion? Everyone can comment and is encouraged to do so. You seem to have forgotten that, since you treat your original response like a PM. A bit self-centred, no?
You bringing up narcissism in first stanza of your reply to the person talking about money not mattering that much is a bit of a non-sequitur. “When direct talk is warranted” reads to me like the tough-love BS people like to reference when they are being paternalistic.
Ah, well. At least they can’t tax the air.
Polluted areas will have cheaper rent and cleaner areas we will be priced out of. So many dystopian tropes about this and I truly believe it will come to pass.
Yet
since everyone’s just telling personal stories about their alcohol preferences, I’ll go ahead and mention that I’m currently on a sangria kick. I’ve been trying different brands but it intrigues me because sangria is supposed to be made with cheap, sweet wine. I’ve found the local winery makes some of the best sangria i can find in stores. Once I’ve tasted enough I may try my hand at making my own.
It surprises me that a lot people think drinking alcohol is synonymous with going out to reataurant and bars. I’m here to tell you that you can also drink at home especially when company comes over or when you are the company going over to someone elses home.
The best Sangria I ever made was this one. I don’t even like sangria but this was delicious.
Thanks, I may give that recipe a try.
This is unambiguously good. I hope the trend goes on!
From 1997 to 2023, at least 60% of Americans reported drinking alcohol. The figure fell to 62% in 2023 and to 58% in 2024, before reaching 54% today. Prior to the most recent poll, the rate has been under 60% fewer than 10 times, including 58% in the initial 1939 poll and a one-time low of 55% recorded in 1958.
“weird” that usatoday leaves all this important information out lol. “record lows” still means half the population are boozers and the number was never much higher.
How did it fall from 60 to 62…
It was 67% in 2022, so it fell to 62% in 2023. It was never below 60% between 1997 and 2023, but then hit 58% in 2024.
Yea reading that made my brain divide by zero
I was just reading a thing about this the other day.
For decades, scientists told people that 1 to 2 drinks per day is better for your health than 0 drinks per day. They determined this by asking a ton of people how much they drank, and then asking about their health repeatedly over a long period of time. And they found what they called a J-curve. Basically when they plotted drinks per day vs health over time, people who had 0 drinks per day actually had slightly worse health outcomes than the 1-2 crowd.
So everybody agreed that light drinking was better than no drinking. This became guidance from governments, it got repeated on the news all the time, and it was a huge boon for the alcohol industry.
However, in recent years, scientists went back to take a closer look at this J-curve, and they noticed an obvious thing that wasn’t accounted for initially: some people who don’t drink have existing health conditions that prevent them from drinking. And some people that don’t drink are in recovery: they’d spent decades being heavy drinkers and just didn’t drink now. But damage had been done, and worse health outcomes were to be expected.
Once scientists started to correct for these cases, the J-curve disappeared. Not drinking at all was suddenly clearly the safest thing for longterm health outcomes. So that’s been the new guidance coming down from agencies and health organizations.
That said, the difference in risk between 0 drinks per day and 2 drinks per day is significantly less than the difference between 2 drinks per day and 5 drinks per day. It’s riskier than not drinking, but we do plenty of risky shit because it’s fun or easy or convenient. See: driving, flying, eating fast food, etc. So, yes, a complete ascetic chasing immortality may not want to drink, but for most people occasional light drinking is an acceptable risk.
Edit: Autocorrect-induced typo
So, yes, a complete ascetic chasing immorality may not want to drink
Either you’re missing a ‘t’ or you’re chasing immorality the wrong way.
Thanks, fixed.
Only one grammatical error/typo in a comment that long is way better than I could have managed :-)
scientists told people that 1 to 2 drinks per day is better for your health than 0 drinks per day.
One lab from one country, heavily promoted by the California wine industry. In Europe, this is confused with the fact that historically people drank weak ales because it was safer than water due to cholera.
Another scam with wellness influencers is resveratrol from wine -it does fuck all.
how much they drank, and then asking about their health
this kinda read as if they asked them about there health while they were drunk :) Would have made for an interesting curve.
Great insights thank you
Ethically because of the known dangers of abuse, no medical professional or organization should recommend alcohol consumption. It is NOT a safe drug to use by anyone’s level of evaluation. It runs a similar levels of risk as driving a car, another activity that no health professional should recommend.
That being said, for those that are genetically predisposed to heart disease and diabetes, the proper dosage and timing of alcohol consumption helps to regulate cholesterol and insulin. This is backed not by surveys which are prone to the errors you described, but blood draws etc. aka testable evidence.
Genetically 3 out of 4 of my grandparents had diabetes and 4/4 had high blood pressure/heart disease. So when my blood tests started coming back with screwed up cholesterol ratios and my blood pressure started increasing in my 30’s I read a shit ton of the scientific papers.
So I started having around 1.5 drinks per night. Within 1 year my cholesterol and blood pressure normalized. They have remained so for the past decade. My one glass of wine or whiskey after dinner is acting as a very enjoyable medication.
Anecdotal health stories are the dog shit of the Internet. You have no idea if alcohol affected those numbers.
I like wine with dinner, maybe a nice homemade cocktail on weekends. All this talk of prohibition makes me uneasy. Ban alcohol today, what will you ban tomorrow?
if they ban jenkem I’ll have to find a real hobby
…i should probably make it clear that I’m anti-prohibition, I’m just being silly here
Wow, I haven’t been reminded of butt-hash in awhile
While i generally agree with your sentiment, I don’t think the U.S. is going to do much anytime soon since they just legalized home distilling. Also homebrewing alcohol is exceptionally easy.
Cigarettes, vapes…
Books, movies
Books don’t harm your health and put a cost burden on society. Try reading one, it’s safe, trust me.
I don’t drink booze, because it seems like an expensive habit. I don’t got any friends nor go to bars, so it is likely going to be a miserable experience. Also, one of my parents was an absolute boozehound, and certainly not someone to be respected. So I avoid alcohol, because I don’t know what kind of person I would be.
It is just disadvantages all around, with no upside for me.
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When it comes to American society at large, I suspect that capitalism is the root of why alcohol use is dropping. Third spaces are going extinct, budgets are tighter, time is limited, and work demands greater effort to make ends meet, and most people lose their childhood friendships as adults. The opportunity to enjoy booze is dying.
It’s pretty easy to tell you are in a room of people having fun and enjoying themselves. The last time I enjoyed going to a bar was in March of 2020. It is nothing like it was before. Prices are sky high, and the average bar is still relatively empty, in comparison dead, and the energy level is pretty non existent. The age mix skews much older than before.
For busy, packed bars that have lineup in the streets, the age is much lower, prices are even higher. After waiting in line, which feels absurd since there are so many empty bars even across the street, everyone seems most concerned with updating their social media allegedly having a good time. The DJ is there, music is loud, but the patrons aren’t.
So have a couple drinks, spend 100 bucks, and wake up with a headache. Yeah, it’s shit.We are also in a pure surveillance state, everything we do is recorded so it is risky. What used to be a gaffe could be a career ending viral moment today.
Conversations with strangers is now the worst, complaining about rent, prices of everything, Trump, late stage capitalism, immigration , woke is destroying the world, libtards, investing in gold, or actually more enjoyable - an inebriated 60 year old with intentions, that constantly repeating themselves like an llm with 2 messages of context history. Until they finally make their move you see coming like a train wreck in slow motion.
And finally, the alcohol companies have lost control of the narrative, like tobacco, they spent heavily on funding studies that found alcohol has health benefits (in some amount) and rained legal threats on anyone saying what has been known for decades:
Alcohol consumption causes cancer.
This is in addition to what everyone has known forever, even moderate consumption often results in injury from falling or assault, get in a car - death (of other people), and while men don’t usually think about it, sexual assault.
It’s all a buzz kill.
Alcohol causes more than cancer, it’s behind most liver diseases and it’s a potent neurotoxin.
I think COVID-19 lockdown changed the path. Some people drank way too much during lockdown and decided it had become a problem or lost the taste for it. Then there is the disruption of how we socialize created by the lockdown. Before 2020, “meeting up for drinks”, going to bars, and eating at restaurants where the default adult form of socializing. The lockdown forced us to find other ways to socialize, or just deprioritize socializin altogether. Once you break the inertia of a default behavior, it’s difficult to start it up again. IMHO.
Covid accelerated my drinking. Still haven’t come back down
My wife completely quit late 2023 because the lockdown and some following things pushed here deep into alcoholic level drinking. I quit as morale support. I think what lockdown did was highlight our tendency towards problematic drinking. You seem to be aware that yours might be an issue. Whether you do something about it or not is a different story, but you seem aware.
If you do decide to quit, I wish you the best of luck. My wife turned to constant excercise as a coping mechanism because just stopping and doing nothing else was not doable. Seriously, good luck.
Yeah I mean I drink a good amount but not sure if it’s a “problem”. It doesn’t impact my day to day or anything like that. But as you said, with the exercise bit, that’s when I find I do most of my drinking. Bored. Watching tv. Etc.
It didn’t affect my life either. I would have a drink or three (one beer, two whiskey, or vice versa) while playing video games or working on something in the evening. Or even just sitting outside in the nice weather.
But then I started seeing shadows jumping or flicks of light out of the corner of my eye, which apparently is a symptom of alcohol withdrawal. (I wouldn’t get the classic ones like shaky hands or racing heart the next day unless I actually went out drinking all night.)
As I mentioned in another comment, quitting didn’t really help me feel any better, like improve my sleep or my memory. But I guess I didn’t want to wait until it actually had a major impact on my life. So I put the can I’d just finished in the recycling and haven’t had one since.
I do the same as your first paragraph. I’ve never seen shadows and shit. That’s wild, I didn’t even know that was a thing! As far as I’m aware I don’t have any withdrawal symptoms so far 😅
At least you were able to recognize and overcome it.
I don’t even like it for getting buzzed. I just like the taste haha. I started buying NA corrona. Cure for the itch, without the alcohol.
Yeah apparently it’s your body trying to compensate for the depressant effects by producing extra stimulants. Same reason your heart races and your hands shake, but in your brain/eyes.
NA stuff tastes just the same in my opinion, which is good, but I enjoyed getting buzzed so I don’t drink NA stuff too often. Only if I’m out at a bar or whatever, and fortunately most places have NA stuff in stock now.
I agree with most of what you said. For me however, Covid was when I learned how to mix cocktails. I figured out a very simple drink I like and now I have 2-3 mix drinks a week, almost never more than one drink per day though.
My secret ingredient is St. Germaine, thank you to The Expanse for introducing it to me!
Also, who has money for $15 beers. If going out means spending more than $50 it’s not worth it. And the dating scene is trash so most male singles I know are avoiding traditional meet up spots like the plague.
Restaurants are in panic mode. Without booze profits, most of them will go broke.
Restaurants, Strip Clubs, and Pawn shops are the first business to be impacted by a depression
Also in addition to what you and others said, I wonder if realizing why liquor stores were essential businesses put some people off from drinking as much or at all.
If you find it hard to reduce, check out the Sinclair method to cut down or quit over time, with a medication an hour before a drink. Understand the chemistry of our brains and how to use for good. Lots of NA options now too that can help but watch out for replacement drinks with added sugars that hurt the liver too. Look up which treatment options work best based on the data and which might work for you.
If you want to join a group, look for ones that use researched-based what helps people with addictions the most and avoid conditional belonging with forced words/thought. Look for groups and people in life that use Sagan’s baloney detection kit to analyze problems and possible solutions based on verifiable data, not supernatural threats or promises of rewards later for suffering now, which high-control systems use to hijack the brain.
I was shocked when I visited a moderately sized to maybe small US city and had a drink with a friend to find out the bill with tip was $45. No wonder Americans aren’t drinking.
